Taxpayers fund 95% of Bloc finances

[Leafless]

The Conservatives raised-$4 million in the last quarter.

The Liberals raised-$1.2 million in the last quarter.

The Bloc raised -$27,566.96 in the last quarter but received $727,092 from the Canadian government , tax payers of Canada whose main goal is to separate from the country that is giving them this financial advantage.

What separatist in their right mind or for that matter even call themselves a separatist for taking this kind of money from all places, the Federal Government of Canada.

It was Jean Chretien who greased the wheels grinding out 'the federal political financing law' in which ALL so called federal parties benefit and receive $1.75 for each vote garnered in the January election including a complicated formula giving the parties about .44 cents a vote for the quarter from the treasury.

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/s...7f9&k=79883

[Riverwind]

It was Jean Chretien who greased the wheels grinding out 'the federal political financing law' in which ALL so called federal parties benefit and receive $1.75 for each vote garnered in the January election

10-11% of Canadians vote for the BQ which means they are entitled to any funding that is allocated based on the number of votes cast. Personally, I would rather see a system that allocates funding based on the number of votes cast per riding in the entire country. This would help encourage nation parties instead of regional ones. The FPP system already gives regional parties many advantages - we don't need a funding system that makes this problem worse.

[jdobbin]

It was Jean Chretien who greased the wheels grinding out 'the federal political financing law' in which ALL so called federal parties benefit and receive $1.75 for each vote garnered in the January election including a complicated formula giving the parties about .44 cents a vote for the quarter from the treasury.

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/s...7f9&k=79883

And Harper is continuing that policy and making it even harder for individuals to donate money. Go figure.

[August1991]

What separatist in their right mind or for that matter even call themselves a separatist for taking this kind of money from all places, the Federal Government of Canada.

People in Quebec (including separatists) pay federal taxes like anyone else. They are entitled to receive services from the federal government. Are you suggesting that separatists not use Canadian airports because the federal government funds airports?

[Michael Hardner]

It seems strange, but I actually think the Libs and Cons are trying to do right by Canada this one time. When you look at the travesty that is US election financing, it's easy to see why.

Of course somebody has to pay for these ads. Personally, I'd rather have everybody paying a little than a few unions and corporations paying a lot.

[Charles Anthony]

QUESTION:

What separatist in their right mind or for that matter even call themselves a separatist for taking this kind of money from all places, the Federal Government of Canada.

ANSWER: An honest person who calls "this kind of money" theft and just wants his money back.

[Wilber]

What separatist in their right mind or for that matter even call themselves a separatist for taking this kind of money from all places, the Federal Government of Canada.

People in Quebec (including separatists) pay federal taxes like anyone else. They are entitled to receive services from the federal government. Are you suggesting that separatists not use Canadian airports because the federal government funds airports?

What does providing services have to do with financing political parties? I agree with Riverwind.

[August1991]

What does providing services have to do with financing political parties? I agree with Riverwind.

The rain falls on the just and the unjust.

Since July, the federal government has been mailing out cheques to families with children under 6. Should separatist families refuse to cash the cheques?

[Wilber]

What does providing services have to do with financing political parties? I agree with Riverwind.

The rain falls on the just and the unjust.

Since July, the federal government has been mailing out cheques to families with children under 6. Should separatist families refuse to cash the cheques?

What does providing services have to do with financing political parities? Any political party and particularly a so called national party. I agree with Riverwind.

[Leafless]

It was Jean Chretien who greased the wheels grinding out 'the federal political financing law' in which ALL so called federal parties benefit and receive $1.75 for each vote garnered in the January election

10-11% of Canadians vote for the BQ which means they are entitled to any funding that is allocated based on the number of votes cast. Personally, I would rather see a system that allocates funding based on the number of votes cast per riding in the entire country. This would help encourage nation parties instead of regional ones. The FPP system already gives regional parties many advantages - we don't need a funding system that makes this problem worse.

I agree and I would like to see this system extended to determine the winning party. FPP is totally unfair and if the party you voted for doesn't make it your vote means NOTHING.

If voters are as important as politicians say they are rather than the political party , we would have a PR system tomorrow.

[Charles Anthony]

Since July, the federal government has been mailing out cheques to families with children under 6. Should separatist families refuse to cash the cheques?

I have a better question: should separatist families be required to pay federal taxes?

[Leafless]

Since July, the federal government has been mailing out cheques to families with children under 6. Should separatist families refuse to cash the cheques?

I have a better question: should separatist families be required to pay federal taxes?

This has got nothing to do with separatist families pertaining to federal taxes as they have no choice but to pay federal taxes until Quebec if it ever does, separate.

But in reply to August's question I think it would be up to the discretion of the separatist family to consider how important it is to them to respect separatist ideologies to decide whether to cash the cheque or tear it up and throw it in the waste paper basket. This would determine true separatist loyalties.

This is a personal thing relating to one's personal standards.

[Charles Anthony]

It sounds more like a selective socialist attack ganging up on a minority group. In this case, separatists are the target. Joseph Stalin would be proud.

[jbg]

What separatist in their right mind or for that matter even call themselves a separatist for taking this kind of money from all places, the Federal Government of Canada.

People in Quebec (including separatists) pay federal taxes like anyone else. They are entitled to receive services from the federal government. Are you suggesting that separatists not use Canadian airports because the federal government funds airports?

Is funding separatists a "service" the majority of Canadians would want to pay for? Or for that matter official bilingualism?

The US spent a fortune in the Civil War, both in lives and money, holding the country together. Canadians are spending a fortune tearing a great nation apart.

[Charles Anthony]

Is funding separatists a "service" the majority of Canadians would want to pay for?

