CdnFox Posted April 6 Report Posted April 6 12 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said: Absolute nonsense. "Research indicates that societal discrimination, anti-transgender stigma, and violence against transgender people are major contributors to high rates of suicide attempts and ideation. Studies, including those from the Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law, show a direct link between anti-transgender discrimination—such as loss of employment, housing, or physical attacks—and increased suicidality." https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiBla_Wj9qTAxUnIEQIHd7sPMgQFnoFCJABEAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwilliamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu%2Fpress%2Ftrans-suicide-discrim-press-release%2F&usg=AOvVaw024dUbCEjjeba4FNJvuLgP&opi=89978449 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiBla_Wj9qTAxUnIEQIHd7sPMgQFnoECC0QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcams-care.com%2Fresources%2Feducational-content%2F6-risk-factors-for-suicide-in-transgender-and-gender-diverse-adults%2F&usg=AOvVaw3tf8r-NNg8OdyhpwgozLG0&opi=89978449 https://www.apa.org/topics/lgbtq/mental-health-anti-transgender-legislation https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211335516300882 Your data is from 2015 and only shows it can be a factor. Not that it's even common. My data is from 2023 and shows that REGARDLESS of that kind of thing trans still experience the same sorts of depression and thoughts of suicide. And mine was an actual research paper, not an opinion written ABOUT an actual research paper. If your article is to be believed ALL transgender people suffer from severe mental health issues instead of just those with gender dysphoria, a thing that is ADAMANTLY opposed by modern science. Additionally there's no control yet again. In other words the study does not compare the suicide rate against other people who are not transgender and experience job loss, financial downturns, family crisis etc. So it's just as easy to say ANYONE who gets fired is more likely to be suicidal and the trans element doesn't even play a role. It's Junk "Science". Again, here's a medical article from 2023 that shows that once upon a time the disphoria was thought to be a mental issue only but now is believed to have a substantial biological compnent Causes of Gender Dysphoria which means it's not from people being 'dissed' by their families. Sorry, the evidence does NOT support your position and it does support mine, which is that gender disphoria is not caused by people 'rejecting' trans people. I'm sure that doesn't' make it better but i doubt it's any worse than anyone else who loses their job or is rejected by their family. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CrakHoBarbie Posted April 6 Report Posted April 6 24 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Your data is from 2015 and only shows it can be a factor. Not that it's even common. My data is from 2023 and shows that REGARDLESS of that kind of thing trans still experience the same sorts of depression and thoughts of suicide. And mine was an actual research paper, not an opinion written ABOUT an actual research paper. If your article is to be believed ALL transgender people suffer from severe mental health issues instead of just those with gender dysphoria, a thing that is ADAMANTLY opposed by modern science. Additionally there's no control yet again. In other words the study does not compare the suicide rate against other people who are not transgender and experience job loss, financial downturns, family crisis etc. So it's just as easy to say ANYONE who gets fired is more likely to be suicidal and the trans element doesn't even play a role. It's Junk "Science". Again, here's a medical article from 2023 that shows that once upon a time the disphoria was thought to be a mental issue only but now is believed to have a substantial biological compnent Causes of Gender Dysphoria which means it's not from people being 'dissed' by their families. Sorry, the evidence does NOT support your position and it does support mine, which is that gender disphoria is not caused by people 'rejecting' trans people. I'm sure that doesn't' make it better but i doubt it's any worse than anyone else who loses their job or is rejected by their family. Look, its simple , f_cking a$$holes have been killing people they see as inferior for millenia.... you are a f_cking a$$hole. Im surprised you're surprised. Hatred causes deaths...duh.... Ya' subspecies piece of sh1t. Quote
User Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 3 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said: Absolute nonsense. This is why they need help with their mental illness instead of expecting and demanding all of society play along with their delusion. Quote
CrakHoBarbie Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 1 hour ago, User said: This is why they need help with their mental illness instead of expecting and demanding all of society play along with their delusion. They deserve to enjoy every right that everyone else does. That you find them inferior, makes you the inferior one because it demonstrates you lack empathy, understanding and humanity. You are a piece of sh1t. Quote
User Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 12 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said: They deserve to enjoy every right that everyone else does. That you find them inferior, makes you the inferior one because it demonstrates you lack empathy, understanding and humanity. You are a piece of sh1t. People have no right to the world partaking in their delusions from mental illness or their fetish desires. If you care so much for them, you would want them to get the help they need. Quote
CrakHoBarbie Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 1 hour ago, User said: People have no right to the world partaking in their delusions from mental illness or their fetish desires. If you care so much for them, you would want them to get the help they need. The help they need is ridding the World of apathetic, inhumane pieces of dog sh1t like you. Go f_ck yourself. Quote
User Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 2 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said: The help they need is ridding the World of apathetic, inhumane pieces of dog sh1t like you. Go f_ck yourself. See, you don't care about them. You would rather watch them kill themselves than get them the help they need. Quote
CrakHoBarbie Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 56 minutes ago, User said: See, you don't care about them. You would rather watch them kill themselves than get them the help they need. They kill themselves because of pieces of dog sh1t like you. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjwvpK0-dqTAxW9IUQIHf29LUQQFnoECDUQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.suicideinfo.ca%2Flocal_resource%2Ftrans-fact-sheet%2F&usg=AOvVaw1q7uOhsLDnikxhLvl9GdAr&opi=89978449 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjwvpK0-dqTAxW9IUQIHf29LUQQFnoFCIQBEAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetrevorproject.org%2Fresources%2Farticle%2Ffacts-about-lgbtq-youth-suicide%2F&usg=AOvVaw3YYeRNaLvUNfI0axIeN-KM&opi=89978449 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjzwcft-dqTAxVeEUQIHZ4OOTw4ChAWegQIKxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwilliamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu%2Fpublications%2Fsuicidality-transgender-adults%2F&usg=AOvVaw0LPv-phJlqlPgqV8BNdWPU&opi=89978449 Quote
CdnFox Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 6 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said: Look, its simple , f_cking a$$holes have been killing people they see as inferior for millenia.... Yes, by stabbing them or bludgeoning them. Not by calling them names. In fact there's a little song they made up about that. "Sticks and stones...." 3 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said: That you find them inferior, makes you the inferior one because it demonstrates you lack empathy, understanding and humanity. Well there's two problems with that. 1) you would have to demonstrate that a lack of empathy and humanity is somehow inferior which you haven't, and 2) i don't find them inferior. That's your hatred and bigotry making assumptions. But.... only TWO major flaws is a massive step up for you! Well done! 49 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said: They kill themselves because of pieces of dog sh1t like you. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjwvpK0-dqTAxW9IUQIHf29LUQQFnoECDUQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.suicideinfo.ca%2Flocal_resource%2Ftrans-fact-sheet%2F&usg=AOvVaw1q7uOhsLDnikxhLvl9GdAr&opi=89978449 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjwvpK0-dqTAxW9IUQIHf29LUQQFnoFCIQBEAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetrevorproject.org%2Fresources%2Farticle%2Ffacts-about-lgbtq-youth-suicide%2F&usg=AOvVaw3YYeRNaLvUNfI0axIeN-KM&opi=89978449 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjzwcft-dqTAxVeEUQIHZ4OOTw4ChAWegQIKxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwilliamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu%2Fpublications%2Fsuicidality-transgender-adults%2F&usg=AOvVaw0LPv-phJlqlPgqV8BNdWPU&opi=89978449 No they won't. And if they do kill themselves it will be because of their gender dysphoria. That's WHY it's a MENTAL ILLNESS!!! These people need effective treatment, not lies. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CrakHoBarbie Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 51 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Yes, by stabbing them or bludgeoning them. Not by calling them names. In fact there's a little song they made up about that. "Sticks and stones...." Well there's two problems with that. 1) you would have to demonstrate that a lack of empathy and humanity is somehow inferior which you haven't, and 2) i don't find them inferior. That's your hatred and bigotry making assumptions. But.... only TWO major flaws is a massive step up for you! Well done! No they won't. And if they do kill themselves it will be because of their gender dysphoria. That's WHY it's a MENTAL ILLNESS!!! These people need effective treatment, not lies. I tell you what, as soon as you can change or "choose" your sexual orientation, you let me know, you f_cking imbicile. Quote
