M.Dancer Posted September 1, 2006 Report Posted September 1, 2006 Layton for some reason thinks that the Taliban would sit down to peace talks. No doubt Jack thinks the Taliban would put on the negotiation table their propensity to kill little girls who learn to read and suicide bombers..... What does Jack think the Taliban would want in return for giving up their tried and true tactics? Given that killing anyone who stands in thior way is how they gained poer in the first place? Poor Jack. Now the only reason to hope the NDP gets a vote is knowing that that particular vote won't be going to the other fringe left party called the Greens.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Hicksey Posted September 1, 2006 Report Posted September 1, 2006 This is exactly why it is the NDP can never lead this country. They'd have us be the world's doormat. Newsflash: It doesn't matter how nice we are to them, they hate us for who and what we are. Afghanistan is but a small part of it. The terrorists would be fighting against anyone there as we are. In a free country they are not as free to oppress and steal from its citizenry to fund their war against the infidels. They are fighting to restore that ability. Quote "If in passing, you never encounter anything that offends you, you are not living in a free society." - Rt. Hon. Kim Campbell - “In many respects, the government needs fewer rules, but rules that are consistently applied.” - Sheila Fraser, Former Auditor General.
non legitimus carborundum Posted September 1, 2006 Report Posted September 1, 2006 You keep saying 'Jack thinks', or 'Layton thinks'. Since he is an NDP'er, this is just not so. They don't think, they just mouth off old shop worn near Marxist claptrap from the Dirty Thirties. Quote
fellowtraveller Posted September 1, 2006 Report Posted September 1, 2006 It would be interesting to learn how this suggestion or policy proposal from Layton affects the NDP in the polls. I think that overall Layton has miscalculated here and will pay a political price. Quote The government should do something.
non legitimus carborundum Posted September 1, 2006 Report Posted September 1, 2006 Sorry fellow traveller. Most young people I meet have been well and truly brainwashed into thinking we are a nation of peace KEEPERS, (not peace MAKERS). Add to that Canada's influential La Belle Province. It once had a proud tradition in the 'Van Doos' etc., but now in the finest of Pierre Elliot's left wing appeasement tratidion, most of Quebec seems to view doing anything violent to be abhorrent. Although I am an unashamed small 'C' conservative, I believe that Harpers stance on Afghanistan will be his downfall. On the other hand I predicted a Martin victory, so what do I know? Quote
betsy Posted September 1, 2006 Report Posted September 1, 2006 I wonder what would he be willing to put on the table? The things he'd willingly give up? Gay marriage? Abortion? Career women? Elections? Christianity? Jews? LCBO? Pig farmers? Harper and Bush? etc..? Quote
Wilber Posted September 1, 2006 Report Posted September 1, 2006 Layton just sees the world as he would like it but doesn't seem capable of seeing it the way it is. That doesn't make him a bad person but definitely not someone you want to lead a country. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
JerrySeinfeld Posted September 1, 2006 Report Posted September 1, 2006 THIS is a great characiture (sp?) of exactly what ails the left. Tlerance in the face of hatred. What layton doesn't realize is that if he swung by the cave he'd be shot before he could say "but i'm on your side" Quote
jbg Posted September 1, 2006 Report Posted September 1, 2006 Layton for some reason thinks that the Taliban would sit down to peace talks. No doubt Jack thinks the Taliban would put on the negotiation table their propensity to kill little girls who learn to read and suicide bombers..... Taliban invitation card to negotiations: Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Argus Posted September 1, 2006 Report Posted September 1, 2006 Layton for some reason thinks that the Taliban would sit down to peace talks. No doubt Jack thinks the Taliban would put on the negotiation table their propensity to kill little girls who learn to read and suicide bombers..... Layton and the NDP are utterly inchoherent on foreign policy. They're against us being in Afghanistan because, apparently, we're actually fighting against someone. Yet they wanted us to go into the Sudan to protect the Christians there - with what, other than oratory, one wonders. Is it okay to protect black Africans from racist Arabs but unnacceptable to protect women who want to learn how to read from Muslim lunatics? Just what do you offer the other side in negotiatons? An end to girl schools? No more women in government or media? The death penalty to all men who shave their beards? And the idea we should just cut and run, abandon our allies, despite promising we'd be there for hte next two years, pack up and get out immediately. Yeah, that's gonna go over well with all the other 17 western nations in Afghanistan. Layton's got his head up his ass again. The only thing he can see is that we're involved in offensive military activities and that's got him squirming and wringing his hands in horror so badly he just wants to run away and hide. Note to Darfur. Canada will protect you! Unless, of course, it involves commiting violence, because we're far too noble and saintly for that. But don't worry, after you're dead we'll register a stern protest with the United Nations! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Hicksey Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 Layton for some reason thinks that the Taliban would sit down to peace talks. No doubt Jack thinks the Taliban would put on the negotiation table their propensity to kill little girls who learn to read and suicide bombers..... Layton and the NDP are utterly inchoherent on foreign policy. They're against us being in Afghanistan because, apparently, we're actually fighting against someone. Yet they wanted us to go into the Sudan to protect the Christians there - with what, other than oratory, one wonders. Is it okay to protect black Africans from racist Arabs but unnacceptable to protect women who want to learn how to read from Muslim lunatics? Just what do you offer the other side in negotiatons? An end to girl schools? No more women in government or media? The death penalty to all men who shave their beards? And the idea we should just cut and run, abandon our allies, despite promising we'd be there for hte next two years, pack up and get out immediately. Yeah, that's gonna go over well with all the other 17 western nations in Afghanistan. Layton's got his head up his ass again. The only thing he can see is that we're involved in offensive military activities and that's got him squirming and wringing his hands in horror so badly he just wants to run away and hide. Note to Darfur. Canada will protect you! Unless, of course, it involves commiting violence, because we're far too noble and saintly for that. But don't worry, after you're dead we'll register a stern protest with the United Nations! Soldiers are nothing more than armed social workers as far as the NDP is concerned. EDIT TO ADD I have no doubt that they would argue against war even if it meant their own deaths. Quote "If in passing, you never encounter anything that offends you, you are not living in a free society." - Rt. Hon. Kim Campbell - “In many respects, the government needs fewer rules, but rules that are consistently applied.” - Sheila Fraser, Former Auditor General.
B. Max Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 THIS is a great characiture (sp?) of exactly what ails the left. Tlerance in the face of hatred.What layton doesn't realize is that if he swung by the cave he'd be shot before he could say "but i'm on your side" Harper should offer Layton and his collection of misfits transportation over there on the next plane. Quote
Who's Doing What? Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 Layton for some reason thinks that the Taliban would sit down to peace talks. No doubt Jack thinks the Taliban would put on the negotiation table their propensity to kill little girls who learn to read and suicide bombers.....What does Jack think the Taliban would want in return for giving up their tried and true tactics? Given that killing anyone who stands in thior way is how they gained poer in the first place? Poor Jack. Now the only reason to hope the NDP gets a vote is knowing that that particular vote won't be going to the other fringe left party called the Greens.... I heard the quality of crack in Toronto was at an all time high, but I didn't know Layton was a smoker. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
Rovik Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 My goodness, I can't believe how naive some of you come across as. Let's face it, there will bo no peace in ALL of Afghanistan except for maybe the cities (and even then) without the cooperation of the taliban. I'm not talking about all the taliban but the moderates. The taliban have too much influence in Afghanistan (unfortunate but true.) And a lot of Canadians obviously agree with Jack Layton, going by the Globe and Mail poll in which 62% (26478/43039) support what Jack Layton is saying (check out the poll section on the Globe and Mail site) It's funny how some of you attack Layton, all the while it's you who have unrealistic views Quote
Who's Doing What? Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 So we negotiate a peace and a new govt. with a terrorist regime? Are we to give credence and power, back to those who provided seclusion and shelter to the worst terrorists in the world, so they could plan attacks and train their Martyrs to kill thousands of innocents? You can **** that idea sideways with a bulldozer. The Taliban need to be hunted down until they are dead or in custody. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
Rovik Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 So we negotiate a peace and a new govt. with a terrorist regime? Are we to give credence and power, back to those who provided seclusion and shelter to the worst terrorists in the world, so they could plan attacks and train their Martyrs to kill thousands of innocents? You can **** that idea sideways with a bulldozer. The Taliban need to be hunted down until they are dead or in custody. We're not talking about another Taliban regime, we're talking about a moderate government which may include a minor amount of former moderate Taliban. The extremist Taliban would never listen and should be squeezed out of the picture by discrediting them and one way to do this is to isolate them from the moderates. Quote
