"Not Criminally Responsible" should be abolished from the legal system.

[blackbird]

NCR is something relatively new in Canada. "In 1992, Bill C-30 came into force which reformed (at least partially) the law as it relates to the defence of “not criminally responsible on account of mental disorder”. 

NCR rulings are making a mockery of the justice system and actually punishing the families of the victims because murderers are getting off and walking away, while the families have to suffer lifelong consequences including attending hearings about whether to release the offender from a mental facility.  This is unreasonable and punishes the families more than the offender who should face punishment for his heinous act.

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Moral Responsibility

Moral responsibility in the biblical context refers to the obligation of individuals to act according to God's commandments and ethical principles. It is rooted in the belief that humans, created in the image of God (Genesis 1:27), possess the capacity to discern right from wrong and are accountable for their actions. The Bible emphasizes that moral responsibility is not only about personal conduct but also involves the welfare of others and the community.

The concept of moral responsibility is evident throughout Scripture. In Deuteronomy 30:19, Moses presents the Israelites with a choice between life and death, blessing and curse, urging them to "choose life, so that you and your descendants may live." This passage underscores the importance of making choices aligned with God's will. Similarly, in Micah 6:8, the prophet declares, "He has shown you, O man, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you but to act justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God?"

The New Testament further elaborates on moral responsibility through the teachings of Jesus and the apostles. Jesus' Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7) provides a comprehensive guide to righteous living, emphasizing internal purity and the spirit of the law over mere external compliance. In Matthew 5:16, Jesus instructs His followers, "Let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven."

The apostle Paul also addresses moral responsibility, particularly in his letters to the early churches. In Romans 14:12, he writes, "So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God." This statement highlights the personal accountability each believer has before God. Paul further encourages believers to bear one another's burdens (Galatians 6:2) and to live in a manner worthy of their calling (Ephesians 4:1).
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Topical Bible: Moral Responsibility and Silence

I understand not everyone believes the Bible;  however, we are talking about basic commands that are enshrined in law such as "thou shalt not kill".  Everyone knows these laws and should be held accountable equally without some loophole that they were not in their right mind when they committed the crime.  Such excuses are purely subjective and are used to escape justice.  Psychiatry has invented these loopholes and the general public and political leaders have swallowed it completely.  It has destroyed out system of justice.

One appalling example is the man who murdered his kids in Merritt years ago.  He was held in some kind of mental facility since that time, but recently was released into community, possibly the Vancouver or lower mainland area, with a new name.  Another case was the man who beheaded a passenger on a Greyhound bus.  He was released after a few years.

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[eyeball]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

I understand not everyone believes the Bible;  however, we are talking about basic commands that are enshrined in law such as "thou shalt not kill".

When you are detached from reality by means of schizophrenia you are not thou.

The Bible doesn't mention mental illness. The terms profound emotional distress, severe psychological turmoil, and cognitive breakdown are nowhere to be found.

You'll see terms like madness, astonishment of heart, or physical descriptions but the Bible also makes it clear the victims of these conditions are not responsible.

The Lord will afflict you with madness, blindness and confusion of mind. (Deuteronomy 28:28)

There is actual physical damage to brain tissue in the case of schizophrenia. WTF does God think he's doing?  He must be out of his mind.

Edited June 17 by eyeball

[blackbird]

11 hours ago, eyeball said:

When you are detached from reality by means of schizophrenia you are not thou.

The Bible doesn't mention mental illness. The terms profound emotional distress, severe psychological turmoil, and cognitive breakdown are nowhere to be found.

You'll see terms like madness, astonishment of heart, or physical descriptions but the Bible also makes it clear the victims of these conditions are not responsible.

The Lord will afflict you with madness, blindness and confusion of mind. (Deuteronomy 28:28)

There is actual physical damage to brain tissue in the case of schizophrenia. WTF does God think he's doing?  He must be out of his mind.

