Why aren't western pro-palestinian protesters supporting the peace talks?

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, John Stone said:

dude, so-called Palestinians did NOT welcome Zionists from Europe or anywhere else , into the British Mandate territory.

There were exceptions. Its true there was anti-Semitism in Palestine like everywhere in the world including Canada but there was a lot more ambivalence in the very early days. Jewish immigrants bought property and invested in businesses in Palestine just like other immigrants.

Zionist goals were certainly alarming to some, you should be able to grok that when considering the fears and concerns people have about Muslim immigration leading to a bloodthirsty Caliphate here.

Tensions increased as the numbers of immigrants did and the British were well aware of it but did little to nothing about it. In fact they outright caved to Zionist terrorism that targetted them as well anyone else who got in their way.

Which raises the question WTF made Britain and its allies, like us, think setting the stage for a catastrophe was a good idea? Oh right, it might mean no Jews here.

Like I say we committed nothing nothing less than geopolitical vandalism.

Einstein predicted where it would lead and here we are.

[John Stone]

6 hours ago, eyeball said:

There were exceptions. Its true there was anti-Semitism in Palestine like everywhere in the world including Canada but there was a lot more ambivalence in the very early days. Jewish immigrants bought property and invested in businesses in Palestine just like other immigrants.

Zionist goals were certainly alarming to some, you should be able to grok that when considering the fears and concerns people have about Muslim immigration leading to a bloodthirsty Caliphate here.

Tensions increased as the numbers of immigrants did and the British were well aware of it but did little to nothing about it. In fact they outright caved to Zionist terrorism that targetted them as well anyone else who got in their way.

Which raises the question WTF made Britain and its allies, like us, think setting the stage for a catastrophe was a good idea? Oh right, it might mean no Jews here.

Like I say we committed nothing nothing less than geopolitical vandalism.

Einstein predicted where it would lead and here we are.

Briefly..........

When WWI ended so did the Ottoman Empire which had sided with the Central powers,  although in decline for centuries the Ottoman Empire ruled over vast territories. As the victors, France and Great Britain divided up the spoils and several countries were created; Jordan, Syria, Iraq and what would be labelled the Mandate of Palestine..... by League of Nation decree, under GB control.  

During the war (1917), GB's Lord Balfour under the direction of the British Gov uttered the Balfour Declaration - basically an agreement to est a Jewish state after the war - it was an attempt to garner Jewish support globally - particularly the U.S. where a large Jewish population resided and had a degree of political clout - the Entente powers were desperate for their support in the war. The Suez Canal  was also hugely strategic and the Brits were hoping that post-war the Jews - largely from Russia escaping the pogroms could provide a degree of security -  the reasoning was the Russia Jews weren't Arabs - nationalization was always a huge concern?  Cut to the chase - Jews began immigrating to what was called Palestine - at first they were the minority - by far, but the numbers grew. The Arabs countries surrounding Palestine resented this immigration, particular in those new countries created in those territories once ruled by the Ottoman Empire. 

Fast forward to 1948 - Palestine war. When Israel declared Statehood the surrounding Arab countries attacked Israel immediately - at that time Israel expelled hundreds of thousand of so-called Palestinians for fear of a 5th Column - Israel was fighting an existential war. 

If you go back far enough in time you will discover that Israel does have a legitimate claim  to the land. 

 

 

Edited November 29, 2025 by John Stone

[eyeball]

45 minutes ago, John Stone said:

If you go back far enough in time you will discover that Israel does have a legitimate claim  to the land. 

Yeah and if we just keep going back and forth thru history we can drag this out forever.

How convenient is that?

[John Stone]

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

Yeah and if we just keep going back and forth thru history we can drag this out forever.

How convenient is that?

............. ownership is 9/10 of the law. 

Arguably Israel is the 3rd most powerful country in the World - they  have 3rd strike capability and the potential to attack any target in the World - their reach is far. 

The 'Samson Option' refers to Israel's nuclear deterrence strategy, which implies massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a last resort against existential threats. 

If not  for this strategy how concerned  would the West be in Israel's defense - just look at Ukraine and the consequence of them naively giving up their nucs! 

Ukraine was foolish to trust the West............Israel is nowhere near as trusting ......less fool them. 

Edited November 29, 2025 by John Stone

[marcus]

On 11/27/2025 at 12:51 PM, carepov said:

Nice attempt to deflect.

All reasonable people (including Jewish leaders in the reports) agree that this behavior by a fringe minority is unacceptable and actions were to be taken to stop it.

