Argus Posted September 12, 2008 Report Posted September 12, 2008 45% of Toronto are foriegn born...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Toronto Toronto is one of the best places to integrate into. Last night we went to a back to school party. My daughter has two friends who are of Iraniandescent (they are Canadian Born). We were talking to their mother and she was saying that when the girls were young, they spoke to them in Pesian, but switched to english as they got older. Now when a family member speaks to the girls in Persian, the girls understand, but reply in FRENCH!!! How does one get more integrated into Canadian life than being trilingual? <shrug> A lot of Iranians, particularly those who fled the coming of the Mullahs, are pretty western oriented. My problem is that the vast bulk of immigrants from that neck of the woods are of the mentality to keep their Canadian born daughters wearing chadors, keep them from dating or going out on their own, and send them "home" to the old country to get a "proper" husband who'll keep them in line. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Moonbox Posted September 12, 2008 Report Posted September 12, 2008 Harper has the money. He just hasn't made it a high priority. The rest of what you say is pretty much true, so that despite my dissatisfaction with what the Tories have done for the military I'll still acknowledge they have treated them better, and shown more respect to them, than any government since Pearson. You're right that he hasn't made it a priority. The reason for this, however, is that the economy is having trouble, he's doing everything he can do avoid a deficit and most centre or left of centre Canadians are violently opposed to any extra military spending. Increased military spending would upset these Canadians who know nothing about Afghanistan or our military and would probably lose Harper the LPC/CPC swing voter. Once defeated in a minority, the LPC would just reverse whatever changes he's made. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
betsy Posted September 13, 2008 Report Posted September 13, 2008 (edited) Canada doesn't demand anything. They suggest and hope the power of its argument sways people. Suggest and hope its argument sways other world leaders. And if these other world leaders don't get swayed? We get swayed instead? "If you can't lick em, join em?" Go along to get along? That's not leadership! Liberal PMs may think and operate that way....but I long for a PM with a backbone to stand on his principles! I want my PM to lead! And Harper had clearly demonstrated that! And you said it right, we are a member of G8. We are one of the most wealthiest, industrialized and generous nations in the world! WE SHOULD HAVE A SAY! "At a summit of 53 Francophone countries last week, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper showed what it means to be a great power. Standing alone on principle, Canada forced the conference to introduce a modicum of balance into a lopsidedly anti-Israel statement on the recent war in Lebanon." http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid...ticle%2FPrinter Edited September 13, 2008 by betsy Quote
jdobbin Posted September 13, 2008 Report Posted September 13, 2008 Suggest and hope its argument sways other world leaders. And if these other world leaders don't get swayed? The we go to war like is Afghanistan. Or have you forgotten. Harper, of course, would have had Canada go to war in Iraq. Quote
betsy Posted September 13, 2008 Report Posted September 13, 2008 The we go to war like is Afghanistan. Or have you forgotten.Harper, of course, would have had Canada go to war in Iraq. Did we go to war over that Francophonie conference? Quote
jdobbin Posted September 13, 2008 Report Posted September 13, 2008 Did we go to war over that Francophonie conference? Did we go to war over the Montreal climate change conference? Quote
Topaz Posted September 13, 2008 Report Posted September 13, 2008 Harper is trying to get the votes away from the separatists, and some are saying that the separation issue is dying. Since it was the Quebec Libs involved in scam of the Lib party, Harper may just get their votes. BUT, he needs their votes because the Martimes won't support him and Ontario may not and I still think any party can form a minority gov't even the NDP. I think the day after the debates, the polls may show a different view from todays polls. I think there's more people that want to vote NDP because they are sick of the other two parties but don't want to have Harper form a majority. Quote
