Province wide amber alert in the middle the night for this? Give your head a shake!

[blackbird]

Two children were abducted in Terrace BC, 2000 km by road from Vancouver and they woke up everyone they could in BC at 1 AM.

[John Stone]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

Two children were abducted in Terrace BC, 2000 km by road from Vancouver and they woke up everyone they could in BC at 1 AM.

The children were abducted by a 37 y/o woman. 

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[ExFlyer]

6 hours ago, blackbird said:

Two children were abducted in Terrace BC, 2000 km by road from Vancouver and they woke up everyone they could in BC at 1 AM.

That's the way it works. 

The kids could be in a car heading in whatever direction.

[LinkSoul60]

6 hours ago, blackbird said:

Two children were abducted in Terrace BC, 2000 km by road from Vancouver and they woke up everyone they could in BC at 1 AM.

Are you serious.... Really?  Do you suggest they broadcast amber alerts only when people are typically not sleeping...

Two children were abducted and the broadcast alert system worked the way it's supposed to.  You losing 10 minutes sleep is of zero concern to anyone... especially to the children and parents involved.

[John Johnston]

14 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Are you serious.... Really?  Do you suggest they broadcast amber alerts only when people are typically not sleeping...

Two children were abducted and the broadcast alert system worked the way it's supposed to.  You losing 10 minutes sleep is of zero concern to anyone... especially to the children and parents involved.

Yep. These guys are serious. It's a bizarre time these days... 

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Are you serious.... Really?  Do you suggest they broadcast amber alerts only when people are typically not sleeping...

Two children were abducted and the broadcast alert system worked the way it's supposed to.  You losing 10 minutes sleep is of zero concern to anyone... especially to the children and parents involved.

You are totally brain dead.   Look on a map and learn that Terrace is in remote northwest B.C.  about 20 hours by road from Vancouver and southern B..C. where almost all the population lives.  Millions of people live in the southern edge of B.C. and have to go to get up in the morning to go to work and everything else.  Waking all the populations of B.C. up in the middle of the night will do absolutely nothing to find these two kids.  Use your head and think a little.  There are a few towns up in northwest B.C. like Prince Rupert 90 km west of Terrace and one highway between Terrace and the other towns east of Terrace.  If you can come up with any idea why waking people up in the middle of the night will contribute anything to finding this woman and the two kids, let us know.  Even Prince George is about six hours east of Terrace.  Perhaps issue an Amber Alert in the morning when people are up and getting ready to go out might make some sense.  But nobody is going out in the middle of the night so how is it going to help?  It isn't.  Also, The woman could only travel a certain distance by car and could not reach the lower mainland where almost everyone lives.

Therefore there is no reason to wake up everyone in the lower mainland or Vancouver Island in the middle of night for this.  Whoever did it should seriously be examined and replaced with with someone with a brain.

Edited May 11 by blackbird

[John Johnston]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

You are totally brain dead.   Look on a map and learn that Terrace if in remote northwest B.C.  about 20 hours by road from Vancouver and southern B..C. where almost all the population lives.  Millions of people live in the southern edge of B.C. and have to go to get up in the morning to go to work and everything else.  Waking all the populations of B.C. up in the middle of the night will do absolutely nothing to find these two kids.  Use your head and think a little.  There are a few towns up in northwest B.C. like Prince Rupert 90 km west of Terrace and one highway between Terrace and the other towns east of Terrace.  If you can come up with any idea why waking people up in the middle of the night will contribute anything to finding this woman and the two kids, let us know.  Even Prince George is about six hours east of Terrace.  Perhaps issue an Amber Alert in the morning when people are up and getting ready to go out might make some sense.  But nobody is going out in the middle of the night so how is it going to help?  It isn't.  Also, The woman could only travel a certain distance by car and could not reach the lower mainland where almost everyone lives.

Therefore there is no reason to wake up everyone in the lower mainland or Vancouver Island in the middle of night for this.  Whoever did it should seriously be examined and replaced with with someone with a brain.

Quit whining about Life, the Universe and Everything. It's getting old. 

