Whites being evicted from Vancouver Korean owned plaza

Wilber · October 18, 2006

The Libertarian in me says that freedom to choose is the best policy.

I agree whole-heartedly.

A racist is a racist is a racist. I, personally, would avoid the place and tell everyone I know about it so they could too. I would go as far as drive 5-10 miles out of my way to avoid the place.

I don't care who is the benefactor or the victim. A racist is not worthy of my business.

I wonder how legal it would be to take out an ad in the local newspaper backed up with quotes urging others to do the same?

An easy position to take as long as you personally are not the victim of racism.

August1991 · October 18, 2006

Should a Chinese restaurant be allowed to hire exclusively staff of Chinese origin?

Why do we allow Chinatowns?

mikedavid00 · October 18, 2006

how does one enforce a 'discriminating policy' without the law? Could it be possible to call the police and say: "Ofiicer, I'd like to report a couple of (insert race or even some derogatory ethnic slur here) in my store!"
No. You would not have to mention race even if it is your motive to racially discriminate.
The solution is that you would ask them to leave. Period. You should not be required to justify your demand.

If they do not leave, you need to treat them as tresspassers. Period. At that point, statists would call the police and say: "Ofiicer, I would like to report a couple of tresspassers on my property!" and everybody else would call a security guard.

Yeah but.. then... this wouldn't be Canada though. This wouldn't be our wonderful mosiac of immigrants from the third world living peacefully with us Canadians... oh i'm sorry.. i mean.. they are Canadians too. They are the same as us..

But wait.. they aren't if they are telling us to LEAVE because of our skin color.

Oh well. never mind all that. Everything is OK and don't forget to support Volpe!

gerryhatrick · October 18, 2006

how does one enforce a 'discriminating policy' without the law? Could it be possible to call the police and say: "Ofiicer, I'd like to report a couple of (insert race or even some derogatory ethnic slur here) in my store!"
No. You would not have to mention race even if it is your motive to racially discriminate.
The solution is that you would ask them to leave. Period. You should not be required to justify your demand.

If they do not leave, you need to treat them as tresspassers. Period. At that point, statists would call the police and say: "Ofiicer, I would like to report a couple of tresspassers on my property!" and everybody else would call a security guard.

Yeah but.. then... this wouldn't be Canada though. This wouldn't be our wonderful mosiac of immigrants from the third world living peacefully with us Canadians... oh i'm sorry.. i mean.. they are Canadians too. They are the same as us..

But wait.. they aren't if they are telling us to LEAVE because of our skin color.

Oh well. never mind all that. Everything is OK and don't forget to support Volpe!

Why do you single out immigrants from the third world? Or do you think all immigrants are from the third world?

Do you consider Korea a third world nation?

And where is the story that says these people were asked to leave the strip mall because of their skin color. What if the owners wanted stores selling Korean goods only?

Charles Anthony · October 18, 2006

Yeah but.. then... this wouldn't be Canada though. This wouldn't be our wonderful mosiac of immigrants from the third world living peacefully with us Canadians... oh i'm sorry..

It sounds like you are not happy one way and your are not happy the other way. What exactly do you want???

The only thing that is consistent with your statements is a vehement expression of racism.

i mean.. they are Canadians too. They are the same as us..

Damn right they are Canadians too but no, they are not the same as you.

Getting past the sarcasm, I am curious Mike00Dave, why do you want to be a racist?

Temagami Scourge · October 18, 2006

This is disgusting.

Again, we are faced with a small element in the Cauco-Canadian population trying to play the race card in order to justify their own failings. The article in the Globe clearly said that there were businesses willing to pay more to rent space...far more than the current businesses.

The worst crime the Canadian businesspeople committed was that they didn't provide a rationale for the non-renewal of the leases, but then these hotheads sound off using the race card to elicit sympathy.

What's next? Calls that the system is now experiencing "two-tiered economics"...one standard for Cauco-Canadians and another for other Canadians?

give me a break. The problem is that too many Cauco-canadians have been brought up believing in a "culture of entitlement", where it is somehow their god-given right to expect everything to go their way, and the minute they are found wanting, they make excuses for their poor behaviour.

Fortunately, I know many Cauco-canadian people who don't have to play the race card to make their way through life. They run businesses and are keen to the needs of their customers, which is the basis for their success.

I suggest that the three B.C. businesses learn to properly cater to their customers and let that speak for itself, instead of crying "Oh poor white me!".

It is embarrassing to the rest of Canada to stand for such pathetic whining.

Riverwind · October 18, 2006

Again, we are faced with a small element in the Cauco-Canadian population trying to play the race card in order to justify their own failings. The article in the Globe clearly said that there were businesses willing to pay more to rent space...far more than the current businesses.

You have you facts wrong again - the businesses are complaining because they were not even given the choice of paying more. They were just told that they would not be welcome no matter what they paid in rent.