CdnFox Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 7 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said: I tell you what, as soon as you can change or "choose" your sexual orientation, you let me know, you f_cking imbicile. Sexual orientation? I thought we were talking about gender. And I don't recall anybody suggesting that anybody can choose anything. In fact I deliberately posted research indicating that this was at least substantially biological. Here's the thing about you you have these weird preconceived ideas that are simply not backed by facts or science. And when someone points that out you have these weird Daydreams and fantasies about what kind of person they are and what they must disagree with and how they think and how they're all out to kill you You never once asked how I felt about any of this. And you've never once addressed the actual science I provided you with, and we're talking real medical studies and papers not just some article. And we're talking about research that has happened within the last couple of years, not over a decade ago All of which leads me to believe that you really don't care about the transgender issue. What you care about is hating people you perceive as being conservative. Trans people can go screw themselves as far as your concerned as long as you get the right to hate conservatives Pretty dishonest. Most transgender people will experience gender dysphoria to one degree or another. Gender dysphoria leads to depression, sense of isolation, anxiety and other mental disorders and stresses and is very unhealthy if not effectively treated. It has a strong biological component which means that without treatment those people will be miserable and depressed regardless of their acceptance in the community. That is a simple truth and all of the data supports that strongly. but hey, don't let facts or science get in the way of your hatred. You go right ahead and fantasize about me being out there killing trans people. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CrakHoBarbie Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 8 hours ago, CdnFox said: Sexual orientation? I thought we were talking about gender. And I don't recall anybody suggesting that anybody can choose anything. In fact I deliberately posted research indicating that this was at least substantially biological. Here's the thing about you you have these weird preconceived ideas that are simply not backed by facts or science. And when someone points that out you have these weird Daydreams and fantasies about what kind of person they are and what they must disagree with and how they think and how they're all out to kill you You never once asked how I felt about any of this. And you've never once addressed the actual science I provided you with, and we're talking real medical studies and papers not just some article. And we're talking about research that has happened within the last couple of years, not over a decade ago All of which leads me to believe that you really don't care about the transgender issue. What you care about is hating people you perceive as being conservative. Trans people can go screw themselves as far as your concerned as long as you get the right to hate conservatives Pretty dishonest. Most transgender people will experience gender dysphoria to one degree or another. Gender dysphoria leads to depression, sense of isolation, anxiety and other mental disorders and stresses and is very unhealthy if not effectively treated. It has a strong biological component which means that without treatment those people will be miserable and depressed regardless of their acceptance in the community. That is a simple truth and all of the data supports that strongly. but hey, don't let facts or science get in the way of your hatred. You go right ahead and fantasize about me being out there killing trans people. One doesn't "choose" to be gay. Just as One doesn't "choose" to be Trans. Thats reality. Ignore it all you like. Reality will still be here if you ever snap out of your delusions. Quote
User Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 11 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said: 12 hours ago, User said: They kill themselves because of pieces of dog sh1t like you. Nope. I want to help them with their mental issues. This is far easier and much faster to do for each individual than to expect and demand all of society play along with their delusions or fetish. My plan doesn’t hurt women and expect them to give up their personal spaces or lose out on their competition opportunities to men. You don’t want to help these people, you want to use them and hurt children to try to normalize something that isn’t normal and never will be. Quote
CdnFox Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, CrakHoBarbie said: One doesn't "choose" to be gay. Or stupid apparently. Nobody said anything about people choosing to be gay. In fact nobody said anything about being gay. We were talking about transgender people Do you not know the difference between a gay person and a transgender person? 1 hour ago, CrakHoBarbie said: Just as One doesn't "choose" to be Trans. Nobody has said that they do. You just making crap up at random and arguing with that. It's got nothing to do with what anybody has said. In fact I was the one that posted got transgenderism and gender dysphoria or substantially biological 1 hour ago, CrakHoBarbie said: Thats reality. How would you know? You're certainly not living in it yourself 1 hour ago, CrakHoBarbie said: Ignore it all you like. Reality will still be here if you ever snap out of your delusions. Kiddo wherever you are, reality is nowhere near you. me: Gender disphoria and transgenderism is substantially biological you: NOOO!!! NOOOOOO!!!! IT"S SUBST ANTIALLY BIOLOGICAL!!! Me; Sigh, Edited April 7 by CdnFox Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CrakHoBarbie Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Or stupid apparently. Nobody said anything about people choosing to be gay. In fact nobody said anything about being gay. We were talking about