Reg Volk Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 Quote As Democrat and Liberal governments fall, Republicans and Conservatives come to the rescue.
Hodad Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 (edited) 8 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: Well, first, law enforcement does fund some crime. Undercover officers often buy drugs, guns, etc. That is a portion of the funding. You are making a silly argument. But that is not what SPLC did. They literally funded the rally. They paid this kid to recruit and set up transportation. They even helped him secure the transportation. It is all in that indictment. Like I said, I can't make you accept reality. We have known reality for years. This group was paid to produce a boogie man. When the real villain was not scared enough, they tried to inflate their argument. They paid people to pump up the volume. And their rhetoric worked. It created a false narrative that was used as fact by MSM every election cycle. Their lies led to a terror attack on the Family Research Council. They even listed Charlie Kirk's TP USA just a short time before he was murdered. And it was all lies. I can only assume that your insistence on excusing this behavior is an endorsement of their actions or willful ignorance. Good! You kept digging! Now you're on record saying that the police are funding crime. -- The police are a scam! Can't believe you fell for their lies! Defund the police! Put 'em in jail! The SPLC paid an informant. Informants are part of the groups they inform upon. That involvement is literally how and why they have information that is valuable to the paying organizations. The end of your asinine argument is that it is morally, ethically and now LEGALLY wrong to use paid informant. Good luck with that. Edited April 23 by Hodad 1 Quote
Reg Volk Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 7 minutes ago, Hodad said: Good! You kept digging! Now you're on record saying that the police are funding crime. -- The police are a scam! Can't believe you fell for their lies! Defund the police! Put 'em in jail! The SPLC paid an informant. Informants are part of the groups they inform upon. That involvement is literally how and why they have information that is valuable to the paying organizations. The end of your asinine argument is that it is morally, ethically and now LEGALLY wrong to use paid informant. Good luck with that. oh good grief, I can't believe the brainwashed Leftist fools are trying to apologize for this disgusting behavior for the SPLC but I should have guessed that they would try. Asinine arguments - yes - defending the SPLC right now is defending racism, and that's as asinine as it gets. Quote As Democrat and Liberal governments fall, Republicans and Conservatives come to the rescue.
Goddess Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 1 hour ago, Goddess said: The Canadian Anti Hate Network, who has also been involved in staging and instigating hate crimes in Canada, takes money from the SPLC. The director of the Canadian Anti hate Network, claimed to have found this flyer at the Freedom Convoy: Stupidly, he used the same picture of the same flyer that Miami Police sent out a warning to the public about: And got caught. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
gatomontes99 Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 38 minutes ago, Hodad said: Good! You kept digging! Now you're on record saying that the police are funding crime. -- The police are a scam! Can't believe you fell for their lies! Defund the police! Put 'em in jail! Do you not see the difference? The police do undercover work to catch criminals and they even buy some illegal goods and do some other violations of the law. But they do it under strict supervision, with specific approval and follow statutory guidelines. SPLC was funding hate groups do create data that they could use to manipulate gullible voters. What they did is specifically illegal for law enforcement. What they did is called entrapment. 42 minutes ago, Hodad said: The SPLC paid an informant. No. They paid an agitator to create a demonstration that could be used as anecdotal evidence of a narrative that was not as strong as they wanted it to be. Dare I say, nearly nonexistent. And you can't disprove that because nearly every published study on white supremacy used the faked SPLC data. 46 minutes ago, Hodad said: Informants are part of the groups they inform upon. That involvement is literally how and why they have information that is valuable to the paying organizations. Yes. That is what informants are. However, paying an individual to infiltrate a group under false pretenses is illegal. The police can do it. Private entities cannot. 50 minutes ago, Hodad said: The end of your asinine argument is that it is morally, ethically and now LEGALLY wrong to use paid informant. Good luck with that. It is. It is called Synthetic Identity Frad. While SIF is typically used in financial schemes, it is still illegal. I have not checked every state, but I am sure most (if not all) have something similar to California. Their law does not require a financial gain for the SIF definition to apply. SIF - Google AI Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