Bsck to my point:

There are many progressive Arab-Israelis, living good lives, easy to find on Google.  Where else in the middle east can we see significant numbers of progressive Arabs?

There’s no deflection here. It’s you who’s trying to push a misleading narrative. So, what’s your next move? Are you going to claim that "the IDF is the most moral army in the world"?

No one is buying that anymore. The mask is off. Zionists lie and they lie often. It's how they roll. It's almost a doctrine to lie in order to push their agenda.

The standard of living of Palestinians Arabs living in Israel; While they may have a higher standard of living compared to the occupied Palestinian lands, their standard of living is nowhere close to many Arabs living in the Gulf States.

Palestinians with Israeli citizenship, while having some rights, still face significant discrimination. They are often unable to purchase property in many parts of Israel due to discriminatory Jew only policies. Moreover, if they marry someone outside Israel, especially a non-Jew, they are not allowed to sponsor their spouse for immigration to Israel. This kind of systemic inequality is something that needs to be acknowledged.

 

[marcus]

On 11/28/2025 at 2:34 PM, John Stone said:

Briefly..........

When WWI ended so did the Ottoman Empire which had sided with the Central powers,  although in decline for centuries the Ottoman Empire ruled over vast territories. As the victors, France and Great Britain divided up the spoils and several countries were created; Jordan, Syria, Iraq and what would be labelled the Mandate of Palestine..... by League of Nation decree, under GB control.  

During the war (1917), GB's Lord Balfour under the direction of the British Gov uttered the Balfour Declaration - basically an agreement to est a Jewish state after the war - it was an attempt to garner Jewish support globally - particularly the U.S. where a large Jewish population resided and had a degree of political clout - the Entente powers were desperate for their support in the war. The Suez Canal  was also hugely strategic and the Brits were hoping that post-war the Jews - largely from Russia escaping the pogroms could provide a degree of security -  the reasoning was the Russia Jews weren't Arabs - nationalization was always a huge concern?  Cut to the chase - Jews began immigrating to what was called Palestine - at first they were the minority - by far, but the numbers grew. The Arabs countries surrounding Palestine resented this immigration, particular in those new countries created in those territories once ruled by the Ottoman Empire. 

Fast forward to 1948 - Palestine war. When Israel declared Statehood the surrounding Arab countries attacked Israel immediately - at that time Israel expelled hundreds of thousand of so-called Palestinians for fear of a 5th Column - Israel was fighting an existential war. 

If you go back far enough in time you will discover that Israel does have a legitimate claim  to the land. 

 

 

The comment you provided presents a distorted narrative that overlooks the key historical and ongoing injustices faced by Palestinians. Here's a summary of the main points:

1. Balfour Declaration and Its Impact: The Balfour Declaration promised a Jewish homeland in Palestine without consulting the indigenous Palestinian population, setting the stage for conflict and dispossession of Palestinians.

2. The Nakba (1948): When Israel declared statehood in 1948, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were forcibly displaced or fled in what can be described as ethnic cleansing. Israel's fear of a "5th column" doesn't justify the mass expulsion of Palestinians, and their right to return is still denied today.

3. Israel's Legitimacy: While Israel claims legitimacy based on historical and religious ties to the land, there is no legal basis on the legitimacy of these claims. And it also doesn't justify the ongoing violation of Palestinian rights. Israel's creation involved the dispossession of an entire indigenous population, and international law, including UN resolutions, supports Palestinian refugees' right to return.

4. The Current Reality: Palestinians in Israel and the occupied territories face systematic discrimination, military occupation, and violence. Israeli policies, including settlement expansion, land confiscation, and the blockade of Gaza, amount to ongoing ethnic cleansing and apartheid-like conditions.

5. The Struggle for Justice: Palestinians have a legitimate right to self-determination and to live in peace, free from occupation. Ignoring the reality of their suffering and framing Israel's actions as legitimate denies Palestinians their basic human rights and perpetuates the injustice they face.

 

 

[John Stone]

15 hours ago, marcus said:

The comment you provided presents a distorted narrative that overlooks the key historical and ongoing injustices faced by Palestinians. Here's a summary of the main points:

1. Balfour Declaration and Its Impact: The Balfour Declaration promised a Jewish homeland in Palestine without consulting the indigenous Palestinian population, setting the stage for conflict and dispossession of Palestinians.

2. The Nakba (1948): When Israel declared statehood in 1948, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were forcibly displaced or fled in what can be described as ethnic cleansing. Israel's fear of a "5th column" doesn't justify the mass expulsion of Palestinians, and their right to return is still denied today.