kimmy Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 My goodness, I can't believe how naive some of you come across as. Let's face it, there will bo no peace in ALL of Afghanistan except for maybe the cities (and even then) without the cooperation of the taliban. I'm not talking about all the taliban but the moderates. The taliban have too much influence in Afghanistan (unfortunate but true.) ... We're not talking about another Taliban regime, we're talking about a moderate government which may include a minor amount of former moderate Taliban. uh, what? What do you mean by moderate Taliban It's an extremist organization with extremist leadership and extremist ideology. How do we identify these moderates? How do we bring them to the table while excluding the extremists? If we identify and identify these "moderate Taliban" and invite them to the negotiating table while excluding the leadership, then what credibility does this supposed negotiation have? Come on, this notion that hostilities could be ended by negotiating with Taliban (but just moderate ones!) is sheer fantasy. The real Taliban-- the leadership, the hardliners, the ones who held public beheadings in soccer stadiums and lined up accused homosexuals to run over them with a tank-- have no reason to negotiate anyway, because they know that they will win in the end because Canadians just don't have the stomach for this job. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Argus Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 The extremist Taliban would never listen and should be squeezed out of the picture by discrediting them and one way to do this is to isolate them from the moderates. A "moderate" Taliban? What the hell is that? Someone willing to merely execute girls for learning to read and write rather than slowly torturing them to death? There was a comment in the Telegraph today which seems appropriate. In the conflict between the terrorists who wish to impose their vision of a "just and righteous society" by force on the rest of us, there is nothing to talk about: they are not interested in compromise or negotiation, and there is no common ground between their vision of the future and ours. The terrorists themselves have stated their position clearly: "We are not," one of them has insisted, "trying to exact concessions from you. We are trying to eliminate you." Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
August1991 Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 It is hard not to see in this that Jack Layton (and the NDP as well as many Liberals) have raised compromise to be a principle above all others. What are the principles Layton would defend without compromise? Quote
Wilber Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 Will Jack be the first? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Argus Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 It is hard not to see in this that Jack Layton (and the NDP as well as many Liberals) have raised compromise to be a principle above all others.What are the principles Layton would defend without compromise? I don't see Layton as a man much given to compromise. And so I don't think he's that passionate a fan of the ideal. This is more a reflection for his distaste of militarism and the military, of an association with the Americans, and of the idea of White western soldiers fighting brown-skinned people. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Canuck E Stan Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 This is more a reflection for his distaste of militarism and the military, of an association with the Americans, and of the idea of White western soldiers fighting brown-skinned people. And if Layton had hair it would be long and have a flower in it. Quote "Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over 30 who is not a conservative has no brains." — Winston Churchill
Wilber Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 I don't see Layton as a man much given to compromise. And so I don't think he's that passionate a fan of the ideal. This is more a reflection for his distaste of militarism and the military, of an association with the Americans, and of the idea of White western soldiers fighting brown-skinned people. One sometimes wonders whether he would be happier if we were fighting Americans. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Borg Posted September 3, 2006 Report Posted September 3, 2006 The fact that Jack keeps getting elected speaks volumes about Canadians. Borg Quote
jbg Posted September 4, 2006 Report Posted September 4, 2006 We're not talking about another Taliban regime, we're talking about a moderate government which may include a minor amount of former moderate Taliban. The extremist Taliban would never listen and should be squeezed out of the picture by discrediting them and one way to do this is to isolate them from the moderates. Moderate Taliban? Is that like a dog having a moderate case of rabies? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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