CrakHoBarbie Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 (edited) 20 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: That world order left the US spending $22T on European defense. More than every NATO country combined and 2/3rds of our debt. The world order needs to be upended. Oh, dont get me wrong, i support every NATO ally paying their fair share. What i dont support is donalds malevolent threats and blackmail of our allies. You do know what the word "ally" means, right? "The red hats bont know much about anything, and they live to remind us of it, over and over." -------CrakHoBarbie Edited January 22 by CrakHoBarbie 1 Quote
CrakHoBarbie Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: And yet they are doing a better job of meeting their obligations and he got part of Greenland. Sure sounds like they are handling him, doesn't it? They are trying to peacefully appease a psychopath who has the power of the United States government behind him. Donalds all threats and blackmail, no diplomacy. And the red hats, being the mindless halfwits they are, are all cheering him on through their missing teeth. "The red hats bont know much about anything, and they live to remind us of it, over and over." -------CrakHoBarbie 1 Quote
gatomontes99 Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 1 minute ago, CrakHoBarbie said: Oh, dont get me wrong, i support every NATO allie paying their fair share. What i dont support is donalds malevolent threats and blackmail of our allies. You do know what the word "allie" means, right? "The red hats bont know much about anything, and they live to remind us of it, over and over." -------CrakHoBarbie Are they an ally if we are the only ones contributing a meaningful amount of money? Are they an ally if they buy our enemy's oil? Are they an ally? Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
gatomontes99 Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said: They are trying to peacefully appease a psychopath who has the power of the United States government behind him. Donalds all threats and blackmail, no diplomacy. And the red hats, being the mindless halfwits they are, are all cheering him on through their missing teeth. "The red hats bont know much about anything, and they live to remind us of it, over and over." -------CrakHoBarbie So three pseudo paragraphs of personal attacks and no substance. It took all of two replies to break you down. Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
CrakHoBarbie Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 Just now, gatomontes99 said: Are they an ally if we are the only ones contributing a meaningful amount of money? Are they an ally if they buy our enemy's oil? Are they an ally? I see. So, instead of supporting diplomacy, you support threats and blackmail. I dont. And i never will. Donalds acts like a caveman. Hes an unevolved, right is might, bully. His tactics are draconian. "The red hats bont know much about anything, and they live to remind us of it, over and over." -------CrakHoBarbie 2 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: So three pseudo paragraphs of personal attacks and no substance. It took all of two replies to break you down. Its called "objective truth". You should try it sometime. "The red hats bont know much about anything, and they live to remind us of it, over and over." -------CrakHoBarbie Quote
Radiorum Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 19 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: And yet they are doing a better job of meeting their obligations and he got part of Greenland. Oh, God, you are so sheltered Quote
gatomontes99 Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said: I see. So, instead of supporting diplomacy, you support threats and blackmail. I dont. And i never will. Donalds acts like a caveman. Hes an unevolved, right is might, bully. His tactics are draconian. It is diplomacy. He negotiated what he wanted and what was in the best interest of his country. Just because he is a strong leader does not make his leadership immoral. Maybe you don't like him because he puts America's interests first? Maybe you don't like him because he does not act like a helpless, effeminate cuck? Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
Radiorum Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 1 minute ago, gatomontes99 said: It is diplomacy. Did you watch his speech? he's a total buffoon 1 Quote
robosmith Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 4 hours ago, ironstone said: There are now reports that a deal with Greenland is close. If a deal is completed soon that satisfies both the people of Greenland and the US, will any of you guys give Trump credit for it? Trump says he has "a concept of a framework of a deal" after talking with the NATO chief. That means NOTHING because the NATO chief cannot negotiate a deal to give Trump ownership of another NATO member's land. 💡 Quote
gatomontes99 Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 7 minutes ago, Radiorum said: Oh, God, you are so sheltered Ah ok. So I am to blame because your argument does not hold water? Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
gatomontes99 Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 6 minutes ago, Radiorum said: Did you watch his speech? he's a total buffoon Lmao...yeah...he is playing you like a Stradivari. Quote Don't you think that if I were wrong that I would know it?
ironstone Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 13 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said: So, instead of supporting diplomacy, you support threats and blackmail. Weren't those tactics discussed in 'The Art of the Deal'? Key Tactics Discussed in the Book Win-Win Scenarios: Trump advocates for negotiations that create value for all parties. This approach often involves understanding the other side's needs and crafting deals that address them. Starting High: He suggests beginning negotiations with high demands or offers to create room for concessions. This tactic aims to anchor the negotiation in one's favor. Flexibility: Trump emphasizes the importance of being adaptable. The ability to pivot and find alternatives is crucial for successful negotiations. Building Relationships: Establishing a rapport with the other party is vital. Trump believes that personal connections can facilitate smoother negotiations. Use of Leverage: Understanding and applying leverage can significantly impact the negotiating process. Trump focuses on maximizing one's strengths while identifying the weaknesses of the other party. Application to International Negotiations During his time in office, many of these principles were evident in Trump's dealings with other countries. For example: Trade Agreements: His approach to renegotiating NAFTA into the USMCA reflected the tactic of starting high and insisting on terms favorable to the U.S. Diplomacy with North Korea: The emphasis on establishing personal rapport was evident in his meetings with Kim Jong-un, which were aimed at creating a more amicable negotiation environment. Pressure Tactics: Trump often used economic sanctions and threats to impose his leverage, aligning with the tactic of maximizing advantages in negotiations. Overall, Trump's negotiating tactics as described in "The Art of the Deal" have been consistent with his approaches in international negotiations, marked by high-stakes strategies, relationship-building, and leveraging power dynamics to secure favorable outcomes. The pending Greenland deal appears to be beneficial to both sides. He didn't use military force, just somewhat bold rhetoric. It seems to have worked. Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
Radiorum Posted January 22 Report Posted January 22 5 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: Lmao...yeah...he is playing you like a Stradivari. No dear, he is playing you Quote
Hodad Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 (edited) 21 hours ago, ironstone said: There are now reports that a deal with Greenland is close. If a deal is completed soon that satisfies both the people of Greenland and the US, will any of you guys give Trump credit for it? Are you freaking kidding? There was never any challenge or friction getting a deal with Greenland. We could have just asked a loyal ally at any point. Trump started a fire to feed his ego and you want to give him credit if he manages to put it out? Sorry, but no. He burned American trust, credibility, moral authority and a stable world order on the alter of his ego. Every one of these asinine tantrums costs America dearly and makes the world less secure. Edited January 23 by Hodad Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Hodad said: Are you freaking kidding? There was never any challenge or friction getting a deal with Greenland. We could have just asked a loyal ally at any point. Trump started a fire to feed his ego and you want to give him credit if he manages to put it out? Sorry, but no. He burned American trust, credibility, moral authority and a stable world order on the already of his ego. Every one of these asinine tantrums costs America dearly and makes the world less secure. They could have had this deal at any time. There was no gain. I can't believe how stupid this whole thing was. 1 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
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