Epstein Transparency Act Passed Nearly Unanimously Trump Promises to Sign It

[User]

10 hours ago, herbie said:

After years of scrubbing and redactions and now ordering new active investigations to hide even more.
Hopefully to delay until the Emperor's Volksgerichtshof   is fully set up.

Oh man... what a conspiracy that even the Democrats and Biden were in on it too! 

[gatomontes99]

9 hours ago, robosmith said:

Man if you knew what you're talking about, you'd have posted ACTUAL EVIDENCE instead of ^BULLSHIT.

He does know what he is talking about. You don't.

House Democrat exchanged texts with Epstein on how to hurt Trump during 2019 congressional hearing: docs

[SpankyMcFarland]

I thought of a line from Macbeth when watching MTG’s resignation speech tonight: ‘nothing became his life as the leaving of it’.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/11/21/marjorie-taylor-greene-resign-trump-epstein-mtg.html

In fairness, it’s her political life we are talking about and not a clear end either but she did seem to commit herself heart and soul to releasing the Epstein files and came under horrible pressure to abandon that cause. It is to her credit that she saw it through. 

 

[User]

18 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

It is to her credit that she saw it through. 

LOL, you never even cared about this until it became a politically bully club to go after Trump with. 

The entire time Biden was President and Democrats controlled Congress... did you ever say anything on this forum about them releasing the files? 

ROFL

[SpankyMcFarland]

13 hours ago, User said:

LOL, you never even cared about this until it became a politically bully club to go after Trump with. 

The entire time Biden was President and Democrats controlled Congress... did you ever say anything on this forum about them releasing the files? 

ROFL

I would say the main thing I posted on back then was disputing the claim that Epstein was murdered. It was impossible not to notice the pressure put on Massie, Mace, Boebert and Greene by Trump and Co. Those four deserve credit for pushing this through. Most of the people mentioned so far in the disclosures have been Democrats, including Trump at the time. This is a problem of powerful males rather than a partisan issue. 
 

[User]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I would say the main thing I posted on back then was disputing the claim that Epstein was murdered. It was impossible not to notice the pressure put on Massie, Mace, Boebert and Greene by Trump and Co. Those four deserve credit for pushing this through. Most of the people mentioned so far in the disclosures have been Democrats, including Trump at the time. This is a problem of powerful males rather than a partisan issue. 
 

LOL

It’s 1000 % partisan issue for you and almost every other person on the left.

You and others like you on the left latched onto the division over this on the right to use it for political gain.

 

[CdnFox]

On 11/19/2025 at 12:14 PM, Radiorum said:

I don’t know if you are joking or not, but of course such a sentiment is antithetical to the very basic foundational principles upon with the USA is built. The USA is a land ruled by the law, not the whims of men.

So, for example, in 1962, we have then Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy remarking:

"the orders of the federal courts can and will be enforced ... Every American has the duty to obey the law and the right to expect that the law will be enforced ... It is fundamental to our system that there be respect for the law and compliance with all laws..."

But, since Trump’s inauguration, the Department of Justice has been corrupted. Listen to the perversion (compounded by a complicit Supreme Court) voiced by current Attorney General Pam Bondi:

"No longer will we have rogue judges striking down President Trump's policies across the entire nation."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raZP-z9l9Zw&t=1s

 

Here are the mission and values of the DOJ, according to their website:

Our Mission
The mission of the Department of Justice is to uphold the rule of law, to keep our country safe, and to protect civil rights.
 

Our Values

• Independence and Impartiality. We work each day to earn the public’s trust by following the facts and the law wherever they may lead, without prejudice or improper influence.
• Honesty and Integrity. Our employees adhere to the highest standards of ethical behavior, mindful that, as public servants, we must work to earn the trust of, and inspire confidence in, the public we serve.
• Respect. Our employees value differences in people and in ideas and treat everyone with fairness, dignity, and compassion.
• Excellence. We work every day to provide the highest levels of service to the American people and to be a responsible steward of the taxpayers’ dollars.

These values have been completely corrupted from day one of the Trump administration.

