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29 minutes ago, John Stone said:

................ arguably a pyrrhic victory. 

Not necessarily disagreeing but why do you say that? Presumably a democratic cuba off their coast is better than a communist aligned cuba that's still in russia's orbit

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Fantastic news!  Another oppressed nation bites the dust!!

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13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Not necessarily disagreeing but why do you say that? Presumably a democratic cuba off their coast is better than a communist aligned cuba that's still in russia's orbit

Ur assuming a democracy will replace the current communist regime - that is quite likely Trump's stalking horse.

So-called 'experts' believe the president's tactics are likely more about creating business opportunities for American companies - exploitation,  than about toppling the communist regime of Miguel Diaz-Canel. 

ala' Batista

'Until Castro, the U.S. was so overwhelmingly influential in Cuba that the American ambassador was the second most important man, sometimes even  more important than the Cuban president" / Smith-former U.S. ambassador to Cuba.

Trump's game plan for Cuba would likely resemble Venezuela - regime remains, sock puppet as President.  

Cuba is likely heading back to what it was before Castro, under Batista. 

 Russia today is RULED by oligarchs - not politburo. 

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3 hours ago, John Stone said:

Ur assuming a democracy will replace the current communist regime - that is quite likely Trump's stalking horse.

Yes. And that's not an unreasonable assumption. In fact that would be the point. Whether it would be successful or not would be another matter, but the whole point would be to remove Cuba from Russia's influence and bring it in line with the United States and its models in keeping with the Monroe Doctrine. 

3 hours ago, John Stone said:

So-called 'experts' believe the president's tactics are likely more about creating business opportunities for American companies - exploitation,  than about toppling the communist regime of Miguel Diaz-Canel. 

Do things can be true. Job couldn't see this as an opportunity and he could still want to remove the Communist Regime. In fact you won't get the one without the other I suspect. That would be the purpose of military action

3 hours ago, John Stone said:

Trump's game plan for Cuba would likely resemble Venezuela - regime remains, sock puppet as President. 

Maybe but in a case like that there won't be an invasion.

"That which doesn't kill me...

Had better start running."

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4 hours ago, John Stone said:

Ur assuming a democracy will replace the current communist regime - that is quite likely Trump's stalking horse

The best they can hope for is a Puerto Rico style arrangement, but they won't even get that. More like back to Batista days.

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Winning!  Maybe one day I can vacation there.  I refused to go, despite all the virtue signaling by dumb Canadians about how they "had to go because it was the one place no Americans were vacationing", given how I just couldn't support such a brutal and evil communist dictatorship.

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The evil scumbag Greta now is crying about Cuba being freed from oppression.  How DUMB are these people???

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In my experience, any American who says anything in favour of Communism/Marxism - it is not about these ideas.

The American is simply telling me their own view/opinion of America.

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18 hours ago, Barquentine said:

The best they can hope for is a Puerto Rico style arrangement, but they won't even get that. More like back to Batista days.

Oh, indeed. 

The U.S. will likely become Cuba's patron - the defunct Soviet Union dropped their financial support with the fall of Communist ideology - that is what made the island an economic basket case. 

(digress) Federal transfers were 14 percent of PR's GDP in 2024 - triple the U.S. average and above Mississippi's 10 percent. 

Fairly certain Trump's geo conquest of Cuba tho has little to do with ideology, humanitarian concerns.

Cuban-Americans represent roughly 30 percent of Miami's population. 

 

 

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19 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Yes. And that's not an unreasonable assumption. In fact that would be the point. Whether it would be successful or not would be another matter, but the whole point would be to remove Cuba from Russia's influence and bring it in line with the United States and its models in keeping with the Monroe Doctrine. 

Do things can be true. Job couldn't see this as an opportunity and he could still want to remove the Communist Regime. In fact you won't get the one without the other I suspect. That would be the purpose of military action

Maybe but in a case like that there won't be an invasion.