3. Israel's Legitimacy: While Israel claims legitimacy based on historical and religious ties to the land, there is no legal basis on the legitimacy of these claims. And it also doesn't justify the ongoing violation of Palestinian rights. Israel's creation involved the dispossession of an entire indigenous population, and international law, including UN resolutions, supports Palestinian refugees' right to return.

4. The Current Reality: Palestinians in Israel and the occupied territories face systematic discrimination, military occupation, and violence. Israeli policies, including settlement expansion, land confiscation, and the blockade of Gaza, amount to ongoing ethnic cleansing and apartheid-like conditions.

5. The Struggle for Justice: Palestinians have a legitimate right to self-determination and to live in peace, free from occupation. Ignoring the reality of their suffering and framing Israel's actions as legitimate denies Palestinians their basic human rights and perpetuates the injustice they face.

 

 

Denying Israel's legitimacy is to flog a dead horse. 

Israel was formally established on May 14, 1948, with the Declaration of Independence. It was recognized as a sovereign state by the United States on the same day and by the Soviet Union no less, three days later. The United Nations admitted Israel as a full member state on May 11, 1949. 

 

[carepov]

On 1/6/2026 at 3:16 PM, marcus said:

There’s no deflection here. It’s you who’s trying to push a misleading narrative. So, what’s your next move? Are you going to claim that "the IDF is the most moral army in the world"?

No one is buying that anymore. The mask is off. Zionists lie and they lie often. It's how they roll. It's almost a doctrine to lie in order to push their agenda.

The standard of living of Palestinians Arabs living in Israel; While they may have a higher standard of living compared to the occupied Palestinian lands, their standard of living is nowhere close to many Arabs living in the Gulf States.

Palestinians with Israeli citizenship, while having some rights, still face significant discrimination. They are often unable to purchase property in many parts of Israel due to discriminatory Jew only policies. Moreover, if they marry someone outside Israel, especially a non-Jew, they are not allowed to sponsor their spouse for immigration to Israel. This kind of systemic inequality is something that needs to be acknowledged.

Life in Israel is not perfect, however it is clearly much better than any Arab country, especially for women and minorities.

[marcus]

On 1/7/2026 at 5:54 AM, John Stone said:

Denying Israel's legitimacy is to flog a dead horse. 

Israel was formally established on May 14, 1948, with the Declaration of Independence. It was recognized as a sovereign state by the United States on the same day and by the Soviet Union no less, three days later. The United Nations admitted Israel as a full member state on May 11, 1949. 

 

You pressed reply, but you did not respond to my points.

Israel's establishment does not excuse the hundreds of human rights violations and it should not remove Palestinians' right to exist.

[marcus]

On 1/10/2026 at 7:27 PM, carepov said:

Life in Israel is not perfect, however it is clearly much better than any Arab country, especially for women and minorities.

If a Saudi Arab marries someone outside of Saudi Arabia, they can bring their partner into Saudi Arabia. A Palestinian citizen of Israel cannot bring their partner into Israel.

A Saudi Arab can purchase property anywhere in Saudi Arabia. A Palestinian who is an Israeli citizen cannot purchase property in any part of Israel.

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 11/28/2025 at 10:24 AM, John Stone said:

dude, so-called Palestinians did NOT welcome Zionists from Europe or anywhere else , into the British Mandate territory. 

El Jazeera??

El Pravda! 

Why would they? British Palestine was a small place with limited resources. Why would the existing population welcome vast numbers of immigrants from Europe just because a foreign power that had just invaded the area made a promise to this effect? Put this debate in a Canadian context. Are you an open borders guy here? 

Edited February 19 by SpankyMcFarland

[User]

2 hours ago, marcus said:

A Palestinian who is an Israeli citizen cannot purchase property in any part of Israel.

This is not true. They can purchase property. 

 

[User]

2 hours ago, marcus said:

A Palestinian citizen of Israel cannot bring their partner into Israel.

No, this very specifically applies to hostile territories, and the law is not absolute, but there are significant legal barriers that apply to ALL Israeli citizens, not just Palestinians. 

 

3 hours ago, marcus said:

Israel's establishment does not excuse the hundreds of human rights violations and it should not remove Palestinians' right to exist.

Israel is not removing Palestinians' right to exist. 

[John Stone]

12 hours ago, marcus said:

You pressed reply, but you did not respond to my points.

Israel's establishment does not excuse the hundreds of human rights violations and it should not remove Palestinians' right to exist.