[LinkSoul60]

Just now, blackbird said:

You are totally brain dead.   Look on a map and learn that Terrace if in remote northwest B.C.  about 20 hours by road from Vancouver and southern B..C. where almost all the population lives.  Millions of people live in the southern edge of B.C. and have to go to get up in the morning to go to work and everything else.  Waking all the populations of B.C. up in the middle of the night will do absolutely nothing to find these two kids.  Use your head and think a little.  There are a few towns up in northwest B.C. like Prince Rupert 90 km west of Terrace and one highway between Terrace and the other towns east of Terrace.  If you can come up with any idea why waking people up in the middle of the night will contribute anything to finding this woman and the two kids, let us know.  Even Prince George is about six hours east of Terrace.  Perhaps issue an Amber Alert in the morning when people are up and getting ready to go out might make some sense.  But nobody is going out in the middle of the night so how is it going to help?  It isn't.  Also, The woman could only travel a certain distance by car and could not reach the lower mainland where almost everyone lives.

Therefore there is no reason to wake up everyone in the lower mainland or Vancouver Island in the middle of night for this.  Whoever did it should seriously be examined and replaced with with someone with a brain.

Sure, I'm brain dead and you're an âsshole.

An amber alert is triggered because two children are abducted and you're concerned about losing 10 minutes sleep.

Get a life...

 

[blackbird]

48 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

An amber alert is triggered because two children are abducted and you're concerned about losing 10 minutes sleep.

Lots of people who are wakened up in the middle of the night take hours to get to sleep again.  Doing that for nothing is totally irresponsible, especially when they are a couple thousand kilometers from the area.  It doesn't take much intelligence to figure that out.

[blackbird]

57 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Sure, I'm brain dead and you're an âsshole.

An amber alert is triggered because two children are abducted and you're concerned about losing 10 minutes sleep.

Get a life...

 

If they keep doing this for cases that are far from the population and useless to the cause, a lot of people will just disable their phones or shut the alert system off.  That will make the whole system far less useful.  It is like crying wolf when there is no wolf around.

Edited May 11 by blackbird

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, blackbird said:

Two children were abducted in Terrace BC, 2000 km by road from Vancouver and they woke up everyone they could in BC at 1 AM.

It's two kids lives. If you don't want to get woke up turn your phone off. The hell's the matter with you?

8 minutes ago, blackbird said:

If they keep doing this for cases that are far from the population and useless to the cause, a lot of people will just disable their phones or shut the alert system off.  That will make the whole system far less useful.  It is like crying wolf when there is no wolf around.

So disable your phone and shut the f up.

Imagine what kind of scum ball wines and cries about being woken up for a few seconds because two children were in serious danger and the police needed the public's help.

Don't be such a twat. I didn't like being woken up either but it's better than reading about two children being killed the next day

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

magine what kind of scum ball wines and cries about being woken up for a few seconds because two children were in serious danger and the police needed the public's help.

Just another guy who can't think straight.   Why not alert the whole country and get 40 million people out of bed?    The fact is the woman who took them could only drive a few hundred kilometers along highway 16 in a few hours.  The police in Terrace knew they were last seen only a few hours before the 1AM amber alert.  Lots of time to put road checks on Highway 16. No reason to wake up the rest of B.C. 

That is extremely far from where the population of B.C. live.  The only route out of Terrace is Highway 16.  I know, I lived in the area for decades.  She would have to drive to Prince George first if she was heading for the Vancouver area.  That is the only route out of there.   So it would take at least 20 hours to get to Vancouver.  They could put up a road block anywhere along highway 16 between Terrace and Prince George if she was really trying to travel toward Vancouver or Prince George.   Absolutely no reason to wake everyone up in the lower mainland and Vancouver Island or the rest of the province outside that area at 1AM.

And actually they found them at 3:30AM but didn't say where on the news report.  Probably in Terrace.

All this doesn't matter to you.  We know you just like to throw BS around for fun.  That's why you are blocked. 

Edited May 11 by blackbird

[CdnFox]

34 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Just another guy who can't think straight.   

Agreed, you should work on that

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Why not alert the whole country and get 40 million people out of bed?   

Because each province controls their system. That's just how it works

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The fact is the woman who took them could only drive a few hundred kilometers along highway 16 in a few hours. 

So? Once everybody's alerted if there she's not found right away they at least know about it and as they go to work they will be thinking about it and if they see something suspicious it may trigger their thoughts.

