Liberals Using sexist Card via Stronach

[Figleaf]

this once was an interesting exchange, but since the admin has chosen to act in a way that alienates bona fide participants I have removed it

Edited July 28, 2007 by Figleaf

[blueblood]

I certainly think Peter Mckay should have watched his tongue about Stronach. Calling her a dog is not good PR for the Conservatives. But I also think the liberal reaction was sort of out of this world. And its things like this that make me leary about supporting liberals. Somehow calling Belinda Stronach a dog became the ultimate sexist remark in the liberals minds. It was even equated with "discouraging women from entering politics in the future". Something of that nature. McKay called Stronach a dog, not all women. As far as I know, there are alot of people who don't like Stronach out there, and most of them are not her ex-boyfriend. I think the luberals should stick to the real reason for demanding an apology. Belinda Stronach was offended by being called a dog, not all women. How does this really relate to all women? And when the media gave a little attention to her affair with Tie Domi (and it wasnt all that much really), which you have to expect since she is a public figure, she said that was sexism too. Isn't that a little bit ridiculous?

Someone else may already have brought this up in this very lengthy thread, but my first thought upon hearing about this was, even if MacKay did allude to Stronach as a dog, MPs throw insults at each other in the House (and out of it) all the time. The only difference now seems to be that it's okay to throw insults at male MPs, but not at females. So, this appears to be simply an instance of women like Belinda screeching demands to be treated equally, while all the while expecting to be treated differently.

I like this post, this is what I like to call TRUE equality, something that seems to be disappearing in today's society. I brought it up in another thread, the get laid one.

"Is this some kind of a joke? Peter Mackay doesn't owe her anything, he's allowed to say what he wants. That's like saying an MP from rural Canada is a backwoods redneck. What's even the point of him apologizing, it's not like he's going to mean it so it won't hold water. when any person goes into parliament getting a cheap shot levelled against you is common place, a person should expect that and being a woman shouldn't make you exempt from that, don't take it personally and level one back, it's not like Peter hasn't had a cheap shot levelled against him. I thought it was an amazing burn myself. Peter Mackay shouldn't deny what he said that's not cool, just admit to it and be done. I personally don't care about "looking or acting professional" in my eyes being a professional is actually getting the job done. Peter Mackay can be the biggest sexist bastard around, but if he does a good job I'd rather have that than a mr. nice guy whose utterly incompetant. If I were Belinda I'd be on Duffy going Woof Woof and make Mackay look even stupider instead of looking like a big suck."

Yah i know its a little harsh and boorish, but I look at things this way, if a guy and girl are both working in the field all day clearing some land, they both have the right to lay on the couch and watch TV and relax. But if the guy and girl each break their machines which results in damage, they both deserve to get in supreme shit from the boss, and by supreme shit I mean getting screamed at and insulted just like a cadet at Depot by his/her drill corporal.

[M.Dancer]

And when the media gave a little attention to her affair with Tie Domi (and it wasnt all that much really), which you have to expect since she is a public figure, she said that was sexism too.

Not much?

http://news.google.ca/news?sourceid=navcli...sa=N&tab=wn

Results 1 - 10 of about 689 for stronach domi.

[M.Dancer]

A couple of months ago my wife referred to her as a slut.

ummm...so?

[jefferiah]

689 results is nothing. how many results would you get for clinton and lewinsky? avril lavigne and that dude she married? any other newsworthy story?

[jefferiah]

When ever there is evidence of an affair bewteen public figures there are going to be news stories dancer, whether they are male or female? I am not saying its right, but Stronach expects special treatment. When it happens to her its because of a sexist double standard? When she is insulted by a male it must be sexist too. Peter McKay calls Belinda Stronach a dog, and Belinda declares herself the figurehead of all womanhood by saying that he has demeaned women altogether. I think she is a bit out there, myself. Who really thinks "Stronach is a dog" equals "I Peter McKay think all women in politics are dogs". Thats ridiculous. C'mon now.

[jefferiah]

Its not unlike Oprah banging on the window of a closed store in Paris, and then saying later when they would not allow her in that its because she was black. Cmon. Sure there is racism out there, and sexism. But you won't help the problem by abusing the race or gender card in situations that have nothing to do with it. Women who have experienced real sexism should be more angry at Stronach than any man, for making herself out to be a victim when she is not, and millions of real women are.