The worst crime the Canadian businesspeople committed was that they didn't provide a rationale for the non-renewal of the leases, but then these hotheads sound off using the race card to elicit sympathy.

No different than certain groups of people that constantly play the race card to justify special priviledges....

Temagami Scourge · October 18, 2006

River:

You have you facts wrong again - the businesses are complaining because they were not even given the choice of paying more. They were just told that they would not be welcome no matter what they paid in rent.

Wrong? Hardly... the businesses only started playing the race card after being served their notice of non-renewal. The only fact they have is what they made up afterwards.

Secondly, we hear nothing in the media about whether or not there were already agreements made between the new mall owners and the new renters. Why was that not reported? If a prior agreement was established, then the old businesses had to go. If they misinterpreted the new owners intentions, then that is their problem...but the real problem is that they chose to play the race card because they didn't get their way.

To me, the only losers in this whole, sorry affair will be the taxpayers of B.C., who'll now have to foot the bill as this issue works its way through the system, guzzling money as it meanders along, and all because of the racial agenda of a special interest group.

Typical of the Conservative era we live in.

Riverwind · October 18, 2006

If they misinterpreted the new owners intentions, then that is their problem...but the real problem is that they chose to play the race card because they didn't get their way.

This is something people from various minority groups do in this country all of the time. It would be ridiculously hypocritical to not let these guys have the same access to due process.

Temagami Scourge · October 18, 2006

River:

This is something people from various minority groups do in this country all of the time. It would be ridiculously hypocritical to not let these guys have the same access to due process.

So you agree with my perspective that this is just another cheap ploy to play the race card?

wow...I thought I would never see this happen?

What have you done with the real Riverwind? Give him back!

gerryhatrick · October 18, 2006

If they misinterpreted the new owners intentions, then that is their problem...but the real problem is that they chose to play the race card because they didn't get their way.
This is something people from various minority groups do in this country all of the time. It would be ridiculously hypocritical to not let these guys have the same access to due process.

Who the hell has said they shouldn't have access to due process like anyone else?

That's what bugs me about this thread...the idea that this is being "allowed" keeps being pushed. That's bs.

mikedavid00 · October 18, 2006

Residential buildings, a little different as I see the danger of minorities being out on the street pretty quick. But business is different,

LOL!! I *love* the intellectual deep minded libs! lol!! It's amusement hehehe!!

August1991 · October 18, 2006

An easy position to take as long as you personally are not the victim of racism.

The best defense against a racist is to cross the street and give your money to a different business.

If the government itself is racist, then you can't cross the street. The only alternative is to leave the country. That is why many people come to Canada every year (because governments elsewhere in the world are racist) and why Canada has a Charter of Rights.

I would prefer to live in a world where people didn't discriminate on racial lines but I think the world would be worse if we tried to force people not to be racist.

You have you facts wrong again - the businesses are complaining because they were not even given the choice of paying more. They were just told that they would not be welcome no matter what they paid in rent.

That suggests to me that another mall somewhere else would be wise to lease premises to these businesses.

If the Korean mall owner is refusing to lease to customers who offer top dollar, then the Korean is not going to be in business in the long run.

It is costly to be racist because it means refusing lucrative business. An individual can live with this cost but a business in a competitive sector can't afford it.

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I think this particular case is considered upsetting because it involves not renewing a lease in an existing mall. If the Korean had built a new mall and was renting out space for the first time only to other Koreans, this would not be in the media. There are "white-only" malls in Canada.

The US has had a difficult history of race relations. Quotas and so-called positive discrimination are one consequence. In Canada, we sometimes imitate Americans and this is an example. Hearing cases from the US, too many Canadians believe that their government will or should attempt to achieve racial equality in private affairs.

The BC Attorney-General gave the right answer to the NDP question.

mikedavid00 · October 18, 2006

See intellectual, liberal great thinkers, ponder this - Some of us don't recognize different skin colors, races, ethnicities, or foreign languages because we're not racist and don't beleive in discrimination.

What a bigoted and ignorant post....

Why because I don't believe in recognition of different races and cultures?

I'm sorry if I don't believe in promoting racism sir! We're all the same inside and that's how we should view each other!

How you say such things to someone who is trying to quash rasism!

mikedavid00 · October 18, 2006

Residential buildings, a little different as I see the danger of minorities being out on the street pretty quick. But business is different, it's a matter of the market, if the white guy paid more, maybe he'd kick out the Korean. Or he'll go broke if the Koreans don't pay as much as the whites (and if they do pay as much, or more, then it's a wise business choice).

According to the people involved they were never given the option of paying more.

I had a friend who got evicted becasue the landlord wanted a different feel to his building and a hair salon wasn't what he was going for.

THey are replacing the businesses with basically the same businesses but korean owned.

