Whites being evicted from Vancouver Korean owned plaza

[M.Dancer]

I was under the impression that one cannot refuse to hire, hinder or whater. because of race, creed or colour, national origin, sex, etc. etc. think this one comes under race, creed and colour.

Correct. No one can say...I refuse to rent to a black because they are black. Racists will usually come up with a dodge....like they don't fit the financial criteria......my favourite is restaurants who refuse to serve someone and they say it;s because of the dress code......

.........I don't shed a tear when these places get a molotov thrown at them

[cybercoma]

Sorry August, I refuse to allow you to be a tenant in my strip mall because you're french. It doesn't fit with my vision for the plaza.

What, but you've been in this mall for years?

I don't care, you're french....and a french business just doesn't fit in with my "anglophone" theme I want to get going.

But you can't afford to relocate?

Not my problem, you're french...get out.

[Michael Hardner]

Side note for Auguste...

Geez, I dunno. I haven't seen many Korean hockey players in the NHL

Then you don't know the story of Richard Park the South Korean born player who, while living in Southern California, begged his father to let him move to Canada to play hockey. Richard eventually made the OHL, in that very Canadian city of Belleville - playing for the Bulls. He was drafted by the Penguins, I believe and is currently with the Isles.

[Hicksey]

The Libertarian in me says that freedom to choose is the best policy.

I agree whole-heartedly.

A racist is a racist is a racist. I, personally, would avoid the place and tell everyone I know about it so they could too. I would go as far as drive 5-10 miles out of my way to avoid the place.

I don't care who is the benefactor or the victim. A racist is not worthy of my business.

I wonder how legal it would be to take out an ad in the local newspaper backed up with quotes urging others to do the same?

An easy position to take as long as you personally are not the victim of racism.

I got one for you. Brampton, ON has almost exclusively become a Muslim community. The same type of racism whites were the perpetrators of in generations past goes on there against them.

If a white guy bought a strip mall, refuse to renew the leases of the Muslim operators within it so they can provide a haven for people of his own race to operate in that municipality, and proceeded only to lease to whites, there would be outrage like nothing else. It would likely make the front page of just about every newspaper in the country and we all know it.

I would drive out of my way to avoid that place also. In this day and age there should be NO preferential treatment based on race. Everyone should be treated equally. There should be no policy to hold back nor to prop up anyone based on race.

[M.Dancer]

I got one for you. Brampton, ON has almost exclusively become a Muslim community.

Talk about begging to have zero creibility........

Okay, lets see the numbers.......

[M.Dancer]

In Chatham.....3.53% is considered exclusively muslim

.....bah

[Michael Hardner]

I got one for you. Brampton, ON has almost exclusively become a Muslim community. The same type of racism whites were the perpetrators of in generations past goes on there against them.

If a white guy bought a strip mall, refuse to renew the leases of the Muslim operators within it so they can provide a haven for people of his own race to operate in that municipality, and proceeded only to lease to whites, there would be outrage like nothing else. It would likely make the front page of just about every newspaper in the country and we all know it.

I would drive out of my way to avoid that place also. In this day and age there should be NO preferential treatment based on race. Everyone should be treated equally. There should be no policy to hold back nor to prop up anyone based on race.

I'd like to see the numbers on that as well.

Also, let's not confuse what people pay attention to with what is fair vs unfair.

The mall tenants might have a valid case, and they can persue that. The question of fairness is how the case gets resolved, not what coverage it gets.

[Hicksey]

In Chatham.....3.53% is considered exclusively muslim

.....bah

I never said anything about where I live, not did I make a claim about it.

I am a truck driver. I have been about everywhere in Toronto, have friends there, experienced the place personally as well as professionally when I lived in Oakville, ON. I have friends that grew up in Brampton and know it first hand. That is why I used it as a basis for comparison.

All I said was that I'd be as offended at the white guy who did the same thing as our Korean exemplar in another circumstance.

How does "Talk about begging to have zero creibility........" ??

[M.Dancer]

I never said anything about where I live, not did I make a claim about it.

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How does "Talk about begging to have zero creibility........" ??

QUOTE(Hicksey @ Oct 18 2006, 11:58 AM)

I got one for you. Brampton, ON has almost exclusively become a Muslim community.

Religion

Some 67.78 percent of Brampton claimed various Christian denominations. The largest was Roman Catholicism (35.11%), followed by various Protestant denominations Anglican, United Church, Lutheran, at (27.96%), while the remaining numbers of Christians (4.70%) consists mostly of the Eastern Orthodox rite. Other religions with a notable presence include Sikhism (10.63%), Hinduism (5.43%), and Islam (3.53%). More than 10 percent of the population have no religion. [5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brampton,_Ontario#Religion

[Michael Hardner]

Morris - are you saying that 3 or 4% doesn't meet the threshold of exclusively Muslim ?