They release the alert when they realize there's a threat to a child's life. They don't sit there and try and guess how far she might have:, they make the province aware.  

What, you think that they should allow you to send in a specific notation as to what time you get up and make sure you're not disturbed?

Get your fcuking head out of your ass you dumbass twat. These are children and you're whining and crying that you lost 10 seconds of beauty sleep. So much for being a christian

[herbie]

Hey the quick issuance of the amber alert resulted in the quick location of those two kids.

So what's the problem? You suffered a minor inconvenience so therefore it's no good> A rather selfish response. Like the biatch down the street that complained that my dog barked at night at a bear that knocked down her garbage can and took a dump on her front porch?

[herbie]

There are also technical reasons for province wide alerts. In the old days they used area codes and 3 number prefixes to specify regions. Those were landlines that do not do texts.
Now most people on cellular have Canada wide calling, you carry your same number when you move. So they send it to area codes of phones issued in all BC rather than just hose issued in a specific location, no one in the area gets missed other than a few out of province people.
You'd have to locate all the active phone numbers in the specific area to limit the alerts, doable but a huge waste of resources and violation of privacy. Do you want the govt to know where you are all the time?

BTW that notice showed up on my TV too while I was watching a show and a voice over read it out.

Edited May 11 by herbie

[suds]

12 hours ago, blackbird said:

Two children were abducted in Terrace BC, 2000 km by road from Vancouver and they woke up everyone they could in BC at 1 AM.

Can't say I haven't had similar thoughts.  2000 km and at 1 AM does sound a little extreme. Be a trooper and just grin and bear it.  😏

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Hey the quick issuance of the amber alert resulted in the quick location of those two kids.

So what's the problem? You suffered a minor inconvenience so therefore it's no good> A rather selfish response.

Your usual bull reply.  I'm sure in this day and age they have the technology to select what area to issue the amber alert.  The telecommunications network is all computer controlled.  Amber alerts are simply messages sent out by computer.  Of course they can program it to send it to whatever area they wish.  I doubt very much they must send it out to the whole province.  The kids were probably found in Terrace as the RCMP announced they found them at 3:30AM, just 2-1/2 hours after they issued the Amber Alert.  So it is doubtful the Amber Alert had anything to do with finding them, but it is possible.  They just haven't said.   Could be someone is Terrace heard the alert and reported seeing something.  We don't know.  They haven't said how they found them.   Considering the location of Terrace, it would have made more sense to just issue it to Terrace and possibly towns within a few hundred kilometers.  But to wake up everyone in greater Vancouver and Vancouver Island, no.  It made no sense.   Simple logic.

Edited May 11 by blackbird

[herbie]

Rube, tell me about telephony. Only worked in that field  since 1982....

They will be able to isolate cell towers to send alerts to only specific towers to message all the phones in one area. That;s what these 'test' alerts are about. It ain't done yet.
Otherwise they only needed to do towers along Hwy16, that's the only route out in this case. They just did one a couple weeks back but previous ones didn't hit a lot of phones. My Telus phone gets than but some people on other carriers I know didn't receive them. The system also requires coordination among multiple carriers.
It's anything but simple.

I'd give it 2 years until it's fully implemented. 5 for cross Canada. ! more for the lobbying to start demanding access for targeted ads.....

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, herbie said:

Rube, tell me about telephony. Only worked in that field  since 1982....

They will be able to isolate cell towers to send alerts to only specific towers to message all the phones in one area. That;s what these 'test' alerts are about. It ain't done yet.
Otherwise they only needed to do towers along Hwy16, that's the only route out in this case. They just did one a couple weeks back but previous ones didn't hit a lot of phones. My Telus phone gets than but some people on other carriers I know didn't receive them. The system also requires coordination among multiple carriers.
It's anything but simple.

I'd give it 2 years until it's fully implemented. 5 for cross Canada. ! more for the lobbying to start demanding access for targeted ads.....

And even then they will STILL likely issue the alert for the whole province in cases like this. 

People will wake up and go to work, and they will know about the kids. That's the idea. You don't sit there with a compass pencil drawing concentric rings and saying "at 8 pm alert these people" etc.   

On top of which the perpetrator may call or make contact with someone in vancouver 5 mins after the abduction, and if the alert was issued then at least the person knows and can call the police.   "Hey it's me, i 'm bringing the kids down can we stay at your place for the night or use your cabin *etc etc*"  "Uhh sure... " hangs up dials 911. 

