Why Socialism is evil.

[blackbird]

To really fully understand this one needs to believe in God and the Bible, in English the King James Bible.

But there are still many who can understand why Socialism is an evil failure.

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The Evils of Socialism vs the Freedom of Christianity

Worse still, socialism is not merely an economic system — it is a rival faith. It contradicts the principles of Scripture by replacing voluntary charity with forced redistribution through theft, by elevating the state above God, and by stifling the individual liberty that the Bible affirms. Wherever socialism takes hold, it corrupts culture, silences conscience, and wages war against both freedom and faith. Christians must evaluate policies through a biblical lens and reject systems that undermine freedom and conscience.

The Negatives of Socialism in History

The dangers of socialism are not abstract. They are visible in the lives destroyed and the nations ruined by its false promises. The negatives of socialism include economic collapse, the loss of personal freedom, and moral decay. The disadvantages of socialism become clear when government power expands at the expense of individual liberty. History shows that socialism is not just flawed — socialism is evil.   unquote

For the full article go to:

Evils of Socialism | Why Socialism Fails and Destroys Freedom

[John Johnston]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

To really fully understand this one needs to believe in God and the Bible, in English the King James Bible.

But there are still many who can understand why Socialism is an evil failure.

quote

The Evils of Socialism vs the Freedom of Christianity

Worse still, socialism is not merely an economic system — it is a rival faith. It contradicts the principles of Scripture by replacing voluntary charity with forced redistribution through theft, by elevating the state above God, and by stifling the individual liberty that the Bible affirms. Wherever socialism takes hold, it corrupts culture, silences conscience, and wages war against both freedom and faith. Christians must evaluate policies through a biblical lens and reject systems that undermine freedom and conscience.

The Negatives of Socialism in History

The dangers of socialism are not abstract. They are visible in the lives destroyed and the nations ruined by its false promises. The negatives of socialism include economic collapse, the loss of personal freedom, and moral decay. The disadvantages of socialism become clear when government power expands at the expense of individual liberty. History shows that socialism is not just flawed — socialism is evil.   unquote

For the full article go to:

Evils of Socialism | Why Socialism Fails and Destroys Freedom

Take your Geritol. 

[herbie]

Why Scripture is Evil.

Mainly because true believers think it is the truth, use it to justify behaviours contrary to everything in the New Testament, and allow it to replace critical thinking and reason because it is just so much easier...

The rest of Canada needs to adopt Quebec's secularism laws

Ignore the obvious anti-Islamic slant of the argument and apply it to ALL religions, remembering lingering resentment of how Quebec was so politically influenced by the Catholic church.

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Why Scripture is Evil.

Mainly because true believers think it is the truth, use it to justify behaviours contrary to everything in the New Testament, and allow it to replace critical thinking and reason because it is just so much easier...

You are not making any sense at all.  You just spout any kind of nonsense that wanders into your head.

You're also not addressing the subject, which is, why Socialism is evil.  It doesn't take much thinking to know that.

Socialism, Communism and Marxism are all related and similar ideologies.  They are completely against the Bible as explained in the article I linked to.  The big points are Socialism steals from those that have to give to others but it often results in a large, failed bureaucracy that just can't manage itself.  Individual citizens lose their freedom as government becomes Big Brother, society morally decays as Canada is now, and the economy collapses.  There is nothing in the Bible to support an authoritarian system such as Communism or Socialism.  Incidentally you are talking total nonsense in saying Scripture is evil.  Scripture came from God and if you don't believe in the God of the Bible, you have a big problem.

[herbie]

Like I have said, tear your Bible in half and throw away the first Book, the find something to rail about.

Nowhere in either one states those in need should be abandoned by their society, more like how a society should act as it tells you how to personally.

[I am Groot]

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

 

The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage." - Alexander Fraser Tytler

[Barquentine]

16 hours ago, blackbird said:

Scripture came from God and if you don't believe in the God of the Bible, you have a big problem.