transgender people Do you not know the difference between a gay person and a transgender person? Nobody has said that they do. You just making crap up at random and arguing with that. It's got nothing to do with what anybody has said. In fact I was the one that posted got transgenderism and gender dysphoria or substantially biological How would you know? You're certainly not living in it yourself Kiddo wherever you are, reality is nowhere near you. me: Gender disphoria and transgenderism is substantially biological you: NOOO!!! NOOOOOO!!!! IT"S SUBST ANTIALLY BIOLOGICAL!!! Me; Sigh, Actually, you keep acting like its a mental illness that can be "cured". You say you want them to get the "help" they need. But the help they need is for pieces of dog sh1t like you to stop discriminating against them and stop attempting to legislate away their chances at heath care. You dont want to help trans folk. You want them to disappear. And, your outspoken discrimination and bigotry continues to cost them their lives. You are a piece of dog sh1t. Gfy Quote
CrakHoBarbie Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 2 hours ago, User said: Nope. I want to help them with their mental issues. Oh? You want to "help"? So, you believe there's a therapy that successfully changes ones sexual orientation? You're a stup1d, stup1d man child. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 3 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said: Actually, you keep acting like its a mental illness that can be "cured". It is a mental illness that can be treated. And we can learn how to treat it even better. Quote You say you want them to get the "help" they need. But the help they need is for pieces of dog sh1t like you to stop discriminating against them and stop attempting to legislate away their chances at heath care. You mean like I shouldn't call them pieces of dog shit just because I disagree with them? SIgh. And no that's not the treatmen Quote t they need. Is that were enough it wouldn't be a problem. As you just demonstrated people who don't have mental health issues such as myself have to face discrimination anger and scumbag Behavior all the time. It doesn't bother me. But because of the dysphoria that they are afflicted with they are going to suffer from feelings of isolation depression etc regardless Quote You dont want to help trans folk. How do you know that. Quote You want them to disappear. Based on what? Quote And, your outspoken discrimination and bigotry continues to cost them their lives. Who's life? Which life specifically? And which discrimination specifically. Go ahead and name one that I've killed Quote You are a piece of dog sh1t. Gfy The problem here is that you know very well that I'm not a piece of dog shit. What you're worried about is that you are and that other see you that way and your projecting You're the one making irrational arguments. You're the one that bases their entire argument on personal attacks and hatred and bigotry. You're the one denying the science I've made my cases very logically, backed up with facts I'm focused on the truth. All you've done is attack me personally based on fantasies in your own mind I'm not on things I've said or done The person who doesn't care about trans people here is you. All you care about is justifying your hatred and bigotry Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CrakHoBarbie Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: It is a mental illness that can be treated. And we can learn how to treat it even better. You mean like I shouldn't call them pieces of dog shit just because I disagree with them? SIgh. And no that's not the treatmen t they need. Is that were enough it wouldn't be a problem. As you just demonstrated people who don't have mental health issues such as myself have to face discrimination anger and scumbag Behavior all the time. It doesn't bother me. But because of the dysphoria that they are afflicted with they are going to suffer from feelings of isolation depression etc regardless How do you know that. Based on what? Who's life? Which life specifically? And which discrimination specifically. Go ahead and name one that I've killed The problem here is that you know very well that I'm not a piece of dog shit. What you're worried about is that you are and that other see you that way and your projecting You're the one making irrational arguments. You're the one that bases their entire argument on personal attacks and hatred and bigotry. You're the one denying the science I've made my cases very logically, backed up with facts I'm focused on the truth. All you've done is attack me personally based on fantasies in your own mind I'm not on things I've said or done The person who doesn't care about trans people here is you. All you care about is justifying your hatred and bigotry Yeah....... I've been doing this a long time. Clearly, you are a bigoted, tranphobic piece of sh1t. You cannot change a person's sexual orientation, or gender orientation with therapy. That you believe its possible, shows me, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you do not have the god damned tiniest bit of knowledge about this issue. You're just some loudmouthed f_cking a$$hole spewing garbage on the interwebs. As I've stated before, my recommendation for you is to go f_ck yourself. The World would be a much happier place without abhorrent pieces of intolerant dog sh1t like you. Quote