You know that at the end of WWI the winners – particularly France and  GB carved the (losing) Ottoman Empire up – the spoils.

Without due regard, several countries were created, so-called, Palestine,  was a geographic region – not a state (Country). Palestine was NEVER  a country.

Fast forward to 1947 – the U.N. partition plan, dividing this geographic REGION between the Arabs and the Jews.

The Jewish population - while dissatisfied with the small size of the territory allotted - accepted the compromise – don’t let a great deal get in the way of a good deal?

The Arab states and the Arab residents of the geographic region (aka Palestine) rejected the U.N. compromise – the Arabs wanted the whole enchilada – backed by the pan-Arab, relatively new States.

Civil War.

Jews won and ended up with even more territory ………. and Israel was recognized as a Country.

Successive wars followed of course – I image the pan-Arab states were grateful for the U.N. intervention (Russian coercion – Cold War) else Israel would likely be much larger.

But lets get back to the Civil war and the partition

“The Arab nations should have accepted the U.N. partition plan in 1947” / Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

“It was our mistake for not agreeing to U.N. General Assembly Resolution 181, which called for the establishment of a Jewish state alongside an Arab stat in the British Mandate for Palestine (geographic region).” / Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

According to Abbas, Arabs are at fault for rejecting the plan and should have acted like the Jews and established a STATE when they had a chance. 

For security concerns, half of so-called Palestine's predominantly Arab population were expelled from their homes or made to flee (Nakba) after the establishment of the State of Israel.

This type of exodus is akin to the internment camps for American Japanese during WWII

The internment camps for Canadian Japanese during WWII

The NA Continents resettlement (slaughter) of the indigenous peoples

The Acadian Expulsion 18^th century.

Red River Rebellion

It is a huge mistake to judge history thru the lens of today?

History should not be forgotten – but don’t make history the hill you die on!

[John Stone]

11 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Why would they? British Palestine was a small place with limited resources. Why would the existing population welcome vast numbers of immigrants from Europe just because a foreign power that had just invaded the area made a promise to this effect? Put this debate in a Canadian context. Are you an open borders guy here? 

I was replying to a post that implied Jews were welcomed to the geographic region of so-called Palestine?

I imagine ur argument would find harbor with the indigenous of North America post invasion of Europeans beginning in the 15 century. 

The resettlement, the disease, the slaughter, the discrimination, the ethnic  cleansing right up until the 1980's?

I'd advise you to not be so proud, self righteous.

I'd agree a lot of things in HISTORY are judged thru the lens of today - that is totally fk'd! 

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

2 hours ago, John Stone said:

I was replying to a post that implied Jews were welcomed to the geographic region of so-called Palestine?

I imagine ur argument would find harbor with the indigenous of North America post invasion of Europeans beginning in the 15 century. 

The resettlement, the disease, the slaughter, the discrimination, the ethnic  cleansing right up until the 1980's?

I'd advise you to not be so proud, self righteous.

I'd agree a lot of things in HISTORY are judged thru the lens of today - that is totally fk'd! 

 

I have no problem whatsoever acknowledging the awfulness of what happened in North America since 1500. But we’re talking about the twentieth century here, a few generations ago. The people of the territory were betrayed by the British. Indeed, the same man who blocked the immigration of Eastern European refugees to Britain took it upon himself to welcome them to Palestine.

Edited February 19 by SpankyMcFarland

[User]

12 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I have no problem whatsoever acknowledging the awfulness of what happened in North America since 1500. But we’re talking about the twentieth century here, a few generations ago. The people of the territory were betrayed by the British. Indeed, the same man who blocked the immigration of Eastern European refugees to Britain took it upon himself to welcome them to Palestine.

OK... and?

You are now talking about things started over 100 years ago. Is Israel supposed to just stop existing now?

 

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 10/6/2025 at 11:16 PM, carepov said:

  Why are western protests still anti-israel and not pro-peace?

 

My question is why are the western pro-palestinian protesters are not pro-nation of Iran protesting the massacre of defenseless nation.? I know why. Because they are f*cking hypocrites!

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

My question is why are the western pro-palestinian protesters are not pro-nation of Iran protesting the massacre of defenseless nation.? I know why. Because they are f*cking hypocrites!

Why on Earth would everyone who is sympathetic to Palestinians automatically be sympathetic to Iran's regime?

It's like you've never heard of secularism. Is to left wing for your liking perhaps?

[CITIZEN_2015]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Why on Earth would everyone who is sympathetic to Palestinians automatically be sympathetic to Iran's regime?