Personally I don't buy into the NCR defense for various reasons.  For one thing it is often impossible to tell.  It often rests on some very clever and expensive lawyer who knows how to spin it and they bring in some psychiatrist.  Psychiatry in this area is a very subjective and theoretical area.  It is often just a matter of opinion.  Also psychiatrists to some degree may be a kind of cult and they are committed to theoretical beliefs.  That's how they make their living, so what do you expect? There is no scientific basis for much of psychiatry.  It is built on theories invented by people like Sigmund Freud. 

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Freud's Psychiatric Theories

Sigmund Freud's psychiatric theories are foundational to modern psychology, particularly in the field of psychoanalysis. His theories include:

The Id, Ego, and Superego: Freud's model of the psyche, where the Id represents primitive drives, the Ego is the conscious and rational part, and the Superego is the moral conscience. 

Psychosexual Stages: Freud proposed that children go through several stages of psychosexual development, each with its own set of conflicts and resolutions. Fixation at any stage can lead to adult personality traits. 

The Unconscious Mind: Freud believed that the unconscious contains powerful thoughts and feelings that influence behavior and decision-making. 

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There are a lot of conflicting beliefs about Freud's theories.  Many rejected his theories as not credible.  They reject his claims of an Id, Ego, and Superego.

All of it is just pure theory and quite possibly false.   

The point is if the justice system goes by this kind of thing, fundamental justice is denied.  It is the victim's family who suffers for it.  There is no justice and society is put in danger.  Criminals know they might be able to get away with murder.  Nobody is safe.  The murderer gets off.

 

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[eyeball]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

Personally I don't buy into the NCR defense for various reasons.  For one thing it is often impossible to tell.  It often rests on some very clever and expensive lawyer who knows how to spin it and they bring in some psychiatrist.

Do they ever bring in a priest to spin Deuteronomy 28:28?

That should really clinch it don't you think?

[John Johnston]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Personally I don't buy into the NCR defense for various reasons.  For one thing it is often impossible to tell.  It often rests on some very clever and expensive lawyer who knows how to spin it and they bring in some psychiatrist.  Psychiatry in this area is a very subjective and theoretical area.  It is often just a matter of opinion.  Also psychiatrists to some degree may be a kind of cult and they are committed to theoretical beliefs.  That's how they make their living, so what do you expect? There is no scientific basis for much of psychiatry.  It is built on theories invented by people like Sigmund Freud. 

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Freud's Psychiatric Theories

Sigmund Freud's psychiatric theories are foundational to modern psychology, particularly in the field of psychoanalysis. His theories include:

The Id, Ego, and Superego: Freud's model of the psyche, where the Id represents primitive drives, the Ego is the conscious and rational part, and the Superego is the moral conscience. 

Psychosexual Stages: Freud proposed that children go through several stages of psychosexual development, each with its own set of conflicts and resolutions. Fixation at any stage can lead to adult personality traits. 

The Unconscious Mind: Freud believed that the unconscious contains powerful thoughts and feelings that influence behavior and decision-making. 

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All of this is just pure theory and quite possibly false.   

The point is if the justice system goes by this kind of thing, fundamental justice is denied.  It is the victim's family who suffers for it.  There is no justice and society is put in danger.  Criminals know they might be able to get away with murder.  Nobody is safe.  The murderer gets off.

 

Ok there Doctor Internet. 

[herbie]

"Not Criminally Responsible" should be abolished from the legal system

No it shouldn't it's a basic principle of law.

That's why you're not a Judge and never will be.

[blackbird]

23 minutes ago, herbie said:

"Not Criminally Responsible" should be abolished from the legal system

No it shouldn't it's a basic principle of law.

That's why you're not a Judge and never will be.

That's why we have murderers released into society with new names.  Thanks to people like you.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, John Johnston said:

Ok there Doctor Internet. 

We have mental institutions for people who lose their minds and commit serious crimes.  The problem is serious murderers who got off on NCR are then later often released back into society by people who don't care about the protection of society or justice, people like yourself.

 No murderer whether some psychiatrist claims he didn't know what he was doing should ever be released back into society.   Who can guarantee he will never commit the same crime again?  If he was mentally detached from reality when he murdered his family one time, who says he will not commit murder again and then claim he was not criminally responsible?   The system is completely flawed.