 

Recently, 60 lawyers who were fired or resigned from the DOJ were interviewed by the New York Times. The state of play at the DOJ is highly alarming, to say the least. From the opening of the article:

President Trump’s second term has brought a period of turmoil and controversy unlike any in the history of the Justice Department. Trump and his appointees have blasted through the walls designed to protect the nation’s most powerful law enforcement agency from political influence; they have directed the course of criminal investigations, openly flouted ethics rules and caused a breakdown of institutional culture. To date, more than 200 career attorneys have been fired, and thousands more have resigned. (The Justice Department says many of them have been replaced.)

[...]

Beginning with Trump’s first day in office, the lawyers narrated the events that most alarmed them over the next 10 months. They described being asked to drop cases for political reasons, to find evidence for flimsy investigations and to take positions in court they thought had no legitimate basis. They also talked about the work they and their colleagues were told to abandon — investigations of terrorist plots, corruption and white-collar fraud.

 

The Unraveling of the Justice Department

Sixty attorneys describe a year of chaos and suspicion.

 

Absolute bulllcrap.

Politics has played a role in the judicial system for ages in the us. It didn't "become corrupted" with trump. 

Remember when bill clinton ran across the tarmac to lynch's plane as she was deciding about charges to hillary clinton to 'talk about their grandchildren'?

Bill Clinton, AG Loretta Lynch meet on tarmac in Phoenix - CBS News

Once again the left likes to pretend that this is all terrible stuff that's never happened before but that's not the truth. 

There is ample evidence of democrat interference with the doj and the case of clinton, obama ordered the intelligence agencies to provide a false report about trump, etc etc.  

And once again when all that was happening the left was told  "If you let this go and don't speak up it'll be used against you some day."   Well today is someday it would seem. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

2 minutes ago, User said:

LOL

It’s 1000 % partisan issue for you and almost every other person on the left.

You and others like you on the left latched onto the division over this on the right to use it for political gain.

 

My nefarious motives aside, don’t you think it’s a good thing in and of itself, though? A lot of Trump voters want to see it. 

 

 

[User]

1 minute ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

My nefarious motives aside, don’t you think it’s a good thing in and of itself, though? A lot of Trump voters want to see it. 

 

 

That is the point. You don’t believe this was a good thing until you could use it for politics. At least, it was never good enough of a thing for you or others like you on the left to care about before you could also use it for political gain.

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Absolute bulllcrap.

Politics has played a role in the judicial system for ages in the us. It didn't "become corrupted" with trump. 

Remember when bill clinton ran across the tarmac to lynch's plane as she was deciding about charges to hillary clinton to 'talk about their grandchildren'?

Bill Clinton, AG Loretta Lynch meet on tarmac in Phoenix - CBS News

Once again the left likes to pretend that this is all terrible stuff that's never happened before but that's not the truth. 

There is ample evidence of democrat interference with the doj and the case of clinton, obama ordered the intelligence agencies to provide a false report about trump, etc etc.  

And once again when all that was happening the left was told  "If you let this go and don't speak up it'll be used against you some day."   Well today is someday it would seem. 

I think there’s a question of scale and brazenness, though. Clinton didn’t openly order in writing the prosecution of his political enemies, for example. 

1 minute ago, User said:

That is the point. You don’t believe this was a good thing until you could use it for politics. At least, it was never good enough of a thing for you or others like you on the left to care about before you could also use it for political gain.

 

Do you think it’s a good thing? Yes or no? 

Edited November 22, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[robosmith]

14 hours ago, User said:

LOL, you never even cared about this until it became a politically bully club to go after Trump with. 

The entire time Biden was President and Democrats controlled Congress... did you ever say anything on this forum about them releasing the files? 

ROFL

It was Trump's DoJ which discovered the cache of documents held by SDNY.

Before that, NO ONE in the WH knew about them.

The Epstein files: What is public, and what is still secret?

 

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I think there’s a question of scale and brazenness, though. Clinton didn’t openly order in writing the prosecution of his political enemies, for example. 

 

That dog don't hunt.

