Argus Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Okay, first, IF McKay said what he is alleged to have said I'm sure it was spur of the moment, but it was also kind of dumb. But so what? All this hyperbole and self-righteouness from the Liberals, particularly that moron David Mcguinty - whose only claim to fame is a lying sleaze of a brother who is premier of Ontario (and represents the same riding provincially) led the pack of outraged Liberals demanding McKay apologise for allegedly suggesting his ex-girlfriend was a dog. The speaker didn't hear it. The electronic speakers in the House didn't hear it. Hansard didn't record it. But no matter, it's a NATIONAL CRISIS! Talk about making a federal case out of something. If Brainless Belinda had any dignity she'd have ignored it. Instead we get treated to the pathetic display of her all over the airwaves lamenting how the guy she screwed over is being mean to her. And, of course, she and Chow Chow, Layton's elected girlfriend, who coincidentally has also been called a dog, used it to lament the sad state of female representation at the federal level, and how the Conservatives, of course, hate women. Gee, do you think whining at your ex-boyfriend calling you names is maybe not the best way to prove how much more mature and dignified female politicians are? Coincidentally again, Belinda only has her job - not to mention the clothes on her back, because of daddy, whlie Chow Chow only has her job because of hubby. Such an impressive representation of the capability and self-reliance of female politicians! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jdobbin Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Coincidentally again, Belinda only has her job - not to mention the clothes on her back, because of daddy, whlie Chow Chow only has her job because of hubby. Didn't MacKay win office on the name of his daddy? Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Didn't MacKay win office on the name of his daddy? A big difference than winning because of Daddy's chequebook. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Figleaf Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Okay, first, IF McKay said what he is alleged to have said... He said it. It's clearly audible on the CPAC video. But so what? So it was dumb to say it, but MUCH dumber to deny it. ...that moron David Mcguinty... Caution: That comment is against the forum rules. The speaker didn't hear it. .... Hansard didn't record it. So what? If Brainless Belinda... Another breach of the rules. You're cruisin'! ...the pathetic display of her all over the airwaves lamenting how the guy she screwed over He dumped her. Because he couldn't stand her having opinions of her own. Gee, do you think whining at your ex-boyfriend calling you names is maybe not the best way to prove how much more mature and dignified female politicians are? The whining is no worse than the name-calling itself. ... Chow Chow only has her job because of hubby. Her first name is Olivia. Are you ignorant of that, or do you find it funny to mock Chinese names? P.S. I'm not leftwing. Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 He said it. It's clearly audible on the CPAC video. Uhhh, the only thing that is "clearly audible" on the tape is MacKay saying. "You have her." So it was dumb to say it, but MUCH dumber to deny it. He denied calling Stronach a dog. He never did and this nose-stretcher about the "You have her" quote is pretty weak. Caution: That comment is against the forum rules. You aren't a moderator. Not your place to enforce the rules. Another breach of the rules. You're cruisin'! You still aren't a moderator. Still not your place to enforce the rules. P.S. I'm not leftwing. OK. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Argus Posted October 21, 2006 Author Report Posted October 21, 2006 Okay, first, IF McKay said what he is alleged to have said... He said it. It's clearly audible on the CPAC video. If that's true how come the Speaker - a Liberal - and his clerks can't hear it? If Brainless Belinda... Another breach of the rules. You're cruisin'! Oh come on. This girl hasn't accomplished anything in her life despite all the advantages, has no education, and in an age gone by (not very long ago either) she'd have been called an adulterous whore. ...the pathetic display of her all over the airwaves lamenting how the guy she screwed over He dumped her. Because he couldn't stand her having opinions of her own. I don't think we ever got what he said/she said there. She secretly negotiated with the Liberals to switch parties and never told him. Did she expect them to go on seeing each other? Was she astonished that he wouldn't? Or did she drop him along with his party in her ambition for a job she was supremely unqualified for? Gee, do you think whining at your ex-boyfriend calling you names is maybe not the best way to prove how much more mature and dignified female politicians are? The whining is no worse than the name-calling itself. Yeah it is. Because the namecalling was one of those sudden, spur-of the moment things that (assuming it happened) he probably regreted ten seconds later. But appearing on political talk shows to sadly lament how your mean old ex-boyfriend called you a name is just pathetic. ... Chow Chow only has her job because of hubby. Her first name is Olivia. Are you ignorant of that, or do you find it funny to mock Chinese names? To