Scripture came from men and if you don't know that you have a big problem.

[Barquentine]

16 hours ago, blackbird said:

There is nothing in the Bible to support an authoritarian system such as Communism or Socialism

Does the bible support oligarchy, dictatorship, gilded age, survival of the fittest, law of the jungle...? What social policies would you do away with? Our medical system, old age security, unemployment insurance, progressive taxation...?

100% of the bible was written by men and they weren't taking dictation from some god.

[Barquentine]

38 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

Or does it fall when some demagogue finds a way to harness hate and ignorance, funded by greed and hidden power to sucker the citizens down the wrong path. Liars have always been able to get people to vote against their own best interests. It's the greed at the top, not at the bottom, that kills democracy!

[I am Groot]

1 minute ago, Barquentine said:

Or does it fall when some demagogue finds a way to harness hate and ignorance, funded by greed and hidden power to sucker the citizens down the wrong path. Liars have always been able to get people to vote against their own best interests. It's the greed at the top, not at the bottom, that kills democracy!

Yeahhhh, no.

There's always been greed. Always been demagogues, always been ignorance. Was there less of this a hundred years ago than there is now? The difference was that a hundred years ago, people couldn't vote themselves free benefits because there were no government benefits. Go back a hundred and fifty years, and the government was a shell, with little power to do much, and voting rights restricted to men who owned property.

But we didn't have the concept in our collective heads that productive citizens should be taxed to give a healthy man money for doing nothing for an indefinite period. Now we do it for people who weren't born here and weren't invited, who just arrived, sat down and held out their palms!

[herbie]

4 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Scripture came from men and if you don't know that you have a big problem

Worse, by committees of swarthy Mediterranean men only who thought the Earth was flat, and the sun revolved around it,All with their own agendas and the the overall intent to maintain the status quo.

the Pinstripes barbershop quartet sings: Who took the fun out of fun-duh-mental?

[blackbird]

6 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Scripture came from men and if you don't know that you have a big problem.

Those men were inspired by God to write what they wrote.  That has been the position of Christianity for millennia.

The fact of God's existence is evident in the creation as well as what the Bible records.

When we consider the creation such as the atomic particles and the laws of physics that control their movement and actions, we that is clearly something that would have required an all powerful, infinitely intelligent Creator to create it.  Also consider he most basic cell.  It contains a vast amount of data or information that governs how it works and multiplies.  That also is another example of our Creator's handwork.  The whole universe and all the life forms on earth had to have an intelligent Creator and it simply would not exist.  

The Bible explains God's purpose in creation and in creating mankind.  It gives his plans for mankind.

Understanding all this requires some study.  For some people it might be a journey to learn about God and what he has revealed in his written revelation, in English, the King James Bible.

"

Conclusion

The Bible originated from a combination of divine inspiration and human authorship, emerging within the historical, cultural, and linguistic context of the ancient Near East. Its texts, written over centuries by prophets, kings, priests, and apostles, were preserved, transmitted, and compiled into the Old and New Testaments. The canonization process, along with translations and manuscript evidence, ensures that the Bible’s message continues to be accessible and authoritative for believers worldwide.

The Bible’s origin reflects both God’s initiative to communicate with humanity and the human participation in recording and transmitting His revelation. It is a testament to the enduring power of Scripture, which informs faith, provides guidance, and offers hope. By understanding where the Bible originated, believers can deepen their appreciation for its authority, trustworthiness, and relevance in daily life.

Ultimately, the Bible stands as a unique and divinely inspired record of God’s interaction with humanity, bridging history, culture, and spirituality. Its origin underscores God’s desire to make His truth known, guiding believers to wisdom, righteousness, and a closer relationship with Him through the revelation of His Word.   unquote

For full article:

Where Did The Bible Come From? Uncovering The Origin Of The Bible

Atheism is a dead end of hopelessness.  Believing atheism offers nothing.  Simple internet searches leads to many articles on the Bible and related subjects.  It is an easy way to find out more about it.