No. Funding our "democracy" is.

Funny how we conveniently use "democracy" to wield power and forget about it when it does not suit us, is it not?

[Wilber]

It sounds more like a selective socialist attack ganging up on a minority group. In this case, separatists are the target. Joseph Stalin would be proud.

Damn right, separists should have great big bulls eyes on them, they are trying to break up the country. Why would I respect that?

[jbg]

Is funding separatists a "service" the majority of Canadians would want to pay for?

No. Funding our "democracy" is.

Funny how we conveniently use "democracy" to wield power and forget about it when it does not suit us, is it not?

There's a simple answer. People should be free to donate to campaigns. Or not donate. There's no reason for the government to prop up a failing party.

Neither the Bloc nor the NDP would attract contributions since they are parties doomed never to govern. Then why have them?

[geoffrey]

Is funding separatists a "service" the majority of Canadians would want to pay for?

No. Funding our "democracy" is.

Funny how we conveniently use "democracy" to wield power and forget about it when it does not suit us, is it not?

I agree Charles, what a ridiculous attitude from some of these people. We going to stop programs and access to some people based on colour next too?

If everyone has equal rights, which they should, then the sepertists have a right to the money. They pay for this country too.

[geoffrey]

There's a simple answer. People should be free to donate to campaigns. Or not donate. There's no reason for the government to prop up a failing party.

Neither the Bloc nor the NDP would attract contributions since they are parties doomed never to govern. Then why have them?

Publically financed campaigns do have some appeal... no buying favours. But I think the current approach works best, what the CPC has put forward. $1000 limit in donations. No corporate donations. It's ideal. People can all give reasonable amounts of money.

The 'funding' of parties otherwise has some validity, you couldn't run a modern campaign on donations alone with the cap in place. The cap needs to be there though, so instead we have a proportion amount of campaign assistance.

[Leafless]

Is funding separatists a "service" the majority of Canadians would want to pay for?

No. Funding our "democracy" is.

Funny how we conveniently use "democracy" to wield power and forget about it when it does not suit us, is it not?

I agree Charles, what a ridiculous attitude from some of these people. We going to stop programs and access to some people based on colour next too?

If everyone has equal rights, which they should, then the sepertists have a right to the money. They pay for this country too.

Does implementing a racist document like the French Charter and renewing the 'notwithstanding clause' every five years to continue this oppression justify the right to do this simply because Quebecers pay federal taxes?

[Charles Anthony]

Does implementing a racist document like the French Charter and renewing the 'notwithstanding clause' every five years to continue this oppression justify the right to do this simply because Quebecers pay federal taxes?

In Canadian federalism, I do not see why it should not.

[Leafless]

Does implementing a racist document like the French Charter and renewing the 'notwithstanding clause' every five years to continue this oppression justify the right to do this simply because Quebecers pay federal taxes?

In Canadian federalism, I do not see why it should not.

It is strange you should say this especially when you said: "It sounds more like a selective socialist attack ganging up on a minority group. In this case, separatists are the target. Joseph Stalin would be proud."

IOW your saying hands off Quebec no matter what Quebec does.

Maybe it's time other provinces employ Quebec tactics to enforce their provincial rights in order to protect their provincial interest.

[Charles Anthony]

It is strange you should say this especially when you said: "It sounds more like a selective socialist attack ganging up on a minority group. In this case, separatists are the target. Joseph Stalin would be proud."

IOW your saying hands off Quebec no matter what Quebec does.

It is only strange if you have a natural reflex to mind other people's business rather than your own.

The issues you raised (French Charter; 'notwithstanding clause') are exclusively within the jurisdiction of Quebec. Therefore, let them rule themselves their own way. That is their right within Canadian federalism

The issue of the funding to federal political parties is a federal issue. It is only fair that everybody is treated equally.

Maybe it's time other provinces employ Quebec tactics to enforce their provincial rights in order to protect their provincial interest.

I agree.

I am perplexed that it takes Rest-of-Canadians sooooo long to start thinking that way.

[Leafless]

It is strange you should say this especially when you said: "It sounds more like a selective socialist attack ganging up on a minority group. In this case, separatists are the target. Joseph Stalin would be proud."

IOW your saying hands off Quebec no matter what Quebec does.

It is only strange if you have a natural reflex to mind other people's business rather than your own.

The issues you raised (French Charter; 'notwithstanding clause') are exclusively within the jurisdiction of Quebec. Therefore, let them rule themselves their own way. That is their right within Canadian federalism

The issue of the funding to federal political parties is a federal issue. It is only fair that everybody is treated equally.

Canada is NOT a true democracy it is a dictatorship based on the METHOD votes apply to the winning party.

In saying this it means there is NOBODY to ensure all Canadians are treated equally since standards are dependent on the party in power.

You say "it is only fair that everybody is treated equally".

Well, Canadians are not being treated equally. If we were we would not allow a single province to implement racist policies and abuse the notwithstanding clause by simply renewing it every five years without proving why it's use must be extended.

We all know why don't we and that is to 'cop out' of requirements concerning our constitution.

Does the constitution really mean NOTHING through the eyes of Quebec and if it does mean nothing why should it mean anything to all other Canadians who abide by our constitution.

[mikedavid00]

It was Jean Chretien who greased the wheels grinding out 'the federal political financing law' in which ALL so called federal parties benefit and receive $1.75 for each vote garnered in the January election including a complicated formula giving the parties about .44 cents a vote for the quarter from the treasury.

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/s...7f9&k=79883

And Harper is continuing that policy and making it even harder for individuals to donate money. Go figure.

How about NO taxpayers dollars goto ANY party. It's MY money that i work for and it's certainly not to give to them.