MAGA is goo-goo-ga-ga for spectacle

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, Radiorum said:

That just tells me he knew of the contents of Project 2025 while insisting he knew nothing about it.

The documents like 1500 pages long, there's no universe where trump read it.

And no, none of what he has done indicates he knew anything about what was in it.

And the rest of your post is just the usual Orange man bad, me hate trump stuff.

Again, it's okay to dislike trump, it's okay to think that his methods and his plan for the united states are not good or that his strategies will not be effective. But it would be wrong to say that he's charlatans are at con man unless you actually got some species of argument that supports that and so far you haven't presented one. He has done what he said he was going to do and none of what he's doing is in contrast to what he said he would do.

Somebody who does what they say they're going to do is not a con man. A con man is when you don't do what you said you were going to do substantially and that just isn't trump. If anything the fact that he does do what he says he's going to do is pissing a lot of people off

[Radiorum]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The documents like 1500 pages long, there's no universe where trump read it.

he was just told what to do

 

 

[User]

5 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

he was just told what to do

 

 

Just more of your so called desire for good discourse… ROFL

[CdnFox]

42 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

he was just told what to do

 

 

Sure because trump is a complete push over with no will of his own LOLOLOL

jeez dude, weakest agument EVER.  Trump has never just done what he's told in his life.  Even when it's a JUDGE telling him he does his own thing 

 

[Radiorum]

21 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Trump has never just done what he's told in his life.

No, Trump is doing what he wants to for himself. But as far as the details of governance, that is being fed to him on a platter. Vought, Miller and the rest tell him what to do, and he will do it. He occupies the position not to make America great, but to do what will advance his own interests. he's in it only for his own interests,

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

No, Trump is doing what he wants to for himself.

I thought you said he was doing what he was told. You're having a little trouble keeping your story straight here

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But as far as the details of governance, that is being fed to him on a platter.

Now we're back to the original one, nobody feeds trump anything on a platter. You can influence a little here and there maybe but at the end of the day trump does what trump thinks his best and nothing he's doing now is different than what he ran on. No project 2025 necessary

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Vought, Miller and the rest tell him what to do, and he will do it

And again, nobody trails trump what to do. Trump tells other people what to do. For better or for worse his ideas are his own

It is the dumbest thing in the universe to suggest Donald Trump of all people is someone who can be told what to do and he just does it

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. He occupies the position not to make America great, but to do what will advance his own interests. he's in it only for his own interests,

I thought you said he was in it because miller and Vaught were telling him what to do?

This is just a joke. You're making a complete ass of yourself.

Trump is a known commodity. The one thing you can absolutely guarantee about him is he is not ever going to do what someone else tells him to do. People can put ideas in his head they can make an argument they can suggest things, same as everybody else with everybody else. But more than any human on the face of the earth trump is someone who His marches to the sound of his own drum and does not do what other people tell him.

[Radiorum]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Trump is a known commodity. The one thing you can absolutely guarantee about him is he is not ever going to do what someone else tells him to do. People can put ideas in his head they can make an argument they can suggest things, same as everybody else with everybody else. But more than any human on the face of the earth trump is someone who His marches to the sound of his own drum and does not do what other people tell him.

You're having some trouble understanding what I was saying.

Trump sees governance as a means to an end - and that end is to serve his own personal interests - feed his ego, increase the adoration of the base, increase his brand, increase his power, increase his wealth, make him a king.

These are the things he wants, and yes, you are right, he goes after what he wants.

His motivations are not based in good governance - he is not interested in the nuts and bolts of governance - and if someone else supplies to him the formula to achieve the things he wants - as listed above - he will use it.  

[Nationalist]

53 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

make him a king.

Gee...you really are a blank slate eh?

A king you say...after your clown possy told you to say such nonsense. 

You're brainwashed. A zombie. A whiney, hate-filled little biatch.

But at least you're in touch with your feminine side...

[Radiorum]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Gee...you really are a blank slate eh?

A king you say...after your clown possy told you to say such nonsense. 

You're brainwashed. A zombie. A whiney, hate-filled little biatch.

But at least you're in touch with your feminine side...

This is the way it used to be – five presidents meeting in the Oval Office in 2009 - watch the short video below

As President Bush said to President-elect Obama, “We want you to succeed, whether we’re Democrat or Republican, we care deeply about this country.”

Trump does not care about the country, only his own self-interests.

 

 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Radiorum said:

You're having some trouble understanding what I was saying.