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[herbie]

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

That's why we have murderers released into society with new names.  Thanks to people like you.

WTF do either NCR or 'people like me' have to do with people changing their names?

[blackbird]

25 minutes ago, herbie said:

WTF do either NCR or 'people like me' have to do with people changing their names?

It's people like you that are the reason we have an NCR law and dangerous murderers being released back into society.  Same thing with the catch and release system that has been releasing offenders with long records of sometimes more than fifty arrests and offences.  It is well known you support soft-on-crime laws that we have from the Liberals (with the support of the NDP).

[herbie]

oh, you mean nrmaql people like me that understand mentally challenged people can't be judged the same as competent ones? 
Unlike those who no pumichemtn is severe and Biblical enough in these lax modern times.

Yeo, caught with a joint three times - life without psrole in solitary with only bread and water.

[Gaétan]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

It's people like you that are the reason we have an NCR law and dangerous murderers being released back into society.  Same thing with the catch and release system that has been releasing offenders with long records of sometimes more than fifty arrests and offences.  It is well known you support soft-on-crime laws that we have from the Liberals (with the support of the NDP).

The rule you apply to others also applies to you. So if you condemn others, you will be condemned as well. Do you believe you are without sin?

[Barquentine]

22 hours ago, blackbird said:

not criminally responsible on account of mental disorder”. 

Yeah, we should just have exorcisms or 'cast demons out'. That's the biblical way.

[blackbird]

12 hours ago, Gaétan said:

The rule you apply to others also applies to you. So if you condemn others, you will be condemned as well. Do you believe you are without sin?

Go back to the King James Bible and study again. You misunderstand it completely.

Nobody is sinless except God, but God tells us in the Bible "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them."  Ephesians 5:11 KJV

Do you think God calls you to sit back and remain silent about what you believe is evil in the world?  You have made many comments about what you think is evil so don't be a hypocrite.   Judge righteous judgment.

Edited Thursday at 03:50 PM by blackbird

[blackbird]

12 hours ago, herbie said:

oh, you mean nrmaql people like me that understand mentally challenged people can't be judged the same as competent ones? 

I guess you could say anyone who murders his children are mentally challenged, according to your thinking.  If we go by you, almost everyone who commits a serious crime must be mentally challenged, right.   You prefer to allow criminals to get off and be found mentally ill.  That is not justice Herbie and you must know it.  

Just because an accused person's lawyer claims his client was mentally ill at the time he committed the murder doesn't mean he should get off and sent to a mental home for a few years.  True justice means an offender faces justice with no excuses for the crime.  Like many areas, Canada has chosen to destroy justice and now finds itself on the slippery slope.  How is it that people with dozens of arrests and offences are arrested for another crime and released in a few hours by some liberal judge?  Sick society and totally flawed justice system, that's why.

[Gaétan]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Go back to the King James Bible and study again. You misunderstand it completely.

Nobody is sinless except God, but God tells us in the Bible "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them."  Ephesians 5:11 KJV

Do you think God calls you to sit back and remain silent about what you believe is evil in the world?  You have made many comments about what you think is evil so don't be a hypocrite.   Judge righteous judgment.

If you call yourself a Christian, then it’s Christ’s message you should carry — not the message of just any preacher

[blackbird]

14 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Yeah, we should just have exorcisms or 'cast demons out'. That's the biblical way.

According to the Bible, exorcisms or casting out demons was done ⁹during the time Christ walked on the earth and the Apostolic age, that is, the first century A.D.  The Bible does not teach that Christians have that power or ability to do that today.  However, do you believe the Bible (King James Version)?  Perhaps you need to study the New Testament.  Eternal salvation is a gift from God.  Make sure you have it.

Edited Friday at 03:15 AM by blackbird

[herbie]

Oh Good God!
In order to use NCR the Court must determine you qualify, so give up with the BS that it's 'just an excuse' and criminals 'just pretend' to be mentalally challenged to "get away with" no or lesser consequences.