[M.Dancer]

Absolutely...to be exclusive the % should be over 6%

[mikedavid00]

I would drive out of my way to avoid that place also. In this day and age there should be NO preferential treatment based on race. Everyone should be treated equally. There should be no policy to hold back nor to prop up anyone based on race.

I know. It's scary to see some of these viewpoints the liberal majority on the forum. The majority of people here are supporting racism and discrimination.

If the store owner wins this case, this sets a new standard of racial segragation. I guess the new housing developements should develop houses for whites only and the strip malls down the steet will be for whites only.

The fundamental of being a far left liberal is to be a hypocrit, and mostly, to be self hating and self loathing pathetic soul of a human who lives in a bubble.

I have never been proved wrong with my facts one single time on this forum. (mind you I barely post). Most of these people commenting are in a bubble, low income, possibly unemployed, and feel that our country needs to be a controlled by a higher power such as themselves.

For instance, I can prove point blank that we don't have the job creation numbers to support our current immigration numbers. This has been proven over and over.

A self loathing lib will ignore the numbers and sats, go into a deep thinking theory about why we need it, and then ontop of this, treat immigrants as kings and first class citizens while a life long tax payer as myself who sponsor them here financially (provable) get pegged as the second class citizen - this is self hatred.

Canadians on this very forum hating their own citizens, and their own country, and their own lives. However, someone who is here who is not working, getting free money, and has no desire to speak English or get our citizenship somehow gets placed above a Canadian like myself and I am the wrong one here.

Fact is, you libs need to take a look in the mirror and ask yourself why you hate yourself and your country so much. Air America failed in the US misserably because Americans didn't want to tune into the radio station each day and hear about how terrible their own country is. That same thing is happening here. That's why I don't post much.

Here we are on a forum, a 25 YEAR leasee paying taxes with a succesful busines gets thrown out of his lease based on his skin color only to be replaced by another insurance company that is Korean owned. This is racism and discrimination plain and simple. We all know it.

But to actually defend and support these people is a real shame not only for yourselves, but for us as a country. Today they anounce that the Convervatives and libs are neck and neck at 32/32 in the polls today. To think that 'Canadians' are backing a party that doesn't even have a leader is insane to say the least. And with several candidates already involved in scandals? I mean come on.

No wonder we are sinking and sinking fast.

[Rue]

And where is the story that says these people were asked to leave the strip mall because of their skin color. What if the owners wanted stores selling Korean goods only?

I believe you have stated it quite nicely. This was never about skin colour. If the store owner was selling things that catered to Koreans no one would give a hoot what colour his skin was. This is business and anticipating trends and who the market or audience is and catering to them is what it is all about.

In Spadina in Toronto the area used to be Jewish. Then it became Chinese. Then Vietnamese came and so on. Does this mean its racist because populations come and go and neighbourhoods change and business people want to cater to the prevalent majority at any given time? Of course not. Businesses change as populations change.

I think it comes through loud in clear that someone is trying to hide behind a b.s. arguement about racism to try codify or disguise or hide his own resentment to immigrants in general and Koreans more specifically.

What you gonna do next... burn some crosses outside this mall to protect the white race? Give it a rest. If you think this is the pretense you need tomake it respectable spread resentment towards Koreans or immigrants get real. Whether you hide behind a pointed hood or codified references to immigrants its transparent as hell.

Y'all be sure to write back now next time some other coloured gets you hot under the collar. Yeehaw.

[Michael Hardner]

The fundamental of being a far left liberal is to be a hypocrit, and mostly, to be self hating and self loathing pathetic soul of a human who lives in a bubble.

I have never been proved wrong with my facts one single time on this forum. (mind you I barely post). Most of these people commenting are in a bubble, low income, possibly unemployed, and feel that our country needs to be a controlled by a higher power such as themselves.

Mike, I don't think you read everything in the thread.

You're confusing what gets coverage and what is 'fair'. There are lots of liberals that would be outraged if a complaint failed, me being one of them.

Then you add to your post with an ad hominem fallacy.

By the way, you're right that I for one have never proved you wrong. That's partly because you never responded to my challenge about the number of truck drivers in India with a university degree ?

Do you remember that one ?

[Figleaf]

Posting in a better forum now...

Edited July 28, 2007 by Figleaf

[betsy]

Strange that on CTV Newsnet, they mentioned this news (I think it is the same one)....but they did not specify exactly what country of origin these Asians are from. The newscaster just said "Asian."

Why can't they be more specific? Is this political correctness or what?

[theloniusfleabag]

In reponse to Leafless' quote:

The U.S. Southern Black situation concerning the Civil Rights Movement was in a totally different league than what your trying to make comparisons to.

While it is true the Civil Rights Movement dealt largely with gov't practices, it eventually touched on private business too.