be honest I find it freaking hilarious that CBC would put together two women who have been compared to dogs on the same show to protest how mean and disrespectful Tories are (actually it was a Liberal that compared Chow to a dog but she carefully did not point that out). P.S. I'm not leftwing. You're a crypto-commie pinko fag lover Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Figleaf Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 He said it. It's clearly audible on the CPAC video. Uhhh, the only thing that is "clearly audible" on the tape is MacKay saying. "You have her." McGuinty's comment is readily audible too. Caution: That comment is against the forum rules. You aren't a moderator. Not your place to enforce the rules. Sez you. The rules are clear and my browser shows me a 'Report' button, so presumably I'm invited to use it. (I didn't, however.)) Quote
betsy Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 ... Chow Chow only has her job because of hubby. Her first name is Olivia. Are you ignorant of that, or do you find it funny to mock Chinese names? Wasn't it a prominent Liberal guy who referred to Chow as "Chow-Chow?" Or something doggie about her name? It was said by Tim Powers that Liberal Coderre had referred to Ambrose as a "potted plant." Anyway, I've got a Chinese name....and puhleez...let's not turn this into a race thingy. Quote
Figleaf Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 He said it. It's clearly audible on the CPAC video. If that's true how come the Speaker - a Liberal - and his clerks can't hear it? Dunno. I heard it. If Brainless Belinda... Another breach of the rules. You're cruisin'! Oh come on. This girl hasn't accomplished anything in her life despite all the advantages, has no education, and in an age gone by (not very long ago either) she'd have been called an adulterous whore. Which changes the forum rules not at all. She secretly negotiated with the Liberals to switch parties and never told him. She told him the night before it went down. Did she expect them to go on seeing each other? Why not? You're a crypto-commie pinko fag lover How very mature. Quote
Figleaf Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 ... Chow Chow only has her job because of hubby. Her first name is Olivia. Are you ignorant of that, or do you find it funny to mock Chinese names? Wasn't it a prominent Liberal guy who referred to Chow as "Chow-Chow?" Or something doggie about her name? I was refering to Argus doing so here, just now. Quote
Argus Posted October 21, 2006 Author Report Posted October 21, 2006 Oh come on. This girl hasn't accomplished anything in her life despite all the advantages, has no education, and in an age gone by (not very long ago either) she'd have been called an adulterous whore. Which changes the forum rules not at all. What if it's an accurate description rather than an insult? You're a crypto-commie pinko fag lover How very mature. You commies are so uptight. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Figleaf Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 What if it's an accurate description rather than an insult? I'd be surprised if Greg were to use that criterion. You commies are so uptight. Oh that hurts a lot, coming from a compulsive masturbator. Quote
sharkman Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Uh, Figgy, is that the best you can come up with? A low brow sexual reference? I know it's the end of the week and everyone's tired, but creativity is a gift one must use or lose, my lazy friend. Perhaps you should try again. At any rate, Belinda is just someone who's politics and principles have a price. The Libs paid it and now she is on the outside looking in. Her strategy to wrap herself in the feminist flag was tiresome since she herself is such a poor example of a principled woman, abandoning Peter like she did, over her love of power. This is will blow over like so many items that do on a slow news day. Quote
Figleaf Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Uh, Figgy, is that the best you can come up with? A low brow sexual reference? I Think it's funnier than 'commie'. Quote
geoffrey Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Oh that hurts a lot, coming from a compulsive masturbator. Now that is definitely a violation of forum rules. -- Until I hear the comment, I'm unwilling to pass judgement. I honestly can't hear it. I'm not a huge Mackay fan, I'd be fine with the criticism, but I honestly can't. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
Ricki Bobbi Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 The rules are clear and my browser shows me a 'Report' button, so presumably I'm invited to use it. (I didn't, however.)) Maybe you didn't use it because you were busy doing something else.... Oh that hurts a lot, coming from a compulsive masturbator. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Argus Posted October 21, 2006 Author Report Posted October 21, 2006 Uh, Figgy, is that the best you can come up with? A low brow sexual reference? I Think it's funnier than 'commie'. But commie was on topic. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