You live in a country with one of the best and most fair legal systems to ever exist, that guilt must be proven beyond all reasonable doubt The fact you cannot accept that an accused's limited mental cpacity should be taken into consideration shows a basic failure to understand basic civil rights let alone any knowledge of law whatsoever.,

Just as your posting to rail against every report similar shows a lack of understanding that this does not happen regularly and that is exactly what makes it newsworthy.

 

[eyeball]

On 6/17/2026 at 12:44 PM, blackbird said:

We have mental institutions for people who lose their minds and commit serious crimes. 

How come we can't make God accountable for all the pain and suffering he's caused?

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

Go back to the King James Bible and study again. You misunderstand it completely.

The Lord will afflict you with madness, blindness and confusion of mind.

Deuteronomy 28:28

What am I missing here?

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

The Lord will afflict you with madness, blindness and confusion of mind.

Deuteronomy 28:28

What am I missing here?

A simple Google search often gives the meaning of any verse in the Bible.

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Deuteronomy 28:28 Meaning

Deuteronomy 28:28 (KJV) states, "The Lord shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart." This verse serves as a warning to the Israelites about the consequences of turning away from God and His commandments. The afflictions described are not random; they are divine discipline, reflecting the mental and emotional turmoil that can result from disobedience. The verse serves as a sober covenant warning, indicating that persistent disobedience would bring mental collapse, moral and spiritual blindness, and crippling confusion. It serves as a reminder of the importance of faithfulness to God's laws and the profound impact that obedience or disobedience can have on the lives of individuals and the nation as a whole. 

biblerepository.com+5

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4 hours ago, eyeball said:

How come we can't make God accountable for all the pain and suffering he's caused?

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Humanity's disobedience to God

Why Is There Pain and Suffering? A Biblical Perspective

The King James Bible presents the existence of pain and suffering as a result of humanity's disobedience to God. In Genesis 3, Adam and Eve's sin led to the introduction of sin into the world, which in turn brought about death, suffering, and separation from God. The Bible teaches that suffering is a natural consequence of sin, both personal and collective, and that God allows it to discipline His people, helping them grow in holiness and faith. The Bible also explains that suffering can build spiritual character and perseverance, serving God's divine purposes. 

Bible Hub+4

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Humans don't "make God accountable for anything".  Perhaps you need to understand who God is.  God is omniscient (all knowing), omnipotent (all powerful), omnipresent (God's spirit is present everywhere.  God is separate from the created universe although he created it.  God is comprised of the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit,  three persons in one God.  God is just and yet merciful.  God created us and therefore man does not judge God.  God set the rules or command in his written revelation.  It is important to realize we are as specks of dust on the earth and God is infinite.  God created humans with a soul and spirit.  Human life does not end when the body dies.  The soul lives on either in heaven or in hell.  It is wise to read his word, the King James Bible, and learn what God expects of us in this world.  Our eternal destiny depends on it.

[eyeball]

12 hours ago, blackbird said:

A simple Google search often gives the meaning of any verse in the Bible.

Yes I know Christianity blames the mentally ill for being ill.

Do you beat your kids when they come home with a cold?

[blackbird]

On 6/18/2026 at 1:21 PM, herbie said:

Oh Good God!
In order to use NCR the Court must determine you qualify, so give up with the BS that it's 'just an excuse' and criminals 'just pretend' to be mentalally challenged to "get away with" no or lesser consequences.

You live in a country with one of the best and most fair legal systems to ever exist, that guilt must be proven beyond all reasonable doubt The fact you cannot accept that an accused's limited mental cpacity should be taken into consideration shows a basic failure to understand basic civil rights let alone any knowledge of law whatsoever.,

Just as your posting to rail against every report similar shows a lack of understanding that this does not happen regularly and that is exactly what makes it newsworthy.

 

The guy that killed his three kids in Merritt is now walking free.   The same with the Greyhound bus beheader.  He is walking free.   You think that's reasonable?  Shows you have perverse your thinking is if you think that is justice.