From Britannica's Book of the Year 1961, pg 175

Sit-Ins_ On Feb. 2 1960, four Negro college students entered a variety store in Greensboro, N.C., and sat down at the lunch counter reserved for whites. They were refused service. They sat peacably in protest. Thus began sit-ins. ...Generally the stores involved were chain variety stores which sold varied merchandise and offered lunch counter service as an adjunct. First reaction in most southern cities was to refuse service, arrest demonstrators for trespass on private property, or to close the lunch counters.

The movement had opened a new legal frontier...The sit-ins moved the struggle to the area of private property.Did a private store owner who invited all the public in to buy their goods have the right to discriminate in one part of his store-the lunch counter? Doubtless, this question would eventually move up to the supreme court....

So the question still apparently stands, "Does (or should) one have the power to discriminate (on race, etc) in private business?"

[geoffrey]

So the question still apparently stands, "Does (or should) one have the power to discriminate (on race, etc) in private business?"

I strongly insist yes.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear geoffrey,

I strongly insist yes.

I was a bit tired last night, and did not fully expound on what I feel the implications may actually be, though it may not change your answer. A better question is: "Should private businesses expect the law to uphold their policies of discrimination?" In other words, "Should private property be exempt from the laws of society?

[Charles Anthony]

A better question is: "Should private businesses expect the law to uphold their policies of discrimination?" In other words, "Should private property be exempt from the laws of society?

Those are not the same questions.

The answer to the first question is YES -- if we submit ourselves to the law or understand the concept of trespassing.

The answer to the second question is NO -- because we submit ourselves to the law and understand the concept of trespassing.

[Argus]

This is disgusting.

Again, we are faced with a small element in the Cauco-Canadian population trying to play the race card in order to justify their own failings.

Says the current site champion at playing the race card to justify his people's failings.

Race card, hell, you've got several decks at least.

[Temagami Scourge]

Argus:

Says the current site champion at playing the race card to justify his people's failings. Race card, hell, you've got several decks at least.

Hey...counting the number of times I have to refer to the Indian Act shouldn't count. I can't help it if your government has such an Act, so I have to refer to indians all the time. Just be thankful we don't have a Caucasian Act...although judging from some people here, it sounds like there is a preference for one to protect and consolidate "white priviledge".

But that would be another discussion.

I'm only disappointed that these Cauco-Canadians need to play on their race to say they are being shut out of what appears to be a strictly business decision. I believe this is either one large misinterpretation on the part of the losers, or a specific attempt to garner racial sympathy and stir up Caucasian blood against "the (insert oppresive race here) foe".

Again, I at least feel sorry for the taxpayers of B.C....that they'll be footing the bill for this sorry event. apparently, you don't think this way Argus? Why do you put the taxpayer last?

[gerryhatrick]

This topic isn't Federal Politics. Where is our great rule defender to wipe this scourge from our midst?

[bradco]

My thoughts...

If the strip mall owner wants to start a Korean mall specializing in Korean culture thats cool with me. Its his mall so he deserves that right. If a christian wants to start a strip mall specializing in Christian stuff thats cool with me to. The lease runs out on these businesses and the owner gives the lease to another company that fits his business plan I dont see a problem.

The problem only starts when an insurance company is replaced by another insurance company. That has nothing to do with starting a Korean cultural mall. If the rent is the same or the existing tenant is excluded from bidding on the lease solely because of race that is racist plain and simple. You cant argue otherwise. Racist policies have no place in our society and if such an action isnt illegal it ought to be.

I cant help but feel bad for these business who have been there for years and have had their leases taken away. If they can prove that it was based on racism and not a business plan then take it to the courts and hopefully they get reimbursed for their trouble. People should have the right to conduct their businesses how they want but they must meet the legal and moral requirements our society puts on businesses. You cant discriminate on things such as race. The strip mall owner can refuse the leases if he wants different types of stores or the current stores dont encourage business. These people seem to have been there a long time so obviously they arent liabilities. If its true that their businesses are being replaced by similar businesses this is a horrible precedent to be setting in our country. Where's the motivation to start a business if people can pull stuff like this and pull your lease solely because of your race? Businesses take a lot of fixed capital to start and for some people to lose their lease for no good reason could be really hard. As someone who has a one year contract for a franchise Id be pretty choked if it was pulled just because the franchiser wants franchisees to be different races.

[geoffrey]

"Should private businesses expect the law to uphold their policies of discrimination?"

Yes. If I ask someone to leave, on whatever grounds, they need to leave. If not, they are trespassing. The police need to enforce that.

In other words, "Should private property be exempt from the laws of society?

If it's use doesn't interfere with anyone elses. I think government management of natural resources upon that land is acceptable... you shouldn't be able to kill all deer that stumble onto your property, cut down all the trees and dig a massive pit mine for the hell of it.

There is no over-ruling enshrined law that says I can't discriminate in my personal dealings, the Charter only applies to government.

As individuals, we should be free to choose who makes use of our private property, without restriction.