Mark Carney will make crime and chaos worse.

[eyeball]

49 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The Liberal party and the NDP are anti-God and anti-Bible and should not be supported.

Can you leave it at that or are you approaching the point where you could support a right wing government that promised to never allow the left to govern again?

[blackbird]

13 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Can you leave it at that or are you approaching the point where you could support a right wing government that promised to never allow the left to govern again?

Never suggested that. Right wing does not mean Biblical.  Maybe you don't understand the world is a fallen corrupt place under the control of the prince of darkness.  Politics won't change that, but the wrong choices can make things worse, i.e. more evil.

[blackbird]

34 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

To think... all that baggage that liberals carry and still allowed to vote and be members of society. I love this country!

Yes, freedom is a good thing, but it must be used wisely.  Lets not wreck the society we live in.  It's all we've got in this world.

[eyeball]

44 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Maybe you don't understand the world is a fallen corrupt place under the control of the prince of darkness. 

What I really don't understand is why God doesn't simply evaporate the POD. They could do that if They wanted to right?

[blackbird]

25 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What I really don't understand is why God doesn't simply evaporate the POD. They could do that if They wanted to right?

Because that's not how God operates.  He gave man free will but man mis-used it and rebelled against God.  So God sent he Son to earth to die on a cross to pay for man's sins and redeem those who believe on him (believe the gospel).  God is therefore calling out a people who will live forever in glory (paradise) with him.  It is believed by many that Jesus Christ will return soon and will reign on earth for a thousand years and then create a new earth.  Those who are born again will be with him forever.  Read gospel of John.

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Yes, freedom is a good thing, but it must be used wisely.  Lets not wreck the society we live in.  It's all we've got in this world.

You appear to hold society in reverence.  Liberals and all 🤙

[blackbird]

10 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You appear to hold society in reverence.  Liberals and all 🤙

As a Bible believer, I understand we are to love thy neighbour while at the same resist evil.  We must therefore avoid the demonic trap of hate.  Speak the truth, expose evil and do not support it.  Do you get the drift?

[LinkSoul60]

14 minutes ago, blackbird said:

As a Bible believer, I understand we are to love thy neighbour while at the same resist evil.  We must therefore avoid the demonic trap of hate.  Speak the truth, expose evil and do not support it.  Do you get the drift?

Words to live by. Got it 🤙

[Barquentine]

11 hours ago, blackbird said:

the world is a fallen corrupt place under the control of the prince of darkness.

Enough about Trump, already!

[Barquentine]

16 hours ago, blackbird said:

Poilievre has made it very clear he will take action to change the easy bail laws to keep dangerous offenders behind bars.  You couldn't ask for a better leader than that

As usual, PeePee is parroting Trump and other right-wingers who want to instil fear in voters. They don`t care about facts or real solutions, just slogans and fear-mongering to get power. ``The sky is falling!`` ``The sky is falling!``

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Barquentine said:

As usual, PeePee is parroting Trump and other right-wingers who want to instil fear in voters. They don`t care about facts or real solutions, just slogans and fear-mongering to get power. ``The sky is falling!`` ``The sky is falling!``

What would be your solution to deal with dangerous offenders?

[blackbird]

11 hours ago, Barquentine said:

As usual, PeePee is parroting Trump and other right-wingers who want to instil fear in voters. They don`t care about facts or real solutions, just slogans and fear-mongering to get power. ``The sky is falling!`` ``The sky is falling!``

You didn't answer the question.  No answer.

[eyeball]

12 hours ago, blackbird said:

What would be your solution to deal with dangerous offenders?

Definitely ankle bracelets outfitted with GPS if they're out on bail a day pass or awaiting trial.

In custody otherwise if they're deemed too dangerous.

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Definitely ankle bracelets outfitted with GPS if they're out on bail a day pass or awaiting trial.

In custody otherwise if they're deemed too dangerous.

Under existing laws, many people are being attacked and some murdered by people released by judges on various conditions.  The government has tinkered with the laws but nothing has been enough to stop the catch and release of dangerous offenders.

There have been cases in B.C. recently where a young woman was murdered by someone who she knew who was released on bail with strict conditions.  Many people have been protesting this but nobody in Ottawa seems to be listening.  Judges seem to think these people will always obey the conditions but often they don't.

"In British Columbia, statistics indicate that judges ordered pre-trial detention in less than half of cases where Crown prosecutors sought it, suggesting that many individuals on bail or parole may be at risk of being released while still being involved in criminal proceedings. However, specific numbers regarding individuals attacked by those on bail or parole are not provided in the available data. 

