August1991 Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 On 12/13/2025 at 7:58 AM, John Stone said: I'd agree that the punitive economic conditions placed on Germany post WWI contributed to the collapse of the Weimar republic and the fascists assuming power in 1933 That said, the causes that led up to the two World wars were completely different. Without getting completely into the weeds, WWI was a result of European, geo-realignment and subsequent treaties - as everyone knows the pretext was the assassination of archduke Franz Ferdinand, presumptive heir of Austria-Hungary by a Bosnian Serb. ==== Make no mistake. People in the future will remember the period 1914-1945 as a series of wars/troubles -Three Decades. What do you know about the Thirty Years War? Quote
John Stone Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 14 hours ago, August1991 said: Make no mistake. People in the future will remember the period 1914-1945 as a series of wars/troubles -Three Decades. What do you know about the Thirty Years War? Thirty years war as you know was a devastating conflict that began in Central Europe that included several regions, Denmark, Sweden, French. Suppose to have some understanding you have to go back to Holy Roman Empire (Catholicism), Martin Luther (Lutheranism), and the Protestant Reformation..... which ultimately led to Protestantism. The Thirty Years War was a religious conflict that began small ...... but over the 30 years included territory which today we would recognize as countries. It was a clash between Protestant (Christians) and Catholic (Christians). Beginning in what is now Czechia, the territory was predominantly Protestant ........ but governed by the minority, Catholics. In a move to convert the entire country to Catholicism and by extension become p/o Holy Roman Empire a bloody dispute erupted which was the squib that started the 30 years war. Sympathetic (Protestant) countries like Denmark, Sweden. France (Catholic but supported Denmark) The 30 Years War led to territorial changes in Europe - specifically France, Dutch (Republic), Sweden (Germany) ........ it also diminished the territory that was the Holy Roman Empire. Europe (and Asia) were always in a perpetual state of war - a constant clash of culture, religion. geo-conquest, heredity titles, treasure. colonialism, imperialism. Quote
paxamericana Posted January 28 Author Report Posted January 28 16 hours ago, John Stone said: Europe (and Asia) were always in a perpetual state of war - a constant clash of culture, religion. geo-conquest, heredity titles, treasure. colonialism, imperialism. And all America is asking for is Canada and Greenland to join our club. No war just peace and money to boot! Look at the ingratitude. Quote
John Stone Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 2 hours ago, paxamericana said: And all America is asking for is Canada and Greenland to join our club. No war just peace and money to boot! Look at the ingratitude. Considering recent events, China has a better chance of making Canada it's 25th Province. There will never be any military option to annex Canada..............pseudo thru economics? Maybe, but Trump would need a 4th term - the timeline is short and the Canadian economy is adjusting. I have to admit ........ blue on blue with NATO would be interesting. Given time Canada will likely become a global resource powerhouse ....... ditto Greenland (Denmark). I see the attraction Quote
paxamericana Posted January 28 Author Report Posted January 28 4 hours ago, John Stone said: Given time Canada They lack labor and capital. Something that the Americans can provide in volume. For a price, 51st. Quote
John Stone Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 (edited) 3 hours ago, paxamericana said: They lack labor and capital. Something that the Americans can provide in volume. For a price, 51st. ................. much depends on the midterm elections - lose that and the wheels really start coming off. That said a smaller bite would be Greenland - that would end NATO and knock a leg out from under Canada. At that point Canada would be on its back - with an ocean between Europe and NA. Much depends on the midterms. ya think?? Win the midterms and then move on Greenland. Lose the midterms and the political Rights rhetorical support in Congress will begin to collapse and likely turn into a rout with impeachments, investigations ............. standby, cross ur fingers and gird your loins. Like always, the Left feels the wind at their back. Edited January 28 by John Stone Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 9 Report Posted February 9 Europe is not dead functionally as Trump found out when he threatened individual countries with tariffs and got a united response from the EU. If TACO boy really wants a trade war he can have one but that would make the mid-terms even more of a disaster for his party. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
John Stone Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 (edited) On 2/9/2026 at 2:59 PM, SpankyMcFarland said: Europe is not dead functionally as Trump found out when he threatened individual countries with tariffs and got a united response from the EU. If TACO boy really wants a trade war he can have one but that would make the mid-terms even more of a disaster for his party. Most would agree that it's a global economy (Europe / Asia / South America / North America / Australia) - always will be Although the U.S. is the largest economy globally - it is not as large as the global economy. To be competitive in the global economy u need to corner the market or ............. produce the goods and or services cheaper. Not sure how a tariff addresses those concerns -seems counterproductive ........... and domestically expensive. The strategy seems to be to use coercion to force compliance on ?? A tariff makes domestic consumers pay more - it is a tax on the domestic market, promotes instability in production planning