It's like you've never heard of secularism. Is to left wing for your liking perhaps?

What a  weird question. Those who are sympathetic to Palestinians is because they claim there was a genocide by Israel and hence condemn the killing BUT they are silent when a worse genocide was carried out in Iran. 

Damn the religion that encourages invasion, inequality, massacre and rape. No f*ck that religion and their followers,

Edited February 21 by CITIZEN_2015

[carepov]

On 2/18/2026 at 6:57 PM, marcus said:

If a Saudi Arab marries someone outside of Saudi Arabia, they can bring their partner into Saudi Arabia. A Palestinian citizen of Israel cannot bring their partner into Israel.

A Saudi Arab can purchase property anywhere in Saudi Arabia. A Palestinian who is an Israeli citizen cannot purchase property in any part of Israel.

1. Not true

2. Not perfect but not significant, Arab israelis can purchase land with a few exceptions

Can you safely be openly homosexual in any Arab state?

[eyeball]

15 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Those who are sympathetic to Palestinians is because they claim there was a genocide by Israel 

Nonsense. People are sympathetic because of the violent unfair way Palestinians are being pushed out of the way to make room for someone else. It's still happening as we speak in the Westbank no differently than when it started nearly 100 years ago.

15 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

BUT they are silent when a worse genocide was carried out in Iran. 

Genocide...what genocide?  You're not thinking straight. What's being carried out in Iran is no different than what's being carried out in other countries around the world, oppression and subjugation.

Oppression and subjugation is why people are pissed off at Israel.  Every human being on Earth should be pissed off at oppressive subjugating governments wherever they are and whoever they are for the same reason.

Genocide has nothing to do with anything.

  

 

[CITIZEN_2015]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Nonsense. People are sympathetic because of the violent unfair way Palestinians are being pushed out of the way to make room for someone else. It's still happening as we speak in the Westbank no differently than when it started nearly 100 years ago.

Genocide...what genocide?  You're not thinking straight. What's being carried out in Iran is no different than what's being carried out in other countries around the world, oppression and subjugation.

Oppression and subjugation is why people are pissed off at Israel.  Every human being on Earth should be pissed off at oppressive subjugating governments wherever they are and whoever they are for the same reason.

Genocide has nothing to do with anything.

  

 

Total nonsense. you are one of those leftist hypocrits.

What is happening in Iran has happened nowhere in the world.

50,000 to 90,000 unarmed civilians were murdered by military grade weapons in the darkness in 24 hours by the government supposed to protect them.

Security forces of Islamic republic raided hospitals and executed the wounded on hospital beds. Witnesses are saying this was because the guards were given a lot more money if they had killed a person but not much for just shooting demonstrators.

tens of thousands were arrested and have been held without charges and are subjected to torture, rape and secret executions. Families who inquire about the fate of their loves ones are also arrested and some shot dead on spot.

Bodies of dead females are subjected to rape and as for injured arrested, their body organs are taken out like hearts, kidneys, livers sold overseas.

Even Hitler did not go as far as giving financial incentive to kill wounded on hospital beds or rape dead bodies. These mother-f*cker Islamists occupying Iran are by far worse than Hitler or Nazi Germany. And the f*cking religion they follow is far worse than fascism and yet the f*cking leftists and pro-Palestinian supporters are silent in spite of all these brutal atrocities. SHAME ON YOU.

Edited February 21 by CITIZEN_2015

[eyeball]

15 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

What is happening in Iran has happened nowhere in the world.

You're living in la la land. Governments, regimes and rulers of every stripe have been killing their populations for thousands of years.

21 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

...f*cking leftists...

LMAO!

I'm loathe to even imagine how many people you would have murdered with prejudice if you were the ruler of the world.

 

[CITIZEN_2015]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

You're living in la la land. Governments, regimes and rulers of every stripe have been killing their populations for thousands of years.

LMAO!

I'm loathe to even imagine how many people you would have murdered with prejudice if you were the ruler of the world.

 

Sending mass murderers and terrorists to hell is justice not murder. You send a few thousand mass murderers to hell and prevent the murder and sufferings of millions. This is justice. Is like hanging serial killer to prevent future victims.

My only wish is to have a time machine. To go back in time and shoot and kill those subhumans like Khomeini, Khamenei, Hitler, Ganghis Khan, Stalin, Ted Bundy, Marc Lepine and  thousands more similar examples as soon as they were born.

Edited February 22 by CITIZEN_2015