Hodad Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 1 minute ago, gatomontes99 said: Do you not see the difference? The police do undercover work to catch criminals and they even buy some illegal goods and do some other violations of the law. But they do it under strict supervision, with specific approval and follow statutory guidelines. SPLC was funding hate groups do create data that they could use to manipulate gullible voters. What they did is specifically illegal for law enforcement. What they did is called entrapment. That's just pure nonsense. A. It has not been alleged anywhere (except yourTwitter) that the SPLC funded hate groups for any purpose. You simply are NOT going to be able to sell the idea that paying an informant is funding groups X,Y,Z. Nobody's buying it. B. Seriously, WTF? What they are alleged to have done is NOT entrapment. 🤪 There weren't even any laws broken to "entrap" someone. It's perfectly legal for your very fine people to fire up their torches and stomp around and chant their hate to the world. "Entrapped" into exercising their free speech by arranging transportation. lol -- Jeebus. You're just saying stupider shit to cover the earlier stupid shit Quote No. They paid an agitator to create a demonstration that could be used as anecdotal evidence of a narrative that was not as strong as they wanted it to be. Dare I say, nearly nonexistent. And you can't disprove that because nearly every published study on white supremacy used the faked SPLC data. Really? You want to say the rando informant F-37 "created" a demonstration?🙄 My wife participates in a carpool. I guess she created school. Quote Yes. That is what informants are. However, paying an individual to infiltrate a group under false pretenses is illegal. The police can do it. Private entities cannot. No, it's not. Again, you're just piling up more stupid shit. Do you not think any of this through? PIs Reporters Mystery shoppers Project Veritas Anti-abortion groups Scam-busters Restaurant critics Chatroom monitors Auditors Fair practices validators Etc. Etc. Etc. Try again--but think first. Quote It is. It is called Synthetic Identity Frad. While SIF is typically used in financial schemes, it is still illegal. I have not checked every state, but I am sure most (if not all) have something similar to California. Their law does not require a financial gain for the SIF definition to apply. SIF - Google AI Noooooope. False Wrong. Bzzzzt. You gotta actually read the links. Synthetic Identity Fraud means combining fake and real identity data to create a "synthetic" new identity. That's identity theft and yes, it's illegal. But 1. It's not a crime to lie about the reasons one is in/at/around something. 2. There's no allegation that the informants used any identity other than their own. Most informants are just shitty people involved in shitty stuff who continue to be shitty by selling out their shitty friends for cash. 3. The informants have not been charged with anything whatsoever, so accusing them of this crime is laughable 4. The SPLC has ALSO not been accused of this crime. You are once again objectively wrong about just about everything. Ask Twitter University for a refund. Or, you know, just keep on digging! 1 Quote
gatomontes99 Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 5 minutes ago, Hodad said: That's just pure nonsense. No, it is logic based on real world facts. 6 minutes ago, Hodad said: A. It has not been alleged anywhere (except yourTwitter) that the SPLC funded hate groups for any purpose. You simply are NOT going to be able to sell the idea that paying an informant is funding groups X,Y,Z. Nobody's buying it. I quoted the part that said they paid the "informant" to set up a protest, recruit people and they even helped him with logistics. I don't know how you can possibly say they didn't fund it. 8 minutes ago, Hodad said: B. Seriously, WTF? What they are alleged to have done is NOT entrapment. 🤪 There weren't even any laws broken to "entrap" someone. It's perfectly legal for your very fine people to fire up their torches and stomp around and chant their hate to the world. "Entrapped" into exercising their free speech by arranging transportation. lol -- Jeebus. You're just saying stupider shit to cover the earlier stupid shit It's a similie not an analogy. SPLC "entrapped" people by recruiting them to be white nationalists/supremacists/racists and then have them protest at political events like Charlottesville. 10 minutes ago, Hodad said: Really? You want to say the rando informant F-37 "created" a demonstration?🙄 My wife participates in a carpool. I guess she created school. Lame. He actually did create a demonstration and set up transportation for some of the participants. That is what he was paid to do per the indictment that you quoted. Did you not read it or did you just not understand it? 12 minutes ago, Hodad said: Noooooope. False Wrong. Bzzzzt. You gotta actually read the links. Synthetic Identity Fraud means combining fake and real identity data to create a "synthetic" new identity. That's identity theft and yes, it's illegal. But 1. It's not a crime to lie about the reasons one is in/at/around something. 2. There's no allegation that the informants used any identity other than their own. Most informants are just shitty people involved in shitty stuff who continue to be shitty by selling out their shitty friends for cash. 3. The informants have not been charged with anything whatsoever, so accusing them of this crime is laughable 4. The SPLC has ALSO not been accused of this crime. You are once again objectively wrong about just about everything. Ask Twitter University for a refund. Or, you know, just keep on digging! It is identity fraud not identity theft, and read the link. It explains how misrepresenting an identity is fraud. Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