August1991 Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 I can't believe that this incident is attracting so much attention. (And here I am posting about it.) It reflects badly on both the Liberals and the Conservatives (or at least McGuinty and Mackay). Reading a G & M article, I see this: Linda Trimble, chair of the political science department at the University of Alberta, called Mr. MacKay's comments "unduly personal and mean-spirited."Prof. Trimble, who specializes in Canadian and gender studies, said the remarks demonstrate the continued need for an organization such as the now-defunct Association of Women Parliamentarians, a group dedicated to cleaning up language in Parliament as well as to issues such as daycare. She said she was heartened by the reaction of MPs who criticized Mr. MacKay and brought the incident to the notice of the Speaker. Nonetheless, harassing remarks are too often tolerated in legislatures across the country, and those who utter controversial remarks often receive little more than a slap on the wrist from the Speaker, she said. "... those who utter controversial remarks often receive little more than a slap on the wrist from the Speaker, she said." In a parliament! Someone uttering controversial remarks! OMG! This is the raw face of political correctness. In a different time, this professor would have been a high priest or theologian who would have imposed the righteous will of God. They are only words. It is false to assume that you can make people change their opinions by forcing them to use different words. ---- This incident will disappear from the headlines in a few days. I'll note two points: when Stronach took up with Domi, Tories and most of the Rightist media didn't inject a moral angle to their comments (when of if they said anything at all). Why does the Left invoke morality in its criticsms? This is one aspect of politics. Whenever Belinda Stronach seems to appear on the stage, there's melodrama. Quote
jdobbin Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 This incident will disappear from the headlines in a few days. I'll note two points: when Stronach took up with Domi, Tories and most of the Rightist media didn't inject a moral angle to their comments (when of if they said anything at all). Why does the Left invoke morality in its criticsms?This is one aspect of politics. Whenever Belinda Stronach seems to appear on the stage, there's melodrama. Actually, the right wing did attack her on the Domi thing. Radio and newspapers had a field day. And yes, it was a moral angle. That is the angle that right often attacks the left on. And the melodrama is Peter MacKay. He can't leave this alone. Seems Stronach has moved on. I don't know that Stronach is popular with women but it seems Conservatives are not popular with women. And yet the right continue their attacks on Stronach. It seems petty. Makes the Conservatives look like a jealous ex-boyfriend. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Talk about blowing things out of proportion. He made a witty insult towards an ex-gf whom burned him for political gain. She's not a dog, he was wrong....dogs are far more loyal than her. Quote
jdobbin Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Talk about blowing things out of proportion. He made a witty insult towards an ex-gf whom burned him for political gain. She's not a dog, he was wrong....dogs are far more loyal than her. Another sexist remark. Who broke up with who? And it does it matter? The Conservatives have turned this into a morality play. Quote
Drea Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Peter needs to grow up. Belinda should've stated "Yes I am a bitch -- a bitch to watch out for!" With the music (I forget the band) I'm a bitch I'm a bitch and the bitch is back oh oh oooooh That would've been great! All in all I'm really glad this has happened. More women's votes for the Liberals comin' atcha! Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
August1991 Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Actually, the right wing did attack her on the Domi thing. Radio and newspapers had a field day. And yes, it was a moral angle. That is the angle that right often attacks the left on.Dobbin, you seem to have missed my point, or perhaps I wasn't clear enough.I quoted a university professor who for some reason has decided to get up on stage and start arguing with actors. She has used a moral tone in her comments. That link motivated my post. I don't recall any equivalent comment about Stronach's behaviour. Did we hear at the time media or professors specifically say that we should police such behaviour in the future? Political correctness is the modern religion and certain Leftists are its high priests. Quote
jdobbin Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 Political correctness is the modern religion and certain Leftists are its high priests. And moral indignity at a woman leaving her man is the Rightist argument here. It's no wonder they are losing the female vote. Quote
August1991 Posted October 21, 2006 Report Posted October 21, 2006 All in all I'm really glad this has happened. More women's votes for the Liberals comin' atcha! There's no doubt that Belinda Stronach and are others are milking this incident for all its worth. Like many moral pronouncements, they hide self-interest behind a so-called higher good. They're probably as surprised as anyone on how much mileage they're getting.But the Liberals are making a serious mistake here. They're playing the man, not the ball. The Democrats in the US have made the same mistake too. The scary, scary, extremist Harper meme doesn't work. Quote
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