Trump likely sees Cuba as a potential political win - timing is important tho.

Cuban-Americans represent roughly 30 percent of Miami's population. 

The pundits proclaim loud and long that Trump is a transactional individual - couldn't agree more- his motives have little to do with ideology or humanitarian concerns.

The U.S.  will likely become Cuba's patron - the defunct Soviet Union dropped their financial support with the fall of Communist ideology - that is what made the island an economic basket case. 

I doubt Trump anticipates Cuba becoming a U.S.. territory akin to Puerto Rico - providing 30 percent of Puerto Rico's GDP. 

Trump is after a short-term political win.................. Iran is fk'n things up tho. 

 

 

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6 hours ago, John Stone said:

 

The pundits proclaim loud and long that Trump is a transactional individual - couldn't agree more- his motives have little to do with ideology or humanitarian concerns.

 

 

 

I couldn't agree less.

 

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42 minutes ago, Reg Volk said:

I couldn't agree less.

 

 

 

A transactional leader employs a style that is "results" orientated - a style that motivates followers through a system of rewards or punishment to allow the leader to achieve short-term goals. 

Trump is not a motivational leader by any means - he instills fear(?) in his cadre / opponents by design thru innuendo, direct  threat or intimidation. 

Sorry to burst ur bubble.......... but that said, I hope u don't believe my description is  pejorative - it's his character - and he was elected - if there was blame to be assigned,  it would be on those that elected him. 

He is about as far away from possessing a military posture in speech, deportment and action as u can get. 

BTW: I'm somewhat well travelled myself. 

 

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7 hours ago, John Stone said:

Trump likely sees Cuba as a potential political win - timing is important tho.

Cuban-Americans represent roughly 30 percent of Miami's population. 

 

 

Well he's not doing bad in Florida anyway but sure, I would imagine he would see a potential political benefit.

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The pundits proclaim loud and long that Trump is a transactional individual - couldn't agree more- his motives have little to do with ideology or humanitarian concerns.

That's true of almost every president the country has ever had. Biden was, Obama was massively, clinton was, take your pick. and they say the same of the republicans for the most part. Some work harder than others to try and satisfy their interests in a way that benefits the country the most and some work less hard.

There's little doubt that trump wants to be seen as a guy who really benefited the country. Bringing Cuba out of communism and bringing it into the American fold would certainly be beneficial for the country

7 hours ago, John Stone said:

The U.S.  will likely become Cuba's patron - the defunct Soviet Union dropped their financial support with the fall of Communist ideology - that is what made the island an economic basket case. 

I doubt Trump anticipates Cuba becoming a U.S.. territory akin to Puerto Rico - providing 30 percent of Puerto Rico's GDP. 

Trump is after a short-term political win.................. Iran is fk'n things up tho. 

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The U.S.  will likely become Cuba's patron - the defunct Soviet Union dropped their financial support with the fall of Communist ideology - that is what made the island an economic basket case. 

I doubt Trump anticipates Cuba becoming a U.S.. territory akin to Puerto Rico - providing 30 percent of Puerto Rico's GDP. 

 

I would tend to agree with that assessment. I don't think he intends to bring them on his part of America just under American control. And that will make cubans Living in America very happy, it makes America safer, and will probably lead to a higher quality of life for the Cubans in short order. The fact that it's also a political win is kind of the way politics are done so I'm not sure I see a problem with it

 

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Trump is after a short-term political win.................. Iran is fk'n things up tho. 

He been so many loses some. Frankly people seem to like him best when he's not doing anything at all but that's pretty rare

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Had better start running."

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Canadians are going through the dumbest part of their history right now.  It's not even close.

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Swedish doom goblin Greta may get sued over her slur on Donald Trump during this babble-fest about Cuba:

 

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Carney and his cadre of climate warriors are shamed by the fact that Cuba managed to reach Net Zero and have their entire power grid fall apart ahead of Canada.  For shame Carney - the evil commies in Cuba beat you to it! 

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