That's what makes this cut and dry. man... i heard the insurance shop owner on the radio today and he's been there for 25 years. I felt so bad for him as a Canadian that we let this happen to him in this day and age.

the word 'Government' is just that-it's to govern. Most of what they do is NOT governacnce. VERY rarely do I beleive in governence but i feel the gov't should step in a set a new standard for our country before this sort of thing gets out of control. It's very rare you'll EVER here me ask the gov't for anything. I'm just asking them this time to govern our country and do the right thing.

gerryhatrick · October 18, 2006

See intellectual, liberal great thinkers, ponder this - Some of us don't recognize different skin colors, races, ethnicities, or foreign languages because we're not racist and don't beleive in discrimination.

What a bigoted and ignorant post....

Why because I don't believe in recognition of different races and cultures?

I'm sorry if I don't believe in promoting racism sir! We're all the same inside and that's how we should view each other!

How you say such things to someone who is trying to quash rasism!

Then why do you have such contempt for people who wish to maintain aspects of their culture?

And don't say you don't. You've talked sarcasticly about our "wonderful mosaic", as if it's deserving of contempt.

You didn't answer my previous question btw:

Why did you single out immigrants from the third world?

and..

Do you think Korea is a third world Country?

Canadian Blue · October 18, 2006

If immigrants go more towards the route the Korean mall owner did the Canada will have race riots. It'll be inevitable, thats the problem, we talk about equity all the time, but we forgot about equality and the affects of reverse discriminations down the road.

mikedavid00 · October 18, 2006

There are "white-only" malls in Canada.

Please name them. Name white owned malls that evict tenants based on their skin color and purposely go out of their way to have white only tenants.

I remeber stuff being done like that in Germany and in the south many years ago..

But as you claim, this is still going on in Canada so please tell me where.

I'm waiting.

gerryhatrick · October 18, 2006

There are "white-only" malls in Canada.

Please name them. Name white owned malls that evict tenants based on their skin color and purposely go out of their way to have white only tenants.

I remeber stuff being done like that in Germany and in the south many years ago..

But as you claim, this is still going on in Canada so please tell me where.

I'm waiting.

Yeah, and I'm waiting to. See three posts up.

And thus far I've seem NO link to any indication that these people were evicted based upon skin color.

Wilber · October 18, 2006

The best defense against a racist is to cross the street and give your money to a different business

Unless you are the one being put out of business by a racist, in which case you have no money to spend. That is why I say it is an easy position to take as long as you aren't the victim.

Biblio Bibuli · October 18, 2006

People are attracted to ethnic areas. Be it Korean, Italian, Greek, German, Russian, what have you .... it's always nice to have it in one place. Who wants to see a schnitzel house in an Italian area?

I hate going to malls because over 90% of shops are always shops that I'm not interested in, and it takes a lots of schlepping to find the ones I want.

It's just good business, every mall owner should specialize. The long term prospects are much greater that way.

I always thought that if I had a restaurant in the area where there aren't many restaurants, I'd do well. BOY WAS I WRONG! A friend of mine opened one up in restaurant row, and now he drives a Porsche.

Me? I ride a bus. :angry:

August1991 · October 18, 2006

Please name them. Name white owned malls that evict tenants based on their skin color and purposely go out of their way to have white only tenants.

Geez, I dunno. I haven't seen many Korean hockey players in the NHL but I could be wrong about that. I suppose that you wouldn't call that racism. "No hockey team kicked a Korean player off the team because he was Korean!"

You seem to be upset about the "eviction" part of this story. I think your real problem is that you feel that the Koreans are moving into "your Canada" and taking up space here and deciding things against "your people". [MikeDavid, are you a sock puppet for Temagami Scourge?]

Look, there's a mall with space available. I think the space should go to the person who can use it best. If the mall owner thinks, from her/his perspective, that a native Korean is the best renter, so be it.

If the BC government has a human rights code that forbids "discrimination in trade", then let the current renter take their difference to the tribunal.

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PS. MikeDavid, I'll bet a white guy once owned the land where this Surrey mall is located. The current Korean mall owner at least paid the white guy for the land in a fair deal in which everyone knew what was going on. Temagami Scourge kinda has a point about the fair deal part.

M.Dancer · October 18, 2006

See intellectual, liberal great thinkers, ponder this - Some of us don't recognize different skin colors, races, ethnicities, or foreign languages because we're not racist and don't beleive in discrimination.

What a bigoted and ignorant post....

Why because I don't believe in recognition of different races and cultures?

I'm sorry if I don't believe in promoting racism sir! We're all the same inside and that's how we should view each other!

How you say such things to someone who is trying to quash rasism!

No fool, because your slanderous and ignorant positioning of intellectuals etc......

your attitude is 100% bigotry

M.Dancer · October 18, 2006

I'll behave with my money and property as I want to...
Not only that, but in business to business transactions, I have every right to under Canadian law.

Who are you to tell someone what to do with their money and investments?

You have as much right to practice racial discrimination in business as I have to seel porn to minors