[M.Dancer]

When she is insulted by a male it must be sexist too.

when the insult is sexist yes. When it is gender neutral, no.

....anyway, I think we can all agree MacKay is an idiot with less integrity than a dog

[M.Dancer]

689 results is nothing. how many results would you get for clinton and lewinsky? avril lavigne and that dude she married? any other newsworthy story?

Good question. run along and find out...but be sure to search under "news"....don't need no my space or some blog.......

[jefferiah]

How is calling Belinda a dog sexist?

[M.Dancer]

That's a stupid question. How is calling a woman a bitch sexist?

Do men get insulted on their looks?

[jefferiah]

The term bitch usually indicates a female who is naggy, witchy, mean, etc. To call someone a bitch is not sexist. It does not mean you think all women are does it? Think about it. Asshole is exclusively an insult toward males. It doesnt fit with a woman does it? Just doesnt sound right. But just cause its a gender indicative term doesnt make it sexist. If you call Peter McKay an asshole no one is going to call you a female chauvinist,

[M.Dancer]

The term bitch usually indicates a female who is naggy, witchy, mean, etc. To call someone a bitch is not sexist. It does not mean you think all women are does it? Think about it. Asshole is exclusively an insult toward males. It doesnt fit with a woman does it? Just doesnt sound right. But just cause its a gender indicative term doesnt make it sexist. If you call Peter McKay an asshole no one is going to call you a female chauvinist,

To call someone somethimg that generally refers to a woman, ain't sexist?

Thinking woman are meant to be whores is sexist.....but it doesn't mean you think all women should be whores.........

I'm not aware that asshole is gender specific, considering even the queen has on........

Calling straonach an asshole would not have been sexist.......

[jefferiah]

Oh Cmon now....and this is considering that Mckay used the word bitch which he didnt.

[jefferiah]

"She" generally refers to a woman too. Is that sexist?

[Wilber]

The term bitch usually indicates a female who is naggy, witchy, mean, etc. To call someone a bitch is not sexist. It does not mean you think all women are does it? Think about it. Asshole is exclusively an insult toward males. It doesnt fit with a woman does it? Just doesnt sound right. But just cause its a gender indicative term doesnt make it sexist. If you call Peter McKay an asshole no one is going to call you a female chauvinist,

To call someone somethimg that generally refers to a woman, ain't sexist?

Thinking woman are meant to be whores is sexist.....but it doesn't mean you think all women should be whores.........

I'm not aware that asshole is gender specific, considering even the queen has on........

Calling straonach an asshole would not have been sexist.......

How about prick?

[jefferiah]

Good example Wilber. And anyways I have been called a lot of worse things than "dog" by many people in life, and I didnt whine and flaunt some sort of minority status, or victim status. Sure she is a victim....of an insult.....specifically aimed at her, not at women in politics, or women in general. I dont think it was very nice of McKay to do so and I think he should admit it and apologize. But to take this whole dog comment and turn it into "this shows what conservatives think of women" is a pretty big leap. The comment shows what McKay thinks of Stronach----end of story.

[M.Dancer]

The term bitch usually indicates a female who is naggy, witchy, mean, etc. To call someone a bitch is not sexist. It does not mean you think all women are does it? Think about it. Asshole is exclusively an insult toward males. It doesnt fit with a woman does it? Just doesnt sound right. But just cause its a gender indicative term doesnt make it sexist. If you call Peter McKay an asshole no one is going to call you a female chauvinist,

To call someone somethimg that generally refers to a woman, ain't sexist?

Thinking woman are meant to be whores is sexist.....but it doesn't mean you think all women should be whores.........

I'm not aware that asshole is gender specific, considering even the queen has on........

Calling straonach an asshole would not have been sexist.......

How about prick?

fair point.....and of course you can call either a cock sucker.....only for one it may be a term of endearment...

[Wilber]

fair point.....and of course you can call either a cock sucker.....only for one it may be a term of endearment...

Why only one, are you a homophobe?