 

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Worse, by committees of swarthy Mediterranean men only who thought the Earth was flat, and the sun revolved around it,All with their own agendas and the the overall intent to maintain the status quo.

I don't know whether the men who wrote the Bible believed the earth was flat or the sun revolved around it.  That is not really the subject of the Bible even though many anti-Bible people like to throw that out as some kind of fact.  It is not.  The Bible is not a science book and doesn't claim to be, although it describes things about God creating the universe.  That has always been a stumbling block for many people.  They seem to be trying to reconcile the Bible with man-made science, which is a big mistake.  The Bible is a supernatural book which men wrote under the inspiration of God.  Many humans think somehow that everything that happened must be explained in terms of man-made science, forgetting that God is not a man and owes nothing to man in the way of explaining anything.  The Bible requires faith and it is perfectly reasonable to believe that God created the universe out of nothing.

[herbie]

Regardless is the fact that rues communism is the epitome of Christian teachings yet you call it evil as it's never been implemented successfully. You imply it must be accompanied ny totalitarianism with no democratic input.

Reread the words you worship, ad Jesus did not praise the moneylenders and recognized the realm of mankind  (Casesar) without either praising nor condemning it.What's bext? Condemning Juda only for the 30 pieces of silver because he could have got way more?

[suds]

Let's try and not confuse pure Socialism (which I consider to be a failed man made ideology) with socialist policies which serve Capitalist economies with social safety nets. Capitalism on the other hand, emerged spontaneously and has evolved over the centuries because it works. Even China has realized that. What either one has to do with the bible I have no idea.

[eyeball]

48 minutes ago, suds said:

Let's try and not confuse pure Socialism (which I consider to be a failed man made ideology) with socialist policies which serve Capitalist economies with social safety nets.

An ideology? People have been socializing and trying to get along and cooperate for their collective well being since before we climbed down from the trees.

Pure capitalism? You make it sound like socialism ruined capitalism. 

55 minutes ago, suds said:

Capitalism on the other hand, emerged spontaneously and has evolved over the centuries because it works. Even China has realized that. What either one has to do with the bible I have no idea.

Capitalism probably works because socialists have had a big hand in making it serve society not the other way around. If pure capitalism had remaind the norm I suspect most of the world would resemble a Dickensian wasteland. With bleak, squalid, and impoverished social conditions. Where child labor was ubiquitous, disease was prevalent and where society would be overseen by a harsh bureaucracy.  Extreme social and economic inequality would be the typical human experience.

Violent resistance and revolution would be inevitable.

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Regardless is the fact that rues communism is the epitome of Christian teachings yet you call it evil as it's never been implemented successfully.

This is a summary of an article on it.  Communism is definitely not the epitome of Christian teaching.  Not sure where you got that claim.

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8. Summary of Scriptural Perspective

• The Bible acknowledges private property and instructs against stealing.

• God’s people are expected to be generous, caring for the poor out of love and gratitude-never from compulsion by the state.

• Early church sharing was voluntary and inspired by the Holy Spirit, not mandated by an external political system.

• Believers are called to honor authorities unless such authorities contradict God’s commands.

• Genuine love, manifested through charitable giving and work ethic, forms the foundation for communal well-being, rather than enforced redistribution.

From this vantage, while Scripture unambiguously encourages believers to be selfless, generous, and mindful of the less fortunate, it does not endorse a government-imposed communistic structure. Instead, it emphasizes responsible stewardship, voluntary charity, respect for legitimate ownership, and heartfelt obedience to God as the path to justice and communal flourishing.    unquote

What is the Bible's perspective on communism?

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Regardless is the fact that rues communism is the epitome of Christian teachings yet you call it evil as it's never been implemented successfully.