and reduces a country's global share of the economy. That said, Trump didn't get to be a multi billionaire by being stupid - granted he did have a few speed bumps accumulating his wealth. Edited February 11 by John Stone Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 46 minutes ago, John Stone said: Most would agree that it's a global economy (Europe / Asia / South America / North America / Australia) - always will be Although the U.S. is the largest economy globally - it is not as large as the global economy. To be competitive in the global economy u need to corner the market or ............. produce the goods and or services cheaper. Not sure how a tariff addresses those concerns -seems counterproductive ........... and domestically expensive. The strategy seems to be to use coercion to force compliance on ?? A tariff makes domestic consumers pay more - it is a tax on the domestic market, promotes instability in production planning and reduces a country's global share of the economy. That said, Trump didn't get to be a multi billionaire by being stupid - granted he did have a few speed bumps accumulating his wealth. A few speed bumps? He got there by inheriting wealth, lying on his tax returns, stiffing his suppliers and somehow convincing bankers to lend him ever more money to burn. His spectacular business incompetence is well documented. He’ll make far more from his unprecedented corruption as president than he ever managed to hang onto as a businessman. Trump is the WWF impression of a big shot - all gaudy performance in a fixed game. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
John Stone Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said: A few speed bumps? He got there by inheriting wealth, lying on his tax returns, stiffing his suppliers and somehow convincing bankers to lend him ever more money to burn. His spectacular business incompetence is well documented. He’ll make far more from his unprecedented corruption as president than he ever managed to hang onto as a businessman. Trump is the WWF impression of a big shot - all gaudy performance in a fixed game. The odd part is that people don't support Trump because of his business acumen .......... which u have cast some doubt on. His secret weapon is his rhetoric ......... rhetoric that targets controversial topics and by extension generates disagreement and divide to opposing viewpoints. It is what got him elected twice. .............. and will likely win the political right an encore in the House. The mid-terms are going to be controversial regardless of the winner - as designed? Then the gloves really come off. Win or lose ...........there might be blood. Edited February 11 by John Stone Quote
Nationalist Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 As I sit here watching The Donald speak at the inaugural Board of Peace, I see America applying pressure on Ukraine to make concessions for peace, and distancing themselves from Europe. And as my wife and I are preparing to retire smack dab in the middle of Europe, I'm glad for these developments. The EU is falling apart. NATO is falling apart. Soon I'll be able to go get doughnuts where they get my order right and where Caucasians are welcome. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
John Stone Posted February 22 Report Posted February 22 On 2/19/2026 at 10:45 AM, Nationalist said: As I sit here watching The Donald speak at the inaugural Board of Peace, I see America applying pressure on Ukraine to make concessions for peace, and distancing themselves from Europe. And as my wife and I are preparing to retire smack dab in the middle of Europe, I'm glad for these developments. The EU is falling apart. NATO is falling apart. Soon I'll be able to go get doughnuts where they get my order right and where Caucasians are welcome. In 2024, transatlantic trade in goods and services reached over 2.5 trillion, USD. Both the EU and US are top trading partners in goods for each other. As the European economy moves so does the U.S. economy - and visa versa. This fact had a lot to do with European reconstruction - post WWII (Marshal Plan) I mean, 'who ya gonna trade with'? What society has as much disposable income as a 'free society'? China? Ok. Quote
herbie Posted February 22 Report Posted February 22 I can't believe anyone woud actually watch and listen to Trump blab at his self serving corrupt invention of his own ego as his Board of Peace bullshit. The guy who threatens, bombs, kidnaps and murders citizens in their own countries and thinks that is worthy of a Peace Prize? Must be so completely brainwashed and deluded they'll accept black is white and light is dark if their Emperor tells them so. Quote
Nationalist Posted February 22 Report Posted February 22 3 hours ago, John Stone said: In 2024, transatlantic trade in goods and services reached over 2.5 trillion, USD. Both the EU and US are top trading partners in goods for each other. As the European economy moves so does the U.S. economy - and visa versa. This fact had a lot to do with European reconstruction - post WWII (Marshal Plan) I mean, 'who ya gonna trade with'? What society has as much disposable income as a 'free society'? China? Ok. You figure Europe will just stop trading with the US? That's a silly idea. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
John Stone Posted February 23 Report Posted February 23 16 hours ago, Nationalist said: You figure Europe will just stop trading with the US? That's a silly idea. That would be a silly idea. Over 70 percent of the U.S. GDP is based on Consumerism (not manufacturing). Quote
Nationalist Posted February 23 Report Posted February 23 1 hour ago, John Stone said: That would be a silly idea. Over 70 percent of the U.S. GDP is based on Consumerism (not manufacturing). For now. Manufacturing is coming back. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