 

Global News

Edited September 20, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

Definitely ankle bracelets outfitted with GPS if they're out on bail a day pass or awaiting trial.

In custody otherwise if they're deemed too dangerous.

"

New statistics have reignited the debate around bail for violent repeat offenders in B.C., with the the provincial government calling for federal bail reform — and the opposition saying the province isn’t pushing hard enough under the current bail rules.

Data released by the BC Prosecution Service Monday showed judges ordered pre-trial detention in less than half of cases where Crown prosecutors sought it.

The data included bail hearings over a five-week period in November and December, along with a week each in February and March, and showed that in 667 cases where the Crown had sought to keep an accused person behind bars, B.C. judges agreed and denied bail in just 276 cases — about four times in 10."

Data showing frequent bail for accused repeat violent offenders reignites B.C. crime debate | Globalnews.ca

It appears the majority of pre-trial repeat violent offenders are being released on bail even though the prosecutors warn about releasing them and plead for them to be kept in custody.

Ankle bracelets and GPS won't stop a violent offender who is determined to go after someone.  They have no fear and don't care about the consequences.  Innocent people such as former partners are the ones that are the victims.

Edited September 20, 2025 by blackbird

[I am Groot]

On 9/18/2025 at 1:40 PM, LinkSoul60 said:

I care a lot about it.  No, crime is not getting worse in Canada.  The facts are that most types of crime have been declining.  I'll wait to hear more from Carney on this rather than listening to angry Poilievre.

The five violations that contributed the most to the decline in the overall CSI in 2024 were non-violent in nature,

This is in 'police reported' crime. If people don't report the crime, then it doesn't get counted. People are reporting a lower percentage of minor criminal events to the police these days because they know the police won't bother to do anything about it because the police know the courts won't do anything to the people they catch.

So tons of thefts that aren't covered by insurance, tons of minor assaults and vandalism is never reported to police because why bother?

 

On 9/18/2025 at 1:40 PM, LinkSoul60 said:

The Violent CSI decreased 1% in 2024, having a comparatively smaller impact on the overall CSI. Prior to this, the Violent CSI had risen for three consecutive years, increasing 15% over that period.

In other words, violent crime is up for the fourth straight year?

On 9/18/2025 at 1:40 PM, LinkSoul60 said:

Compared with 2023, the Violent CSI recorded lower rates for many violations in 2024, such as level 1 sexual assault (-3%), extortion (-10%), robbery (-2%), attempted murder (-12%) and level 3 or aggravated assault (-8%). Combined, these violations accounted for 80% of the decrease in the Violent CSI.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/250722/dq250722a-eng.htm

Again, in some of these cases, people just won't bother to report to police. Level 1 sexual assaults are usually minor crimes like sexual touching without injury or unwanted kissing. Extortion is usually ethnic now and they often don't tell the police. Attempted murder is kind of a joke of a crime and is rarely charged because, barring an admission from the suspect, it's impossible, the way the law is written, to convict. Especially with our Liberal judiciary. Witness the clown of a judge who last week gave a low sentence for manslaughter to a man who chased and shot another man in the chest. 

The judge said he wasn't convinced the man knew the victim would be hurt or that he intended to kill him. I guess he figured black men didn't understand how firearms work - even though this particular one was under two firearms prohibition orders at the time.

 

[LinkSoul60]

17 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

People are reporting a lower percentage of minor criminal events to the police these days

Who told you that...Poilievre?   I'll go with factual stats and not 'well, you know....'

18 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

In other words, violent crime is up for the fourth straight year?

As a %, declining....  Is violent crime too much yes.  Does it need to get railed in, yes.  

20 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Again, in some of these cases, people just won't bother to report to police.

Sorry but hard to rest something that doesn't have facts other than 'people don't bother to report'.  If there is a data set showing facts of people not reporting crimes I'm all ears.  Until then I'll go with factual data from reported crimes.

 

It's an angry world right now with a lot pf people struggling to make ends meet financially and emotionally.  It's only logical that has an affect socially in crime stats not only here but everywhere.  

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Who told you that...Poilievre?   I'll go with factual stats and not 'well, you know....'

As a %, declining....  Is violent crime too much yes.  Does it need to get railed in, yes.  

Sorry but hard to rest something that doesn't have facts other than 'people don't bother to report'.  If there is a data set showing facts of people not reporting crimes I'm all ears.  Until then I'll go with factual data from reported crimes.

 

It's an angry world right now with a lot pf people struggling to make ends meet financially and emotionally.  It's only logical that has an affect socially in crime stats not only here but everywhere.  