robosmith Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 3 hours ago, Goddess said: The Canadian Anti Hate Network, who has also been involved in staging and instigating hate crimes in Canada, takes money from the SPLC. Your quote doesn't support YOUR BOLDED ALLEGATION. Quote
Hodad Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 15 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: No, it is logic based on real world facts. I quoted the part that said they paid the "informant" to set up a protest, recruit people and they even helped him with logistics. I don't know how you can possibly say they didn't fund it. Seriously, are you just constitutionally incapable of telling the truth, even when caught red-handed, lying in black and white? Is it a compulsion with you, the way it is for Trump? The indictment alleges that the informant did 4 things--none of which are "setting up" the rally. 1. "Was a member of a leadership chat group that planned the event" 2. "Attended the event" 2. "Made racist posts" 3. "Arranged transportation to the event for several attendees" Those are verbatim quotes. You're just a shameless liar, trying to say that the informant set it up or that the SPLC funded it. Nowhere are such allegations made in the indictment. they don't accuse the informant of leading anything. They don't accuse the informant of posting in that group. The don't even say what that group was. They literally don't accuse the informant of doing any more than being in a chat group, attending, posting, and setting up what sounds roughly like a carpool. Several members? SEVERAL? Must be the farking mastermind! -- This is a political attack. They absolutely would have made stronger allegations if they thought they could even superficially back it up. Quote It's a similie not an analogy. SPLC "entrapped" people by recruiting them to be white nationalists/supremacists/racists and then have them protest at political events like Charlottesville. That's not a simile. And you are again just making shit up. Nowhere is it alleged that the SPLC recruited someone to become a white supremacist and protest. Most informants are already parts of the shitty groups they report on. Just scumbags who will flip on other scumbags for cash. Quote He actually did create a demonstration and set up transportation for some of the participants. That is what he was paid to do per the indictment that you quoted. Did you not read it or did you just not understand it? I read it and understood it. That's why I don't have to make up my own version of it, as you are doing. 🙄 Quote It is identity fraud not identity theft, and read the link. It explains how misrepresenting an identity is fraud. I gave you the right answer. Now you are simply lying. It is a crime to create a synthetic identity using other people's identifiers. It is simply NOT a crime to misrepresent oneself. That's absolutely ludicrous. You can lie all you want, but you can't commit fraud. That's why that long list of people who professionally misrepresent themselves every day are not in jail. Lol, it's why YOU'RE not in jail. Read your own link and stop making a fool of yourself. Or don't. 1 Quote
robosmith Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 2 hours ago, Goddess said: The director of the Canadian Anti hate Network, claimed to have found this flyer at the Freedom Convoy: Stupidly, he used the same picture of the same flyer that Miami Police sent out a warning to the public about: And got caught. What did the director of the Canadian Anti hate Network use the flyer for that was ILLEGAL? As is, your post still doesn't suppor your ALLEGATION. Quote
West Posted April 23 Author Report Posted April 23 2 hours ago, Hodad said: Good! You kept digging! Now you're on record saying that the police are funding crime. -- The police are a scam! Can't believe you fell for their lies! Defund the police! Put 'em in jail! The SPLC paid an informant. Informants are part of the groups they inform upon. That involvement is literally how and why they have information that is valuable to the paying organizations. The end of your asinine argument is that it is morally, ethically and now LEGALLY wrong to use paid informant. Good luck with that. Is your argument that because they are an NGO they can fund hate crimes? Quote
Hodad Posted April 23 Report Posted April 23 4 minutes ago, West said: Is your argument that because they are an NGO they can fund hate crimes? There is no allegation that they funded hate crimes. You're just making things up. Quote
West Posted April 24 Author Report Posted April 24 56 minutes ago, Hodad said: There is no allegation that they funded hate crimes. You're just making things up. They funded leaders of these groups. Quote