If that's true then you're having trouble communicating what you're thinking. And my suspicion is that would be because you're changing what you're thinking as it's shown to be logically indefensible

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Trump sees governance as a means to an end - and that end is to serve his own personal interests - feed his ego, increase the adoration of the base, increase his brand, increase his power, increase his wealth, make him a king.

You have no idea what trump thinks or how he sees things. You create this bullshit to engineer and narrative that fits your perceptions of reality and what you would like to be true. But you haven't got the slightest clue and if anything it is crystal clear that you allow your hatred and bigotry to color your thinking. So any conclusion you arrive at but isn't directly a result of facts or the like is going to be Highly Questionable.

I would say there's enough evidence to suggest he's narcissistic and possibly sociopathic to a degree but the rest of it is stuff you're making up because you don't like him and you want to justify that. 

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These are the things he wants, and yes, you are right, he goes after what he wants.

Nobody would argue that, but I'm more importantly these are the things he ran on. And again you can't call Amanda con man or say he's acting in bad faith if he says he's going to do a thing and then he does the thing.

 

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His motivations are not based in good governance - he is not interested in the nuts and bolts of governance - and if someone else supplies to him the formula to achieve the things he wants - as listed above - he will use it.  

Again, you have no idea what his motivations are. You create fake ideas of his motivation to justify your position, your position is not created from actual knowledge of his motivation.

One thing that does seem to monsterbly true is that he likes other people and the public in general to think he's really really great. It would stand to reason that if he wants to be seen as a great leader that he is doing the things that he honestly believes is great leadership. That doesn't mean he's not wrong, it doesn't mean his leadership actually IS great, and it certainly doesn't mean that even if it is good that his reasons are altruistic. 

But there's a little doubt that he genuinely wants to be seen by the people and history as one of the great leaders who forged a new America etc etc. I have no doubt that he will also use the position to further his own interests and line his pockets, just like every single president before him. But that doesn't mean that he doesn't genuinely want America to be more successful.

I have not been timid in offering my belief that his methods will not have a positive outcome over time. But I genuinely think he thinks it will. And he might be right, time will tell. He certainly does have a lucky streak in his life and considering his track record I'm not excited about betting against him at this point   I mean this is a guy who lost an election, was investigated and blamed for an uprising trying to overthrow the results, was attacked night and day legally, got convicted of a felony, and still somehow managed to come back and win the next election handily. I would have said that would be impossible as well before it happened. 

So we'll have to see how his strategies play out but if you're basing your argument on your interpretation of his motivations I'd say that you're probably walking the wrong path. And the whole 2025 thing is just silly, regardless of whether trump's ideas are good or bad or criminal or genius, they are his own. May god have mercy on our souls  

[Radiorum]

32 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Again, you have no idea what his motivations are.

You don't even see the irony of stating this and yet constantly giving your ideas about my motivations!

Anyway, thanks for the rest of the post, it was a little more fair than some things you have posted.

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

This is the way it used to be – five presidents meeting in the Oval Office in 2009 - watch the short video below

As President Bush said to President-elect Obama, “We want you to succeed, whether we’re Democrat or Republican, we care deeply about this country.”

Trump does not care about the country, only his own self-interests.

 

 

He says with nothing but a snarl.

Meh...enjoy the cheaper gas...

[Radiorum]

8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

He says with nothing but a snarl.

I don't snarl. it is not in my repertoire.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

You don't even see the irony of stating this and yet constantly giving your ideas about my motivations!

 

I can observe you and your words directly. There's an interaction. Nor do I try and assess anything particularly deep about you or your psyche. And mostly I just know when you're not telling the truth. You make a statement about your feelings about trump which is in direct contradiction to things you've written then I can look at that as an intelligent person and assess the situation and say that's not an honest statement.

Now, I have said many times said that trump lies. And I've also said that he says many things that are untrue that he probably believes are true but he's just not that bright. So in many respects I don't treat him any different than I treat you. There's no conflict there

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Anyway, thanks for the rest of the post, it was a little more fair than some things you have posted.

You're very kind  

Edited December 13, 2025 by CdnFox

[Nationalist]

16 hours ago, Radiorum said:

I don't snarl. it is not in my repertoire.

Look...you've convinced yourself the Trump's only motivation for being POTUS is to enrich his own bank account. I find that ridiculous. Were it true, he'd not have been trying to end the Ukraine war. And he certainly wouldn't be trying to revive US manufacturing. 

Your feelings about the man are irrelevant. The facts speak for themselves. 

[Radiorum]

18 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I can observe you

Yes, I have been observing Trump... and I have seen a lot more of him than you have of me.