I don't understand your soft on crime attitude.  It is sickening.  What is it that makes you oppose letting the Conservatives make serious changes to protect the citizens by keeping all these dangerous repeat offenders behind bars?   Where did you come from?  Criminal record?  Do you have relatives who have criminals records?  What is your reason?   ExFlyer gives down arrows constantly; maybe a criminal record could explain it?

Edited September 20, 2025 by blackbird

[herbie]

Yopu are stuck with concepts of Biblical Retribution 2000 years later. Punishment does not 'correct' anything.

Whereas a loss of one's credit rating, freezing a bank account for 5 years or impounding one favourite car may be deterrent for some, the loss of freedom for someone wandering the streets unhoused, three squares a day, and excersiza yard and the social company of others in similar circumstances certainly is not.

We all know things have to change, and with promised bail reforms and adjustments to criminal codes coming in the next few weeks, how in hell can you justify a headline claiming Carney will make crime worse?

Alarmist BS 

Edited September 20, 2025 by herbie

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

how in hell can you justify a headline claiming Carney will make crime worse?

Alarmist BS 

quote

BAIL FAIL! How Liberal junk justice policy springs criminals

Justin Trudeau's Liberals eliminated consequences from the justice file

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Published Apr 06, 2025  •  Last updated Apr 06, 2025  •  4 minute read

Carl Chateauvert, 34, is wanted for a slew of charges that include assault, assault with a weapon, fraud, breaking-and-entering, and ... nine counts of failure to comply with a release order. Photo by HANDOUT /TORONTO POLICE

If you’re a criminal, the past decade in Canada has been a low-risk, boffo-bucks time of plenty.

Aided and abetted by the agreeable Supreme Court of Canada, killers, rapists, child molesters and other thugs – aka the cruel and inhumane club – have walked out of court.

And too often, they end up walking right back in again.

“We arrest them, then they get bail and we arrest them again,” one Toronto cop told The Toronto Sun. “So we’re arresting the same people over and over again instead of just leaving them in jail. Doesn’t matter if it’s guns or even murder.”

This has come at a time with spiking violent crime, daytime smash-and-grabs and dope flooding into the country.

The Toronto Police Association – representing more than 8,500 cops and civilian workers – issued a quartet of questions to Liberal Leader Mark Carney and Conservative Leader Pierre Polievre. The questionnaire asked the parties about gun violence policies, a demand for tougher sentences for the most heinous criminals and boosting police ranks.

But bail was number one with a bullet: “What is your party’s plan to stop the revolving door of bail and implement a system that better protects the public and our members?”

The Sun did a cursory search on some of the recent bail luminaries, and here’s who we found. None of the charges have been proven in any of these cases.   unquote

BAIL FAIL! How Liberal junk justice policy springs criminals | Toronto Sun

The Liberal disaster will continue under Carney and will get worse.  You will see.

Edited September 20, 2025 by blackbird

[I am Groot]

23 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Who told you that...Poilievre?   I'll go with factual stats and not 'well, you know....'

Uhm, no, the General Social Survey (GSS) on Victimization, taken every five years, told me that. Unfortunately, due to the amazing efficiency of our massive federal government, the 2024 survey is not yet out, but in 2019 it showed about a third of crimes were reported to police.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2021001/article/00014-eng.htm#a25

[LinkSoul60]

22 hours ago, blackbird said:

I don't understand your soft on crime attitude.  It is sickening.  What is it that makes you oppose letting the Conservatives make serious changes to protect the citizens by keeping all these dangerous repeat offenders behind bars?   Where did you come from?  Criminal record?  Do you have relatives who have criminals records?  What is your reason?   ExFlyer gives down arrows constantly; maybe a criminal record could explain it?

My reason is that I quoted statistics, not a subjective opinion.  Is there a problem with that?

And if my entire family and I, as well as my circle of friends had criminal records what's the problem if we all now adhere to our laws?

[LinkSoul60]

57 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Uhm, no, the General Social Survey (GSS) on Victimization, taken every five years, told me that. Unfortunately, due to the amazing efficiency of our massive federal government, the 2024 survey is not yet out, but in 2019 it showed about a third of crimes were reported to police.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2021001/article/00014-eng.htm#a25

2024 data was released 7/22/25.  The timeliness of release seems rather efficient to me....

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/250722/dq250722a-eng.htm

[I am Groot]

41 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

2024 data was released 7/22/25.  The timeliness of release seems rather efficient to me....

 

That is not the same report. That is about police reported crime while the one I cited is the on criminal victimization.

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, I am Groot said:

That is not the same report. That is about police reported crime while the one I cited is the on criminal victimization.

I couldn't find 'non-reported' instances but the conversation is about crime.  There's the report.