Goddess Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 7 hours ago, Deluge said: Apparently SPLC has been paying a few dumba$$ white people to keep the KKK thing going even though it's pretty much dead. What a bunch of scumbag race hustlers the SPLC is. They likely fell into to the usual bureaucratic trap - supposed to eliminate hate but then hate crimes go down so now their government funding gravy train is over (or reduced), so they have to create more hate crimes to keep the gravy train rolling. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Hodad Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 1 minute ago, Goddess said: They likely fell into to the usual bureaucratic trap - supposed to eliminate hate but then hate crimes go down so now their government funding gravy train is over (or reduced), so they have to create more hate crimes to keep the gravy train rolling. A. They don't receive government funding. B. They spent about $300K per year on informants. You people have very weird ideas about how inconsequential that is on a national scale. Quote
Goddess Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 1 hour ago, robosmith said: Your quote doesn't support YOUR BOLDED ALLEGATION. I posted several times on here about the CAHN and how they instigated or created supposed hate crimes. Like the one above where they faked a hate crime using a flyer that came from Miami and claimed it was from the Freedom Convoy. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Hodad Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 8 minutes ago, West said: They funded leaders of these groups. Link to allegations about hate be crimes or STFU. Quote
Goddess Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Hodad said: You people have very weird ideas about how inconsequential that is on a national scale. They get people riled up by faking things. Plus the government will use their fake information to crack down, like Trudeau did with the Convoy. 3 minutes ago, Hodad said: They don't receive government funding. CAHN does. It's also believed they were the ones who showed up at the Freedom Convoy with a Nazi flag. The person has not been identified. Edited April 24 by Goddess Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
robosmith Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 1 hour ago, West said: They funded leaders of these groups. Almost NEVER are confidential informants leaders of the group. That kind of betrayal would be FATAL for the group they lead. Quote
robosmith Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 1 hour ago, Goddess said: I posted several times on here about the CAHN and how they instigated or created supposed hate crimes. Like the one above where they faked a hate crime using a flyer that came from Miami and claimed it was from the Freedom Convoy. Fake hate crimes are not real crimes. You're saying they planted evidence? Were any charges prosecuted? Quote
West Posted April 24 Author Report Posted April 24 (edited) 9 minutes ago, robosmith said: Almost NEVER are confidential informants leaders of the group. That kind of betrayal would be FATAL for the group they lead. "The indictment alleges that an "Exalted Cyclops" of the KKK received payments exceeding $3,500" An exalted cyclops is a branch leader. Duh https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/chairman-jordan-requests-documents-about-southern-poverty-law-center-paying#:~:text=WASHINGTON%2C D.C. – Today%2C House,the event for several attendees." "For instance, one informant who helped to plan the violent rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017 "made racist postings under the supervision of the SPLC and helped coordinate transportation to the event for several attendees." Edited April 24 by West Quote
robosmith Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 1 hour ago, Goddess said: They get people riled up by faking things. Plus the government will use their fake information to crack down, like Trudeau did with the Convoy. CAHN does. The subject is supposed crimes by SPLC leaders. 1 hour ago, Goddess said: It's also believed they were the ones who showed up at the Freedom Convoy with a Nazi flag. The person has not been identified. So you have no idea who did the heinous act of waving a flag? Canada is not Germany where such an act may be illegal. Quote
robosmith Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 3 minutes ago, West said: "The indictment alleges that an "Exalted Cyclops" of the KKK received payments exceeding $3,500" An exalted cyclops is a branch leader. Duh https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/chairman-jordan-requests-documents-about-southern-poverty-law-center-paying#:~:text=WASHINGTON%2C D.C. – Today%2C House,the event for several attendees." So if the KKK EC exposed illegal activities of HIS GROUP, he was actually working in the pursuit of JUSTICE. AKA NOT A CRIME. Quote
Goddess Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 2 minutes ago, robosmith said: The subject is supposed crimes by SPLC leaders. I know. They funded CAHN, which was doing the same damn things SPLC was doing. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted April 24 Report Posted April 24 3 minutes ago, robosmith said: So you have no idea who did the heinous act of waving a flag? Canada is not Germany where such an act may be illegal. 🤣 LOL I guess you weren't in Canada at the time, it was a truly heinous act that was all over the news media, who used it to paint the protesters as white supremacist Nazis. 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
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