betsy Posted September 13, 2008 Report Posted September 13, 2008 (edited) Did we go to war over the Montreal climate change conference? Montreal Climate Change Conference is about KYOTO! Where's the conflict??? In fact, the usual followers from Dion to Layton to May have been beside themselves with worry, screeching with panic over not meeting UN's demands regarding this! Anyway, for all the grand posturing, didn't the emission actually go up under Dion's watch? Well Harper's been insisting we have to be realistic in setting a target for this. That's what he's been saying all along. The three followers had accused Harper of being a "saboteur" of Kyoto....because Harper won't dance to the tune! And now I notice that lately Dion's not mentioning the word, Kyoto. Layton hasn't been uttering the word, Kyoto. And May's been mum about the word, Kyoto. So there you go. Just shows you, Harper is a leader! Edited September 13, 2008 by betsy Quote
jdobbin Posted September 13, 2008 Report Posted September 13, 2008 (edited) Montreal Climate Change Conference is about KYOTO! Where's the conflict??? The conference almost collapsed were it not for Dion. So there you go. Just shows you, Harper is a leader! Harper is by himself now. If McCain wins, he says he will punish climate change free riders. It is on McCain's website. Harper will be a leader to get us into a trade war. Way to go, Harper! However, maybe McCain will forgive him when he gets Harper to commit to the war against Iran. Edited September 14, 2008 by jdobbin Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 13, 2008 Report Posted September 13, 2008 Harper is by himself now. If McCain wins, he says he will punish climate change free riders. It is on McCain's website. Harper will be a leader to get us into a trade war. Way to go, Harper! He is by himself even if McCain loses. Sometimes your fate isn't always dependent on what the Americans do,,,and that can be a good thing. However, maybe McCain will forgive him when he gets Harper to commit to the ear against Iran. If you mean "war", then Harper has nothing to commit anyway. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jbg Posted September 14, 2008 Report Posted September 14, 2008 (edited) And you said it right, we are a member of G8. We are one of the most wealthiest, industrialized and generous nations in the world! WE SHOULD HAVE A SAY!Bang on!The UN system cuts off the connection between "generous" nations and recipients of their largesse. That is one of the reasons that it is a bad thing. Edited September 14, 2008 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted September 14, 2008 Report Posted September 14, 2008 The conference almost collapsed were it not for Dion. Is Dion now also "Captain Climate"? Harper is by himself now. If McCain wins, he says he will punish climate change free riders. It is on McCain's website. Harper will be a leader to get us into a trade war. Way to go, Harper!There is zero chance McCain will follow through on joining Kyoto. The Senate here will not ratify it.However, maybe McCain will forgive him when he gets Harper to commit to the ear against Iran.Yes, I'm sure Harper will give his "ear" and listen. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
WestViking Posted September 14, 2008 Report Posted September 14, 2008 The we go to war like is Afghanistan. Or have you forgotten.Harper, of course, would have had Canada go to war in Iraq. What a load of utter nonsense. We had no troops to commit to anywhere in early 2002. We had the JTF2 deployed in Afghanistan and were stretched to do that. Chretien had to arrange with Bush for a lift from the USAF to get the JTF2 over to Afghanistan if you will recall. We had a NATO commitment to Afghanistan and did not have the resources to fill our commitment. A deployment to Iraq was out of the question. Quote Hall Monitor of the Shadowy Group
jdobbin Posted September 14, 2008 Report Posted September 14, 2008 What a load of utter nonsense. We had no troops to commit to anywhere in early 2002. We had the JTF2 deployed in Afghanistan and were stretched to do that. Chretien had to arrange with Bush for a lift from the USAF to get the JTF2 over to Afghanistan if you will recall. Our troops were in Kosovo, another war the Liberals had committed to. We handed off to other forces once the sector was secured and began the deployment to Afghanistan, a war the Liberals supported from the very beginning. We had a NATO commitment to Afghanistan and did not have the resources to fill our commitment. A deployment to Iraq was out of the question. Harper never said involvement in Iraq was out of the question. He said Canada would be there. Quote
WestViking Posted September 14, 2008 Report Posted September 14, 2008 Our troops were in Kosovo, another war the Liberals had committed to.We handed off to other forces once the sector was secured and began the deployment to Afghanistan, a war the Liberals supported from the very beginning. Harper never said involvement in Iraq was out of the question. He said Canada would be there. Produce the quote. Quote Hall Monitor of the Shadowy Group
