From the people who brought you covid lockdowns, All people banned from wilderness (now with snitch line!)

[User]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Everyone had a choice...

Another lie. 

When that "choice" is that most of the country loses their jobs if they don't, it is not a "choice"

You would sit here saying it is someone's "choice" if you held a gun to their head. 

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

easy to say ,harder to do, how did you make out going from fishing to boat tours..

Easy peasy...1 short interview and they hired me an hour after that. Still going strong 25 years on, at the top of my game and pay grade. I might even put off retirement for another couple of years.

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sure they could. There were help wanted signs up where I lived or they could have created their own job.

They always had choices.

This was and still is after all a free country.

Nope.  They couldn't.  ANd the gov't knew it. 

That's why its' called coersion. This was not a free country.

[Army Guy]

1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Canada lost ~60K lives to covid.  The US which is essentially identical in culture lost ~1.2M lives.  Hard to disagree with facts showing Canada was the second best of G10 countries in mitigating the virus.

Yes, a lot of critical needs came out of this but it was what it was... a global pandemic that we and the rest of the world were not fully prepared for.  Lesson learned, hopefully.

Sorry but not buying the anti-vaccine stuff.  Vaccines save lives...period, and certainly saved lives during the pandemic.  

Yes it saved lives, but thats only one part of the equation...we doubled our national debt load, we still are unbelievable unprepared for the next virus whatever that may be...long term care still broken, we are critically short on medical equipment, mobile medical equipment, critical medication supply chain is still broken....there are a lot more areas we said we would correct to be better prepared than covid....China is still messing with plenty of virus and like us never learned a whole lot from covid...These are lessons not learned....

Hey i'm all for vaccines, i got mine because of my medical conditions....but i also support freedom of choice to get it or not...what i do not believe in is subjecting children to the vaccine knowing they did not need it...

not sure what anti vaccine info your talking about unless it was the remark about the children...

[LinkSoul60]

9 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Yes it does,thats why i said having the other 99 % out there would police those 1 % of wingnuts that think public safety is a joke...This is only going to get worse and while it is ok for the government to start making wild decisions like these, what do they do for prevention , for decades now they forrest service has been complaining that Forrest management funding has been cut back, so no new equipment very little new hires, and nothing spent on mangling our forests...last year we had a couple bad wind storms that resulted in massive blow downs...so bad that most atv trails operators spent months clearing them, but the damage was massive, add this to decades of blow downs and our forests are like a huge tinder box...me and many others have spent many hours salvaging this wood for firewood for home...

I live in NB so it has not affected my life, our government took a more reasonable approach...However during covid we were not allowed in the wood at all not even when alone for some strange reason, it was a stupid rule and not many obeyed it...no stupid fines attached like NS 25,000 plus taxes and something called a victims tax whatever that is...

Maybe but most of NBers live in the country, people are in the woods all the time...i can count 30 or 40 bikes along the trail when on a 15 min ride to take my grandson fishing....I'm on my bike all the time, hunting, fishing, just for recreational use...i belong to atv club with about 750 members  like i said it is a way of life to some...Not being able to go into the woods, would be covid all over again...doing nothing but endless to do lists for the wife...

Your going to get b!tchers on every topic....most will be city folks really have nothing else to do...kind of like gun control...everyone that has an opinion on it does not have a firearm and lives in the city...

I disagree.  You can't be everywhere to police stupid.  That's not possible.

Question....  do you not think an atv in a tinderbox forest is a bad idea?  A hot exhaust can easily start a fire regardless of careful you are.  I don't see how that's responsible...?

I 100% get the attraction and enjoyment of the outdoors and enjoy it as much as anyone.  I can honestly say thought that staying out of the outdoors for a couple weeks or month will not alter my life in any negative way, and can't imagine lasting affects for anyone else...but that's just me.  

I live in BC where there is also the great outdoors.  I'd much rather see a ban on using the outdoors than seeing some fool unintentionally burn it down....along with peoples home in some cases.

[Army Guy]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Easy peasy...1 short interview and they hired me an hour after that. Still going strong 25 years on, at the top of my game and pay grade. I might even put off retirement for another couple of years.