18 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You make a statement about your feelings about trump which is in direct contradiction to things you've written then I can look at that as an intelligent person and assess the situation and say that's not an honest statement.

More gaslighting.

 

19 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And I've also said that he says many things that are untrue that he probably believes are true but he's just not that bright.

 

You think the fortunes of Trump and his family have increased by billions since inauguration because they are not “that bright?”

You think Homeland Security claims that “ICE arrests the worst of the worst including rapists, child abusers, drug traffickers, and other violent thugs” - despite nearly 75% of arrests are against people who have no criminal convictions at all - because they are not “that bright?”

You think Stephen Miller claims that Trump has “plenary authority” because they are not “that bright?”

 

 

You think Trump spews hatred and vitriol because he is not “that bright?”

Here’s what he says about his opposition:

“We pledge to you that we will root out the Communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical-left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country, that lie and steal and cheat on elections … The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and grave that the threat from within. Our threat is from within.”

 

But there are things that Trump is “not that bright” about – like the things he blindly accepts from the self-serving sycophants surrounding him feeding into his megalomaniac delusions. You only have to listen to Trump to know he doesn’t know what he’s talking about when it comes to government policy – and that is because his priority is his own interests, and (as I mentioned previously) – policy to him is just a means to an end – his personal ends.

Here he is recently at the White House (with RFK Jr. behind him) -

“Well, autism is like a whole different thing. When you look at, it was one in 20,000. Now it’s one in 12. If you look Bobby, we have different numbers, but one in 12, one in 28, one in 32. There’s a couple of different numbers out there, but it’s one in a very, very different number than it used to be. It used to be one in 20,000. And that was not that long ago, 20 years ago or so. And now they had something for boys, for babies, baby boys. It’s one in 12. I hear one in 10, Bobby. I hear another one, you know, different lists, but when you think of that, it’s not even sustainable, but there’s something artificial. When that happens, that’s not like a natural. And then you have certain groups of people that literally don’t have autism and they’re not taking some of the things that we’re taking. So we’re working very hard.”

[Radiorum]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Were it true, he'd not have been trying to end the Ukraine war.

Trump’s involvement in trying to end the Ukraine-Russia is not from a position of principle, since then he would recognize that the Ukraine holds the moral high-ground, not Russia. Trump’s interest lies mostly in investment opportunities in Russia.

 

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

And he certainly wouldn't be trying to revive US manufacturing. 

Well, he is doing a terrible job of it. here are some facts (September, 2025) for you:

Manufacturing output, which accounts for 10.1 percent of the U.S. economy, came in below economist forecasts of a 0.1 percent increase

The Institute for Supply Management’s manufacturing PMI contracted for a ninth consecutive month in November, with tariffs cited as a constraint across industries.

Capacity utilization for the industrial sector held steady at 75.9 percent in September, according to the Federal Reserve. This metric, which measures how fully firms are using their resources, sits 3.6 percentage points below its 1972-2024 average.

https://www.jmco.com/articles/manufacturing/new-numbers-u-s-manufacturing-production-remained-flat-in-september-2025/

 

Look, Trump's tariffs are no more than bargaining chips he uses to extort other nations. 

 

[Nationalist]

11 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Trump’s involvement in trying to end the Ukraine-Russia is not from a position of principle, since then he would recognize that the Ukraine holds the moral high-ground, not Russia. Trump’s interest lies mostly in investment opportunities in Russia.

 

Well, he is doing a terrible job of it. here are some facts (September, 2025) for you:

Manufacturing output, which accounts for 10.1 percent of the U.S. economy, came in below economist forecasts of a 0.1 percent increase

The Institute for Supply Management’s manufacturing PMI contracted for a ninth consecutive month in November, with tariffs cited as a constraint across industries.

Capacity utilization for the industrial sector held steady at 75.9 percent in September, according to the Federal Reserve. This metric, which measures how fully firms are using their resources, sits 3.6 percentage points below its 1972-2024 average.

https://www.jmco.com/articles/manufacturing/new-numbers-u-s-manufacturing-production-remained-flat-in-september-2025/

 

Look, Trump's tariffs are no more than bargaining chips he uses to extort other nations. 

 

Dude...they sort o' have to build the manufacturing plant first.

[Legato]

12 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Trump’s involvement in trying to end the Ukraine-Russia is not from a position of principle, since then he would recognize that the Ukraine holds the moral high-ground, not Russia. Trump’s interest lies mostly in investment opportunities in Russia.