jbg Posted September 14, 2008 Report Posted September 14, 2008 Produce the quote.He may have some difficulty doing that. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jdobbin Posted September 14, 2008 Report Posted September 14, 2008 (edited) Produce the quote. http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes/realitycheck/iraq.html "We should have been there, shoulder to shoulder with our allies." He went on to say: "There is no doubt about the technical capacity of our society to fight this war" So, if Harper had been PM, he would have been there and he said we had the ability to be there. Edited September 14, 2008 by jdobbin Quote
WestViking Posted September 14, 2008 Report Posted September 14, 2008 (edited) http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes/realitycheck/iraq.htmlHe went on to say: So, if Harper had been PM, he would have been there and he said we had the ability to be there. LOL - Nice try: "If I were prime minister, we would not be involved in Iraq. I would encourage the Americans and hope they're successful, but our government would not be there." Conservative Leader Stephen Harper, Dec. 13, 2005 at a press conference in Trenton, Ont. I don't care how some idiot at the CBC wants to spin what Harper might have said. Edited September 14, 2008 by WestViking Quote Hall Monitor of the Shadowy Group
jdobbin Posted September 14, 2008 Report Posted September 14, 2008 (edited) LOL - Nice try:"If I were prime minister, we would not be involved in Iraq. I would encourage the Americans and hope they're successful, but our government would not be there." Conservative Leader Stephen Harper, Dec. 13, 2005 at a press conference in Trenton, Ont. I don't care how some idiot at the CBC wants to spin what Harper might have said. In 2005, he said that. And while the link comes from the CBC, it was in every media group in Canada and the U.S. since Harper took his argument to U.S. papers. Harper kept changing his story. Edited September 14, 2008 by jdobbin Quote
Argus Posted September 14, 2008 Report Posted September 14, 2008 The conference almost collapsed were it not for Dion. Gee, good thing THAT didn't happen, because otherwise all the important stuff .... that... it probably thought about doing ... eventually... might not have gotten done, even though nothing important actually did get done. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 14, 2008 Report Posted September 14, 2008 In 2005, he said that. And while the link comes from the CBC, it was in every media group in Canada and the U.S. since Harper took his argument to U.S. papers.Harper kept changing his story. Talking about changing stories, how was it that Dion was environment minister opposed doing anything to live up to the Liberal Party's commitment to Kyoto - privately at the cabinet table. But on the other hand, in public, named his dog Kyoto to "demonstrate his commitment to Kyoto"? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jbg Posted September 14, 2008 Report Posted September 14, 2008 Gee, good thing THAT didn't happen, because otherwise all the important stuff .... that... it probably thought about doing ... eventually... might not have gotten done, even though nothing important actually did get done. Except that the earth did get saved, thank G-d. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted September 14, 2008 Report Posted September 14, 2008 But on the other hand, in public, named his dog Kyoto to "demonstrate his commitment to Kyoto"?Are you questioning the dog's commitment to a green earth, even though it makes the earth brown in spots? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jdobbin Posted September 14, 2008 Report Posted September 14, 2008 Gee, good thing THAT didn't happen, because otherwise all the important stuff .... that... it probably thought about doing ... eventually... might not have gotten done, even though nothing important actually did get done. Seem to recall that the Conservatives government released information this past year to indicate Canada's emissions went down when Dion was minister. Quote
jdobbin Posted September 14, 2008 Report Posted September 14, 2008 Talking about changing stories, how was it that Dion was environment minister opposed doing anything to live up to the Liberal Party's commitment to Kyoto - privately at the cabinet table. But on the other hand, in public, named his dog Kyoto to "demonstrate his commitment to Kyoto"? Citation? And this re-directs from Harper sending troops to Iraq how? Quote
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