It was not the same for everyone, including me, unless i wanted to become some merc for hire...sorry not my game...quitting meant risking a pension, giving up seniority, a very good paycheck...

[LinkSoul60]

28 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Aww little guy    That's the kind of weak assed insult someone who's used to debating 6 year olds would say  

I'd rather be someone who can't stop talking than someone such as yourself who can't start thinking  

During covid? No they couldn't. 

Keep chirping little man....

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Army Guy said:

Yes it saved lives, but thats only one part of the equation...we doubled our national debt load, we still are unbelievable unprepared for the next virus whatever that may be...long term care still broken, we are critically short on medical equipment, mobile medical equipment, critical medication supply chain is still broken....there are a lot more areas we said we would correct to be better prepared than covid....China is still messing with plenty of virus and like us never learned a whole lot from covid...These are lessons not learned....

Hey i'm all for vaccines, i got mine because of my medical conditions....but i also support freedom of choice to get it or not...what i do not believe in is subjecting children to the vaccine knowing they did not need it...

not sure what anti vaccine info your talking about unless it was the remark about the children...

Very well said

I would often goes unremarked is the damage done by dividing Canada as badly as Trudeau did in order to get votes. I saw many families ripped apart, there is a huge amount of anger that was never part of Canadian culture before out there, and as a country we are divided. Trump might bring us together for a few moments but then we begin immediately drifting apart.

The harm wasn't worth it when you add it all up

1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I disagree.  You can't be everywhere to police stupid.  That's not possible.

Question....  do you not think an atv in a tinderbox forest is a bad idea?  A hot exhaust can easily start a fire regardless of careful you are.  I don't see how that's responsible...?

 

So why then hiking? Would you say that hiking boots are a major source of sparks and flame?

You're a toddler

[User]

10 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Keep chirping little man....

Such a tough guy! ROFL

[Army Guy]

1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I disagree.  You can't be everywhere to police stupid.  That's not possible.

Question....  do you not think an atv in a tinderbox forest is a bad idea?  A hot exhaust can easily start a fire regardless of careful you are.  I don't see how that's responsible...?

I 100% get the attraction and enjoyment of the outdoors and enjoy it as much as anyone.  I can honestly say thought that staying out of the outdoors for a couple weeks or month will not alter my life in any negative way, and can't imagine lasting affects for anyone else...but that's just me.  

I live in BC where there is also the great outdoors.  I'd much rather see a ban on using the outdoors than seeing some fool unintentionally burn it down....along with peoples home in some cases.

People i bike with, know what is at stack and if your being a dick in the woods are not afraid of telling you or calling off road enforcement to sort you out...around here there are hundreds of bikers riding up and down the trail system everyday...it drastically improves surveillance when people are out and about...

I've been biking for decades , on trails that are managed and groomed so there is no grass or tinder on the trails, so hot exhausts are not the issue...there are close 8000 kms of trails managed by  New Brunswick All Terrain Vehicle Federation not to mention private trails that other clubs or people mange maybe another 4 to 5000 kms worth  starting fires from exhausts are not the big problem here...ATV ties in with Skidooing....same trails all looked after very well....

https://experiencenewbrunswick.com/2024/03/09/atv-trails-nb/

And i is not going to alter anyone's life in a drastic way...but i don't think you understand what goes on in our province this is not just a couple of guys out on a weekend. our trails see plenty of bikes on weekdays and thousands on the weekends...it is not just a hobby, it is a way of life it is what we do for entertainment ...and i get you disagree, i don't get the impression you own a bike or side by side, or spend much time in the woods....will i die if i can't go in...no i won't ... we are not having the issue with Forests fires as BC does...Yes it is really dry here, and only one small fire burning thats been in the news...

Maybe all the fools should be getting 25,000 fines, and doing time in jail, so they are not in the woods and the rest of responsible people can enjoy it more...

[eyeball]

35 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That's why its' called coersion.

It's also called that at a traffic light. Obey or risk having your car impounded, especially if your excuse for running a red light is that your brakes don't work.

[User]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's also called that at a traffic light. Obey or risk having your car impounded, especially if your excuse for running a red light is that your brakes don't work.