[jefferiah]

So far Stronach has suffered "dog" and news reports that she had an affair with Domi, which no one really cares about anyway, except maybe Domi's wife. I mean I am conservative and the affair with Domi is not what makes me think she is so terrible. I dont think it is a good, but I know lots of men in politics have affairs too. The point is when it was reported about, she called it sexism. The news will report about any sort of affair. Especially when it involves a politician...male or female. Is it our business? I dont know. Maybe not. But they would do the same thing to a political male figure. In Stronach's case though its apparently sexism. Does male chauvinism exist today? You bet it does. I know it. You know it. We all know it. But Belinda Stronach is using it to divert attention away from herself or to gain political ends. I mean really, someone refers to you as a dog to a third party. Oh my goodness, she is in pain now. Thats sexism. My goodness, Belinda, you poor thing. If she cant handle something like that she shouldnt be a public figure. Or actually maybe she could be a very successful one, because there is a form of eliminating all political opposition that is more powerful than the force used by totalitarians like Stalin. All you have to do is continually display yourself as the victim, and then turn your political adversaries into oppressive Nazis. It doesnt matter what the truth is as long as you gain your political ground, right? It works too because people are fooled by it, though I find it hard to believe. Like the female reporter who yelled at Mckay "I am not a dog!". Did anyone hear him call that reported a dog? He called Belinda that. But this reporter obviously bought into the assertion that calling Belinda a dog means he was calling all women dogs. Cmon, really, answer me this, was McKay calling that reporter and all women dogs? Did he ever say anything to the effect that women should not be in politics?

[g_bambino]

When she is insulted by a male it must be sexist too.

when the insult is sexist yes. When it is gender neutral, no.

....anyway, I think we can all agree MacKay is an idiot with less integrity than a dog

Only a woman can be referred to as a dog in an insulting way? Strange... I've heard many women call men (and that's men, plural, as in all men) dogs - in real life, on television, etc. Such behaviour is tolerated from them, so why is MacKay being singled out as the most evil man on the planet for possibly referring to only his ex as a dog, in the House of Commons, where politicians personally insult each other all the time.

I can only wonder how silent the reaction would have been if the insult had been thrown the other way.

[blueblood]

yep typical Liberal Canada thinking all people are created equal some more equal than others. Puhlease

[g_bambino]

yep typical Liberal Canada thinking all people are created equal some more equal than others. Puhlease

Well, I'm not sure it's indicative of all Liberals, but it certainly is duplicitious.

Wondering further on my point above, perhaps if Belinda had thrown the insult Peter's way the reaction wouldn't be silent, but rather, would be met with approving laughs, cheers of female empowerment, and calls of "you go girl!"

[MightyAC]

yep typical Liberal Canada thinking all people are created equal some more equal than others. Puhlease

Well, I'm not sure it's indicative of all Liberals, but it certainly is duplicitious.

Wondering further on my point above, perhaps if Belinda had thrown the insult Peter's way the reaction wouldn't be silent, but rather, would be met with approving laughs, cheers of female empowerment, and calls of "you go girl!"

The insult would have been met by the same faked outrage no matter what sex or party the sharp tounged idiot belonged to. As has been said before the only reason this story has any legs is because MacKay is too stuborn to apologize. If he had, nobody would be talking about it anymore.

The fact that he is so stuborn definitely plays into the hands of Belinda though. She has been trying to rebuild her political image as a champion on women in politics. Pete's little outburst helped to hasten her makeover a smidge.

[M.Dancer]

When she is insulted by a male it must be sexist too.

when the insult is sexist yes. When it is gender neutral, no.

....anyway, I think we can all agree MacKay is an idiot with less integrity than a dog

Only a woman can be referred to as a dog in an insulting way? Strange... I've heard many women call men (and that's men, plural, as in all men) dogs - in real life, on television, etc. Such behaviour is tolerated from them, so why is MacKay being singled out as the most evil man on the planet for possibly referring to only his ex as a dog, in the House of Commons, where politicians personally insult each other all the time.

I can only wonder how silent the reaction would have been if the insult had been thrown the other way.

Calling a man a dog means he's with it....as in You D-dog.....or morris I saw you last night with those 3 ladies ...you're the Horn-dog!