John Stone Posted February 23 Report Posted February 23 21 minutes ago, Nationalist said: For now. Manufacturing is coming back. that is the strategy .................can it overcome a global economy - that is the question. Quote
Nationalist Posted February 23 Report Posted February 23 1 minute ago, John Stone said: that is the strategy .................can it overcome a global economy - that is the question. I'd say no. But what it can do is fortify the country he's president of, from outside influences...somewhat. Call it...prep-work if you like. Liberals today have 2 major problems. 1. They let their emotions run a muck. They see someone in distress and they have this burning need to give them aid. The obvious problem with this is, most people create their own bad fortune. 2. And this is the worst of the two...imo. Imagine, if you will, a roaring economy. Then, out of the blue, a new virus begins scaring the daylights out of the entire world, effectively shutting down commerce...for 2 fcking years. Now imagine that, for whatever reason, once this mysterious bug stops affecting us...supposedly...the government continues to way over-regulate commerce. While they do it, for 4 years they throw open the borders and invite all the people in distress to come to America. 10+ million do so...from all over the world. The economy is...drained and now in shock. Good idea huh? Right when America...and all other nations...should be gathering themselves and stabilizing the nations, they apply even more pressure on it. Why? I mean...anyone but maybe ANTIFA, would see the stupidity of this scenario. So why? For hate's sake? Why? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
John Stone Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 (edited) 20 hours ago, Nationalist said: I'd say no. But what it can do is fortify the country he's president of, from outside influences...somewhat. Call it...prep-work if you like. Liberals today have 2 major problems. 1. They let their emotions run a muck. They see someone in distress and they have this burning need to give them aid. The obvious problem with this is, most people create their own bad fortune. 2. And this is the worst of the two...imo. Imagine, if you will, a roaring economy. Then, out of the blue, a new virus begins scaring the daylights out of the entire world, effectively shutting down commerce...for 2 fcking years. Now imagine that, for whatever reason, once this mysterious bug stops affecting us...supposedly...the government continues to way over-regulate commerce. While they do it, for 4 years they throw open the borders and invite all the people in distress to come to America. 10+ million do so...from all over the world. The economy is...drained and now in shock. Good idea huh? Right when America...and all other nations...should be gathering themselves and stabilizing the nations, they apply even more pressure on it. Why? I mean...anyone but maybe ANTIFA, would see the stupidity of this scenario. So why? For hate's sake? Why? U.S. exports are more than 3 trillion - over 10 percent of the GDP Millions of jobs rely on exports ..... A nation today really can't sustain continued GDP growth by discounting exports - and the domestic market alone won't take up the slack ............. and that goes triple if it's a consumer based economy. . Edited February 24 by John Stone Quote
Nationalist Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 (edited) 4 hours ago, John Stone said: U.S. exports are more than 3 trillion - over 10 percent of the GDP Millions of jobs rely on exports ..... A nation today really can't sustain continued GDP growth by discounting exports - and the domestic market alone won't take up the slack ............. and that goes triple if it's a consumer based economy. . Who said the US should stop exporting goods? That's a silly idea. I think you're running out of arguments. Grasping at straws. You know what I said it true. Good. The raw fact is, Libbies all over the western world have acted and lead like suicidal twits. And the argument against any Conservative ideas? "RACIST!!! FASCIST!!! AHHH!!!" Such chickenshit. The primary concerns for any government are safety and prosperity. Are we safe and prosperous? No. We're in social and financial shock and it was done on purpose. NOBODY comes out of a global economic shutdown and acts to WORSEN the outcome. Nobody but someone who might want to destroy society and the economy. And what do we call citizens who act to destroy their nation? Edited February 24 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
John Stone Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 19 hours ago, Nationalist said: Who said the US should stop exporting goods? That's a silly idea. I think you're running out of arguments. Grasping at straws. You know what I said it true. Good. The raw fact is, Libbies all over the western world have acted and lead like suicidal twits. And the argument against any Conservative ideas? "RACIST!!! FASCIST!!! AHHH!!!" Such chickenshit. The primary concerns for any government are safety and prosperity. Are we safe and prosperous? No. We're in social and financial shock and it was done on purpose. NOBODY comes out of a global economic shutdown and acts to WORSEN the outcome. Nobody but someone who might want to destroy society and the economy. And what do we call citizens who act to destroy their nation? ah.................. Ok! Quote
Nationalist Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 3 hours ago, John Stone said: ah.................. Ok! Glad you understand how...anti-American your position is. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
John Stone Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Glad you understand how...anti-American your position is. I have been accused of being Agnostic! Quote
Nationalist Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 3 hours ago, John Stone said: I have been accused of being Agnostic! No. I believe I said anti-american. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
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