CdnFox Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 32 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said: Yeah....... I've been doing this a long time. Lying your ass off and attacking other people without any consideration for the facts true or the actual needs of the transgender community? Sounds believable. Quote Clearly, you are a bigoted, tranphobic piece of sh1t. Because I agreed with the medical data and science that has been produced which I cited? Sure Quote You cannot change a person's sexual orientation, or gender orientation with therapy Nobody has claimed that you could. Like literally nobody. That's something you are making up that nobody has said because you're losing an argument so you want to try and introduce something you think you can win with even though it's not an issue Quote . That you believe its possible, shows me, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you do not have the god damned tiniest bit of knowledge about this issue. In other words that thing I never did or said has convinced you! I think you're having trouble distinguishing what I say versus what the voices in your head say Quote You're just some loudmouthed f_cking a$$hole spewing garbage on the interwebs. As I've stated before, my recommendation for you is to go f_ck yourself. The World would be a much happier place without abhorrent pieces of intolerant dog sh1t like you. And you're some binch that hates trans people but loves to pretend that she's standing up for them. What a line sack of crap you are. You have no idea what I believe or what kind of person I am, you never even asked. You've never even once asked my opinion. You can't address the science I provided you with because it disagrees with you and that's too emotionally upsetting. You definitely don't give a crap about trans people. At the end of the day you always wind up crying and peeing yourself in the corner because you can't cope. Most transgender people experience gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria is a Negative mental health state which can be dangerous if not treated. They will experience that regardless of support from their immediate family or anyone else. Your study which shows that transgender people are more likely to commit suicide if they have been fired from a job four times in the last year is useless because it doesn't address the fact that literally everybody would be more depressed and likely to commit suicide if they were fired from a job four times in the last year Those are simple facts you can't argue with. We could have an intelligent conversation about how transgender treatment can or cannot be effective or what things we could or could not be doing but your claim that transgender people would be happy and cheerful if it weren't for the fact that somebody was mean to them which causes them to kill themselves is beyond puerile. Sounds to me like you actually hate trans people and this is your way of lashing out at them while pretending to actually give a crap. "Maybe if i pretend to like trans and then act like a total twat i can turn people against them". Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CrakHoBarbie Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 10 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Gender dysphoria is a Negative mental health state which can be dangerous if not treated. Funny thing is, the treatment for gender dysphoria involves transitioning the person into the gender they see themselves as. Yet, all yall transphobes are hell bent on denying them health coverage for transitioning. Are you saying that you advocate for elective surgery that allows transfolk to transition? Quote
CdnFox Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 2 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said: Funny thing is, the treatment for gender dysphoria involves transitioning the person into the gender they see themselves as. Why on earth is that funny? Quote Yet, all yall transphobes are hell bent on denying them health coverage for transitioning. What are you talking about? Canada supports that and not a single conservative has spoken against it. "Yes, gender-affirming surgeries are covered by public health insurance in most Canadian provinces and territories. Coverage generally includes genital surgeries and mastectomies for individuals diagnosed with gender dysphoria." Where conservatives have a problem is when you start doing that kind of surgery on 10-year-olds. And when teachers began to try and insist on the right to do that kind of thing as well as hormone treatment without parental consent. Which is a line we won't cross. And most of the countries in Europe have also followed suit and are denying that kind of surgery or any drugs which have a permanent effect and leave the kids sterile before puberty is done and they're adults enough to make a decision. There's a great deal of research to suggest that perhaps not shockingly children aren't qualified to make those kind of adult decisions and often regret it later in life. But there are still strong support for letting boy children dresses girl children if that's what they want You don't know anything do you? You just assume there's all these terrible people out there trying to get you and you haven't done a single inch of research Quote Are you saying that you advocate for elective surgery that allows transfolk to transition? Yeah. Once they're an adult and not a child. It has been noted that it is a significantly effective method of treating gender dysphoria, agenda dysphoria is a serious mental health issue. When have you ever