The whole idea of an amber alert is that there is an urgent situation and the whole province needs to be alerted in order to protect the safety of very vulnerable victims like children

I didn't particularly like getting woken up either but that's the price we pay as a society for protecting children. I cannot fathom anybody actually complaining and whining about this. They are freaking kids for god's sake

[herbie]

Very likely, because province wide is the easiest option.
On top of centralizing everything to Vancouver where they have no blood idea of geography, the dispatcher just sees town names on a list. Not knowing they're 100 - 200 km apart or even if they're connected by road.

I remember the first week they centralized dispatch at the phone company having appointments 100 km away from the last one, the next 50 km back the other way, final appointment 350km from home. Like it was Vancouver-Burnaby- New Westminster....

[LinkSoul60]

11 hours ago, blackbird said:

Lots of people who are wakened up in the middle of the night take hours to get to sleep again.  Doing that for nothing is totally irresponsible, especially when they are a couple thousand kilometers from the area.  It doesn't take much intelligence to figure that out.

Then those people will be tired through the day. So what.

The RCMP credited the alert system for working the way it's intended to and the reason the children were found so quickly. No apologies for the inconvenience to some. Intelligence isn't required here, common sense is.

[LinkSoul60]

11 hours ago, blackbird said:

If they keep doing this for cases that are far from the population and useless to the cause, a lot of people will just disable their phones or shut the alert system off.  That will make the whole system far less useful.  It is like crying wolf when there is no wolf around.

You're making the assumption that only local phones/residents were in the area when it's just as likely phones/people from outside the area were there driving trucks, travelling, or for any other number of reasons.  Amber alerts are not about you. 

For the fools who believe they're inconvenienced this bad because of an alert that didn't apply to them, turn your phones off.  And there was no crying wolf... the alert worked as intended.  

[blackbird]

13 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Then those people will be tired through the day. So what.

 

The RCMP credited the alert system for working the way it's intended to and the reason the children were found so quickly. No apologies for the inconvenience to some. Intelligence isn't required here, common sense is.

They didn't tell the public but it looks like they found them right in Terrace.  On the report I read they didn't say where they found them or give any details for some reason.  Withholding the  the details from the public?  Why?  Is it because they don't want us to know a province wide alert was a mistake.  They found the children and cancelled the amber alert at 3:30AM, 2-1/2 hours after it was issued.  That proves there was no need to send it out to whole province and wake everyone up 2,000 km away, including the millions of people in the lower Mainland and Vancouver Island who could have contributed absolutely nothing to help.  How is that helping in any way?  Common sense man is what is needed.

Edited May 12 by blackbird

[CdnFox]

Just now, blackbird said:

They didn't tell the public but it looks like they found them right in Terrace.  On the report I read they didn't say where they found them or give any details for some reason.  Withholding the  the details from the public?  Why?  Is it because they don't want us to know a province wide alert was a mistake.  They found the children and cancelled the amber alert at 3:30AM, 2-1/2 hours after it was issued.  That proves there was not need to send it out to whole province and wake everyone up 2,000 km away.  How is that helping in any way?  Common sense is what is needed.

Hey dipshit.  The whole world is laughing at people like you

Children agree not to get abducted after 8 PM so Amber Alert doesn’t wake anyone up - The Beaverton

[blackbird]

13 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You're making the assumption that only local phones/residents were in the area when it's just as likely phones/people from outside the area were there driving trucks, travelling, or for any other number of reasons.  Amber alerts are not about you. 

You are making the foolish assumption.  I never said there should be no amber alert in the northwest area.  Of course there should be in the areas along highway 16 between Prince Rupert and Prince George and even down south of Prince George  perhaps as far as Williams Lake.  But putting out an alert farther than the woman could possibly travel doesn't make much sense.  You simply calculate the time she would have left Terrace in case she was planning to leave and calculate the possible places she could reach and alert those areas along the highway.  The RCMP probably alerted other forces in the towns along highway 16 so they would have been watching for her vehicle.  This whole thing had nothing to do with the cities and towns in southern BC and Vancouver Island or southeast BC.   Simple.  Not rocket science. 

Edited May 12 by blackbird