SamStranger Posted October 4, 2006 Report Posted October 4, 2006 Here are 2 things man has been pondering since confederation. What is Left wing? What is Right wing? Now... here is a new question I think we all should ask ourselves... what is being Progressive? Really..think about it. For years the term "Progressive" has only been affiliated with the Left wing ideology. For example: The PC party is usualy looked at as being Progressive and Left wing, a.k.a "Red Tories". And the modern Conservative party is more social Conservative- but are they Progressive?? My answer is: Yes. A Progressive idea (i believe) can come from the right or the left. A progressive value doesnt have to be Support Abortion ( as the Liberals would have us believe). It is actually just as Progressive to say Limit Abortion to certain situations-only the extremes. Is it Progressive to allow women to sleep around and have 6 abortions in a span of 3 years? (Globe and Mail article). Or is it Progressive to give doctors the power to dictate what should be done in the case of a rape, or insest? Another issue is Same-Sex Marriage. (Most) Liberals would have you believe that allowing SSM is Progressive... but, is it not also Progressive to ban it, since it has been illegal for 6 thousand years- and instead of disregarding a sacred institution God put in place for Man and Woman, lets keep is sacred and keep it the same- Progressive or not? Another issue is Taxes. The most Progressive thing a government can do is lower our taxes to illiminate our burden in day to day life. A De-Progressive burden is raising taxes- therefore the NDP is De-Progressive, not Progressive (im looking at you Ed Broadbent ) For instance. The Tories brought in the GST- very, very de-progressive. Election 1993, Liberals promise to scrap the GST- very progressive. The Liberals didnt follow through... very De-Progressive (Actually pathetic aswell ) I didn't want to turn this into a bias Conservative vs. Liberal/NDP topic, but I wanted to give you examples. Alrighty, lets have a good discussion here! What are your ideas on what is Progressive and what is not? Quote "They say that lifes a carousel, spinning fast you got to ride it well. The world is full of Kings and Queens who blind your eyes then steal your dreams- it's heaven and hell. And they will tell you black is really white, the moon is just the sun at night, and when you walk in golden halls you get to keep the gold that falls- its heaven and hell" -Ronnie James Dio
Michael Hardner Posted October 4, 2006 Report Posted October 4, 2006 A De-Progressive burden is raising taxes- therefore the NDP is De-Progressive, not Progressive (im looking at you Ed Broadbent... How about if they lower personal income taxes but increase corporate income tax, which have been drastically reduced over the past 50 years, to the point where individuals are paying far more of the tax burden than ever ? Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Hicksey Posted October 4, 2006 Report Posted October 4, 2006 Its a bunch of politicians that don't have faith in their own idealogy. If they did they wouldn't feel they have to water it down for mass consumption. Quote "If in passing, you never encounter anything that offends you, you are not living in a free society." - Rt. Hon. Kim Campbell - “In many respects, the government needs fewer rules, but rules that are consistently applied.” - Sheila Fraser, Former Auditor General.
geoffrey Posted October 4, 2006 Report Posted October 4, 2006 A De-Progressive burden is raising taxes- therefore the NDP is De-Progressive, not Progressive (im looking at you Ed Broadbent... How about if they lower personal income taxes but increase corporate income tax, which have been drastically reduced over the past 50 years, to the point where individuals are paying far more of the tax burden than ever ? Corporations don't pay taxes silly. Own any stocks? Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
Charles Anthony Posted October 4, 2006 Report Posted October 4, 2006 How about if they lower personal income taxes but increase corporate income tax, which have been drastically reduced over the past 50 years, to the point where individuals are paying far more of the tax burden than ever ?I think that would make them do-Re-me-Progressive! Quote We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
August1991 Posted October 4, 2006 Report Posted October 4, 2006 We discussed it here: If "progressive" means what will happen inevitably, then I must disagree. No one knows what will happen, or what direction progress will take. History is littered with false predictions.If "progressive" means that individuals should be free to choose, then I would like to believe this is possible. If "progressive" means that individuals must adopt or follow a new way of perceiving others and society, then I think I disagree. After all, we have religion now. Is this "progressive way" just a new religion? What does "progressive" mean? The lamentably banned MB said it best: I think the leftists who call themself "progressives" are trying to deceive the public again by renaming themselves. They used to call themselves liberals, but that word usually has a negative feel to it these days. Todays liberals are mostly socialists; they've ruined that word. Quote
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