heard me say otherwise? I mean since the entire time you've known me Canada's had a policy paying for this, when did you hear me complain about it? I don't like being threatened to be sent to jail if I call somebody by the wrong pronoun. And I don't like the idea that men can compete in women's sports just for saying that they're in touch with their inner vagina or some damn thing. But that's not really anti-trans that's more standing up for other people's rights. I should have the right to call you on man just like I've got the right to call you a twat. Women should have the right to participate in women's sports with Biological women only and should have the rights to not have to stare at a penis in the public showers But generally speaking I don't have a problem with transgender people, I'm friends with a few transgender people where I had grown up with them being one sex and they transition to a different one and unless I'm making a specific point or something I always refer to them as the gender to which they now receive themselves to be. I'm not doing the Z or zir crap but a transitioned female can expect to be called ms, gal, her, etc and a transitioned male will probably be referred to as 'buddy' or the like But you were so busy being a heterophobic twat that you never even asked what my views are. You're a sexist and a bigot. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CrakHoBarbie Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 10 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Yeah. Once they're an adult and not a child. I certainly do apologize if I misjudged you. But, who are you to decide at what age a Trans person transitions? The audacity of some Joe blow off the street, thinking they are better equipped than trained professionals to determine what's best for a Trans patient. It makes no sense. Just who the f_ck do you think you are? Quote
User Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 9 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said: Oh? You want to "help"? So, you believe there's a therapy that successfully changes ones sexual orientation? You're a stup1d, stup1d man child. The discussion was about suicide rates of transgenders, not about sexual orientation. 4 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said: I certainly do apologize if I misjudged you. But, who are you to decide at what age a Trans person transitions? The audacity of some Joe blow off the street, thinking they are better equipped than trained professionals to determine what's best for a Trans patient. It makes no sense. Just who the f_ck do you think you are? The same people who have passed any number of laws regarding what children can and can’t do… because they are children. Quote
CrakHoBarbie Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 1 minute ago, User said: The discussion was about suicide rates of transgenders, not about sexual orientation. What therapy do you recommend for Trans folk? Quote
CdnFox Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 3 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said: I certainly do apologize if I misjudged you. But, who are you to decide at what age a Trans person transitions? A parent. End of story. That is where the final responsibility for such things lie unless the state can prove that their actions specifically represent a failure to produce the necessaries of life (canadian legal phrase). However it's also the advice of the pros. Social media misleads young on gender transitioning, says England review leader | Transgender | The Guardian Canada one of the world's last holdouts on transing children | National Post The Myth of Expert Consensus is Finally Being Challenged in Canada - CANADIAN GENDER REPORT "We did what the experts told us" - A Canadian family shares their story - CANADIAN GENDER REPORT Canada's Paediatric Gender Medicine Must Follow Evidence There's a 10 more as well including some well noted Canadian doctors. Canada has restricted surgery so this point to 18 and older and some provinces have restricted blockers, for 'political reasons' there's been a bit of a hold out but the science seems to be universal around the world: it does more harm than good. I'm fine with it when they hit 18. Their call. And it's a medical procedure necessary to treat a serious condition so i don't mind our health care paying for it (i think my health plan at work also covers it so i guess i'm paying there too). 18 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said: The audacity of some Joe blow off the street, thinking they are better equipped than trained professionals to determine what's best for a Trans patient. The train professionals agree with not transitioning kids. However you do have to accept the fact that trained professionals are every bit as susceptible to bias and prejudice as any other group. And people absolutely are 100% within their rights both legally and morally to question the decisions of experts. I can give you a hell of a lot of examples in our relatively recent history where the experts got it wrong and people who spoke out against them were right. Remember when a panel of 10 expert top doctors in the states testified to the senate that tobacco and nicotine was not addicting? I do Have you expect people to respect your decisions and your opinions then you have to be equally respectful of theirs hear them out and address them honestly Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
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