 

Well, he is doing a terrible job of it. here are some facts (September, 2025) for you:

Manufacturing output, which accounts for 10.1 percent of the U.S. economy, came in below economist forecasts of a 0.1 percent increase

The Institute for Supply Management’s manufacturing PMI contracted for a ninth consecutive month in November, with tariffs cited as a constraint across industries.

Capacity utilization for the industrial sector held steady at 75.9 percent in September, according to the Federal Reserve. This metric, which measures how fully firms are using their resources, sits 3.6 percentage points below its 1972-2024 average.

https://www.jmco.com/articles/manufacturing/new-numbers-u-s-manufacturing-production-remained-flat-in-september-2025/

 

Look, Trump's tariffs are no more than bargaining chips he uses to extort other nations. 

 

Broader Industrial Production Shows Slight Gain

Overall industrial production, which includes manufacturing, mining, and utilities, ticked up 0.1 percent in September after falling 0.3 percent in August. Mining output remained unchanged after rising 0.4 percent in August, while utilities production rebounded 1.1 percent following a 3.0 percent decline in August.

Industrial output rose 1.6 percent on a year-over-year basis and grew at a 1.1 percent rate in the third quarter. These modest gains reflect an economy where service sectors continue to outpace manufacturing growth.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Yes, I have been observing Trump... and I have seen a lot more of him than you have of me.

No you haven't. I doubt you interacted with him directly even once. All you can do is observe other people's reports about him and selected video clips of him.  

So no you can't observe him. You can't interact you can't collect your own data, you are totally reliant on the picture other people present.

Remember the Goldfish incident? Even pictures lie if you do it right and the media loves to do that right

 

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More gaslighting.

In other words you can't refute it. Sorry that the truth is inconvenient   

And again, I can look at a statement such as the one you made about not hating trump, and I can directly examine your statements and see that it isn't true. But it would be much more difficult for me to try and assess why you have a motive to be untrue, for the like

 

3 hours ago, Radiorum said:

You think the fortunes of Trump and his family have increased by billions since inauguration because they are not “that bright?”

LOL you guys have to stop vacillating between "Trump is so stupid" and  "Trump is a criminal genious."

Trump went bankrupt for years. His wealth has nothing to do with being smart.  You don't have to be that smart to get rich, that's a simple fact.  There's a few ways to get there and trump does it with connections and screwing people over.  He is driven and he's not afraid to try things and he doesn't care if he fails as long as he succeeds jn the end, and that's a lot more important to being rich than smarts.  Einstein was not a billionaire

 

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You think Homeland Security claims that “ICE arrests the worst of the worst including rapists, child abusers, drug traffickers, and other violent thugs” - despite nearly 75% of arrests are against people who have no criminal convictions at all - because they are not “that bright?”

How did we go from trump to 'ice'?   I'm sure you're not dumb enough to think trump writes ice's press releases. They have entire companies working on public relations and media branding as well as their own internal team. Yeash,.

I'm starting to wonder if YOU'RE that bright with comments like that  

 

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You think Stephen Miller claims that Trump has “plenary authority” because they are not “that bright?”

kid you're slipping.  And your hatred and bigotry is showing. 

 

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You think Trump spews hatred and vitriol because he is not “that bright?”

Yes, i think most do which is why i'm getting a little concerned about you.

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Here’s what he says about his opposition:

“We pledge to you that we will root out the Communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical-left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country, that lie and steal and cheat on elections … The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and grave that the threat from within. Our threat is from within.”

 

and?

The rest is just more of your personal hatred running away with you. By the end of that you would completely lost your reason. You obviously couldn't even recall what we were talking about. You just got super mad and started going off randomly about parts of the trump administration and somehow suggesting that I, who had never mentioned them, thought they weren't that bright or something which is dumb.

 

And this brings us back to the beginning. I can see you, I can interact with you, I can directly read your words. So it's very easy for me to determine that when you say you don't hate trump and don't have any feelings one way or the other that you're absolutely lying. It is extremely clear that you do and that as you were typing that you were getting angrier and angrier.

But it would be very difficult to look at trump and understand his motivations with the absolutely limited contact you have.

So what you said before was not something you said because it was accurate, You said it because it fit a narrative.

Honestly your rant went a lot further to proving my point than yours

[WestCanMan]

On 12/12/2025 at 2:47 PM, Radiorum said:

he was just told what to do

As a Demmie cultist, no doubt you think it's normal for the president to sleep all day and make poopies in his diapy while some unelected cultists run the auto-pen across documents that the president has never seen or heard of, but you and I both know that Trump isn't being led around by the hand like Biduhhh was. 

Are you serious? You really think that Trump is being controlled by someone else? GFYS, terrorist-lover.