No one here is framing up running a red light as some mere "choice" a person is free to make all on their own with no consequences... 

[LinkSoul60]

51 minutes ago, User said:

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You okay...?

[LinkSoul60]

50 minutes ago, User said:

Another lie. 

When that "choice" is that most of the country loses their jobs if they don't, it is not a "choice"

You would sit here saying it is someone's "choice" if you held a gun to their head. 

Told you earlier and seriously..... get a new act.

If you jackasses didn't want to get a vaccine and potentially compromise those at higher risks. Too bad stupid...

Being stupid isn't illegal as you well know, but there were consequences depending on what vocation you were in.

Also told you earlier.... go find another conspiracy.

[LinkSoul60]

45 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Yes it saved lives, but thats only one part of the equation...we doubled our national debt load, we still are unbelievable unprepared for the next virus whatever that may be...long term care still broken, we are critically short on medical equipment, mobile medical equipment, critical medication supply chain is still broken....there are a lot more areas we said we would correct to be better prepared than covid....China is still messing with plenty of virus and like us never learned a whole lot from covid...These are lessons not learned....

Hey i'm all for vaccines, i got mine because of my medical conditions....but i also support freedom of choice to get it or not...what i do not believe in is subjecting children to the vaccine knowing they did not need it...

not sure what anti vaccine info your talking about unless it was the remark about the children...

I've said it a few times this thread so at the risk of being repetitive....  a governments most critical responsibility is to care for its peoples safety.  We didn't know a lot about the virus that was killing people and the government gave everyone a choice, if they wanted to keep a job in particular vocations.  Because someone is anti vaxx for whatever their reason is it does not entitle them to compromise others who are susceptible. I don't care if people think that infringed upon their freedom of choice or not.

As far as doubling the debt....  would you have rathered see more deaths and with a lesser debt cost?  Of course not.  And yes, our health care system has a myriad of challenges today and ahead with most involving additional facilities, equipment, resources and cost.  I'd like to think we're better prepared for the next pandemic only because of hindsight.  Hopefully we don't get to find out any time soon

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Very well said

I would often goes unremarked is the damage done by dividing Canada as badly as Trudeau did in order to get votes. I saw many families ripped apart, there is a huge amount of anger that was never part of Canadian culture before out there, and as a country we are divided. Trump might bring us together for a few moments but then we begin immediately drifting apart.

The harm wasn't worth it when you add it all up

So why then hiking? Would you say that hiking boots are a major source of sparks and flame?

You're a toddler

Because people smoke cigarettes, weed and crack pipes.

You're an *sshole

[Army Guy]

3 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I've said it a few times this thread so at the risk of being repetitive....  a governments most critical responsibility is to care for its peoples safety.  We didn't know a lot about the virus that was killing people and the government gave everyone a choice, if they wanted to keep a job in particular vocations.  Because someone is anti vaxx for whatever their reason is it does not entitle them to compromise others who are susceptible. I don't care if people think that infringed upon their freedom of choice or not.

As far as doubling the debt....  would you have rathered see more deaths and with a lesser debt cost?  Of course not.  And yes, our health care system has a myriad of challenges today and ahead with most involving additional facilities, equipment, resources and cost.  I'd like to think we're better prepared for the next pandemic only because of hindsight.  Hopefully we don't get to find out any time soon

I get it you want to be heard, i am hearing you...but we have 2 different opinions...The Current government position on the entire covid measures is this....it is over we lived through lets carry on, have we learned anything from covid...not a damn thing...IF the governments most critical responsibility was to care for people's safety... Why have we not taken any action on lessons learned...this is the optics i have it is becasue that issue is in the past, it is over we are on to the next thing....they the government had previous warnings the entire supply chain was in trouble, that our current medical emergency supply was obsolete, and it is worse today...So i find it hard to believe our government most critical responsibility is our safety... all one has to do is look at the current status of our security apparatus, to find out how much they do care.... 

if you look at it it did more than infringe on our freedom of choice....and you should care any time our government decides to infringe on any of our rights...