Either it's wrong or it's not. And if you are willing to turn a blind eye to it when it's convenient under the excuse that it's only a LITTLE evil and corrupt, then you lose the right to complain if someone else sets the bar differently. 

The brazenness doesn't play into it. Either this kind of thing is okay or this kind of thing is wrong. The democrats established that this kind of thing is okay. The republicans are now taking that and running with it.

If the democrats ever get back into power they can choose at that time to say what we did was wrong and we're going to change how things are done in the future and then get by in for that.

But we're seeing again and again democrats trying to sell this idea where they're saying " All right maybe it was a little wrong when we did it, but don't you think we should stop now before you do it?" 

And everyone knows full well the democrats are going to do it again the moment they get back into power

So a better choice is to just do the same things to them as they've been doing in spades. Perhaps they will come to the realization that there is a price for them doing these things and that if you want to live without these things then they have to give them up too

[User]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Do you think it’s a good thing? Yes or no? 

I think it is noise, and not a good thing generally speaking, to politicize a particular issue like this and use the powers of Congress to selectively do things like this. 

 

[User]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

It was Trump's DoJ which discovered the cache of documents held by SDNY.

Before that, NO ONE in the WH knew about them.

Those were not the only Epstien files.

Try reading your own link and stop being such a lazy lying cowardly turd. 

"Sources also said that the files are voluminous. There are 22 files containing over 500 pages in the FBI vault, a portal on the FBI’s website accessible to the public. The bulk of those 11,000-plus pages are heavily redacted, and Justice Department prosecutors have fought their release for years."

"

One critical source of evidence against Epstein was in the discovery for a Florida civil case brought by Epstein’s victims against the FBI in 2008. That case spanned a decade and included tens of thousands of pages of material that sheds light on how federal prosecutors mishandled that early case. Not all the FBI documents connected to that case — or the federal criminal case — in Florida have been made public."

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

3 hours ago, User said:

I think it is noise, and not a good thing generally speaking, to politicize a particular issue like this and use the powers of Congress to selectively do things like this. 

 

But is it a good or bad thing in this particular instance? What do you say to MAGA supporters who want to see the files? 

Edited November 22, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[User]

6 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

But is it a good or bad thing in this particular instance? 

I just answered you. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

1 minute ago, User said:

I just answered you. 

It’s a bad thing, then. 

 

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

That dog don't hunt.

Either it's wrong or it's not. And if you are willing to turn a blind eye to it when it's convenient under the excuse that it's only a LITTLE evil and corrupt, then you lose the right to complain if someone else sets the bar differently. 

The brazenness doesn't play into it. Either this kind of thing is okay or this kind of thing is wrong. The democrats established that this kind of thing is okay. The republicans are now taking that and running with it.

If the democrats ever get back into power they can choose at that time to say what we did was wrong and we're going to change how things are done in the future and then get by in for that.

But we're seeing again and again democrats trying to sell this idea where they're saying " All right maybe it was a little wrong when we did it, but don't you think we should stop now before you do it?" 

And everyone knows full well the democrats are going to do it again the moment they get back into power

So a better choice is to just do the same things to them as they've been doing in spades. Perhaps they will come to the realization that there is a price for them doing these things and that if you want to live without these things then they have to give them up too

No, I’m not willing to turn a blind eye but I think openly threatening political enemies  with prosecution on social media is a new low in these matters.

[User]

Just now, SpankyMcFarland said:

It’s a bad thing, then. 

Well, you can certainly ignore most of what I said... not the first time you do that or just run away. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

Just now, User said:

Well, you can certainly ignore most of what I said... not the first time you do that or just run away. 

I asked a very simple question. 

[User]

1 minute ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

No, I’m not willing to turn a blind eye but I think openly threatening political enemies  with prosecution on social media is a new low in these matters.

You are just cool with doing it, as long as no public threats were made... only as long as it is happening behind closed doors. LOL

Also, while Biden himself may not have been making threats, a large chunk of Democratic leadership in the Senate/Congress certainly were. 

Your notion that this is some kind of new political low is as partisanly blind as usual... 