It has been attempted in a number of countries such as Russia, the USSR, China and other places.

"The total number of people killed by communist regimes is estimated to be between 100 million and 148 million. This estimate includes mass killings during various communist regimes, such as the Soviet Union, China, and others, and encompasses deaths from executions, famine, and other forms of repression. 

 

Wikipedia

[eyeball]

31 minutes ago, blackbird said:

It has been attempted in a number of countries such as Russia, the USSR, China and other places.

Attempted by communist political parties. The appalling death tolls at the hands of the government's these parties formed had nothing at all to do with socialism they were due to their determination to attain power and never let it go.

It's no wonder socialism there failed in the hands of such sociopaths.

[blackbird]

52 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Attempted by communist political parties. The appalling death tolls at the hands of the government's these parties formed had nothing at all to do with socialism they were due to their determination to attain power and never let it go.

It's no wonder socialism there failed in the hands of such sociopaths.

Socialism failed on other places as well.  People demand everything from government. They are walking a dangerous path

[suds]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

An ideology? People have been socializing and trying to get along and cooperate for their collective well being since before we climbed down from the trees.

Pure capitalism? You make it sound like socialism ruined capitalism. 

Capitalism probably works because socialists have had a big hand in making it serve society not the other way around. If pure capitalism had remaind the norm I suspect most of the world would resemble a Dickensian wasteland. With bleak, squalid, and impoverished social conditions. Where child labor was ubiquitous, disease was prevalent and where society would be overseen by a harsh bureaucracy.  Extreme social and economic inequality would be the typical human experience.

Violent resistance and revolution would be inevitable.

Communism/Socialism, Marx used the two words interchangeably. Many don't, and is why I used the term 'pure Socialism' to avoid confusion. Pure Capitalism would be Laissez-faire Capitalism and I doubt anyone really wants to go back to those long gone days.  And it's a good thing Capitalism works as well as it does, because it's the golden goose that pays for all those social programs.

[herbie]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

The total number of people killed by communist regime

Again, you cannot distinguish between the idea and what the totalitarians put in practice. 

Did you those those Democratic Socialist People's Republics were or even intended to be any of those things? You live in BC, yoiu must realize the same group of people run from one label to another if they think it will help theirt cause.

[suds]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Attempted by communist political parties. The appalling death tolls at the hands of the government's these parties formed had nothing at all to do with socialism they were due to their determination to attain power and never let it go.

It's no wonder socialism there failed in the hands of such sociopaths.

Perhaps some Communists had good intentions. But what usually happens when things start to go wrong (as it always does) the state is forced to use coercion, force, threats, or whatever, on its people to hold everything together. It wasn't meant to be that way though, eventually the state was supposed to wither away which of course never does. Who'd want to give up all that power? As I've said... it was a failed ideology.

[eyeball]

39 minutes ago, suds said:

Perhaps some Communists had good intentions. But what usually happens when things start to go wrong (as it always does) the state is forced to use coercion, force, threats, or whatever, on its people to hold everything together. It wasn't meant to be that way though, eventually the state was supposed to wither away which of course never does. Who'd want to give up all that power? As I've said... it was a failed ideology.

I'm quite certain there are plenty of well intentioned capitalists as well, just as I'm certain the same fate is befalling capitalism and for much the same reason.

 

[Barquentine]

13 hours ago, suds said:

Let's try and not confuse pure Socialism (which I consider to be a failed man made ideology) with socialist policies which serve Capitalist economies with social safety nets. Capitalism on the other hand, emerged spontaneously and has evolved over the centuries because it works. Even China has realized that. What either one has to do with the bible I have no idea.

Yeah, pure communism is a great Utopian idea. But like all Utopias it doesn't work. Capitalism only works for the majority with the right guardrails. Otherwise you get oligarchies and gross inequlities.

 

“Under capitalism, man exploits man, while under socialism just the reverse is true.”

― John Kenneth Galbraith