2 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I asked a very simple question. 

If you want to stick with that, then you asked a question based on a false dilemma. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

Just now, User said:

You are just cool with doing it, as long as no public threats were made... only as long as it is happening behind closed doors. LOL

Also, while Biden himself may not have been making threats, a large chunk of Democratic leadership in the Senate/Congress certainly were. 

Your notion that this is some kind of new political low is as partisanly blind as usual... 

No I’m not cool with it, of course, but any reasonable person would agree that publicly making those threats marks a serious escalation. 

[User]

2 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

No I’m not cool with it, of course, but any reasonable person would agree that publicly making those threats marks a serious escalation. 

In what? 

The outcome was the same. Biden was making the threats in private and still carrying out the political prosecutions. 

 

[CdnFox]

38 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

No, I’m not willing to turn a blind eye but I think openly threatening political enemies  with prosecution on social media is a new low in these matters.

Once you say it's acceptable at all, then you lose the ability to say to others where THEY should draw the line.  And that's the problem. 

And i do remember the prosecutor in trump's case RUNNING on the idea that he would go after trump and saying so directly.  So how is that different? And i remember kamala suggesting SHE would go after trump and would be good because 'she's used to dealing with criminals" etc. 

So nope.  At this stage if you didn't raise a ruckas back then about those politicians doing it then you can't say boo now. 

[CdnFox]

39 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

No I’m not cool with it, of course, but any reasonable person would agree that publicly making those threats marks a serious escalation. 

No, you would agree with that, but in reality i don't see it as being any worse than actually doing it and trying ot hide it. If anything it's worse that they did the same thing and covered it up.  At least voters can hold trump accountable if they want, he's not pretending it didn't happen. 

Essentially what you're saying is that the crime isn't the doing of the thing, the crime is that he's admitting to doing the thing whereas others tried to hide the fact that they were doing the thing unsuccessfully

It reminds me of the Spartans who used to teach their kids that it wasn't wrong to steal, it was wrong to get caught.

Davis again because it is so critical and hopefully those of you on the left you still have some reasonable nature's to you will understand,  once you decide it's ok for YOUR side to cross a line and go beyond what is acceptable, you give permission for the next guy to decide how and where HE"S going to cross the line, and HE will decide what is or isn't acceptable.  And nobody is going to be interested in YOUR opinion at that point because you were the ones who decided to abandon the line in the first place 

(that would be the collective 'you' of course not you personally per se  ) 

Democrats stood idly by while obama and Hillary conspired to create fake intelligence reports to go after their political rival with absolutely no real evidence and that was obvious from the beginning.

Democrats stood idly by while their leaders arranged for what can only be called "designer" charges that had never ever been laid before  to be brought against trump.

The democrats cheered when prosecutors went after trump and his money for civil fraud where there was not a single person complaining and no actual fraud had taken place. 

The democrats were ecstatic about the idea of having a judge keep trump's name from the ballots in violation of the constitution.

Now you don't get a say. If the democrats ever form power again then if their supporters are smart they will make sure the party understands That they need to reset things and they need to be the ones to say "WE will stop doing this, we will break the cycle and we are going to establish the rules again", and then live with it. 

But they can't expect to break the rules and then demand that the other side plays by them when it's their turn

[Radiorum]

On 11/22/2025 at 12:46 PM, CdnFox said:

Politics has played a role in the judicial system for ages in the us. It didn't "become corrupted" with trump. 

Remember when bill clinton ran across the tarmac to lynch's plane as she was deciding about charges to hillary clinton to 'talk about their grandchildren'?

Bill Clinton, AG Loretta Lynch meet on tarmac in Phoenix - CBS News

Once again the left likes to pretend that this is all terrible stuff that's never happened before but that's not the truth. 

There is ample evidence of democrat interference with the doj and the case of clinton, obama ordered the intelligence agencies to provide a false report about trump, etc etc.  

And once again when all that was happening the left was told  "If you let this go and don't speak up it'll be used against you some day."   Well today is someday it would seem. 

 

Well, maybe it is time to clean it up.