Can you show me where doubling the debt saved lives....I would have loved to see more accountability on where our money was going....employing teenagers in households that made over 100 k was not one of those...just one examples...there are thousands...Hindsight and a toonie gets you a coffee.... I like that "hopefully" we don't see another, we do that a lot "hope" but when these events happen hope does not fix anything...Most Canadians have a extremely short memory, and covid is over we are moving on....screw what happens yesterday...we are hoping for tomorrow...    

 

[LinkSoul60]

50 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

People i bike with, know what is at stack and if your being a dick in the woods are not afraid of telling you or calling off road enforcement to sort you out...around here there are hundreds of bikers riding up and down the trail system everyday...it drastically improves surveillance when people are out and about...

I've been biking for decades , on trails that are managed and groomed so there is no grass or tinder on the trails, so hot exhausts are not the issue...there are close 8000 kms of trails managed by  New Brunswick All Terrain Vehicle Federation not to mention private trails that other clubs or people mange maybe another 4 to 5000 kms worth  starting fires from exhausts are not the big problem here...ATV ties in with Skidooing....same trails all looked after very well....

https://experiencenewbrunswick.com/2024/03/09/atv-trails-nb/

And i is not going to alter anyone's life in a drastic way...but i don't think you understand what goes on in our province this is not just a couple of guys out on a weekend. our trails see plenty of bikes on weekdays and thousands on the weekends...it is not just a hobby, it is a way of life it is what we do for entertainment ...and i get you disagree, i don't get the impression you own a bike or side by side, or spend much time in the woods....will i die if i can't go in...no i won't ... we are not having the issue with Forests fires as BC does...Yes it is really dry here, and only one small fire burning thats been in the news...

Maybe all the fools should be getting 25,000 fines, and doing time in jail, so they are not in the woods and the rest of responsible people can enjoy it more...

You don't bike with everyone who uses the outdoors though, nor do you see all those people that use the outdoors. It's the woods so tree's, foliage and ground cover change it constantly and makes it a hazard in some conditions.  

I get what you're saying though and can see both sides of this very easily.  I only know that if it was me in charge of the Province, or business, my deciding factor would always be towards safety.  

[eyeball]

47 minutes ago, User said:

No one here is framing up running a red light as some mere "choice" a person is free to make all on their own with no consequences... 

There are plenty who are framing up the notion governments have no business telling people what they can or can't do.

It sounds particularly hilarious coming from the sort of people who usually maintain law and order is their most cherished value.

[Army Guy]

4 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You don't bike with everyone who uses the outdoors though, nor do you see all those people that use the outdoors. It's the woods so tree's, foliage and ground cover change it constantly and makes it a hazard in some conditions.  

I get what you're saying though and can see both sides of this very easily.  I only know that if it was me in charge of the Province, or business, my deciding factor would always be towards safety.  

No i don't but the other 99 % of those that do see pretty much everyone....there will always be that one guy or person...in any thing we do in life...people still drink and drive and yet we have not banned driving to save lives ...because of a few mindless people...

I would hope like the premiere here in NB did that you would take the reasonable choice, and not over react like NS premier did... we only have one small fire , nothing of the size you have in BC or out west...and historically we have never had huge fires like that in the last 10 years...not saying it could not happen, it just has not happened...thanks to reasonable people...

[LinkSoul60]

5 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

The Current government position on the entire covid measures is this....it is over we lived through lets carry on, have we learned anything from covid...not a damn thing...

Where and when did the Carney government ever talk about dismissing our covid experience?  Quite the opposite when he wasn't in office, where he gave us low marks because we were ill prepared like you noted.  I'd also be floored to think or know that our medical and other experts haven't learned from the pandemic. 

12 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

If you look at it it did more than infringe on our freedom of choice....and you should care any time our government decides to infringe on any of our rights...

Maybe my life is too simple, but I wouldn't lose a lot of sleep about my rights being infringed if I was ordered to stay out of the woods for a short period of time to error on the side of safety. 

 

15 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Can you show me where doubling the debt saved lives....

No I can't.  Can you show me where it didn't?

 

Hindsight is great isn't it...  Of course there were mistakes. We've never experienced this.  I'll also assume you're good to see our taxes increase to pay for all the shortcomings you mentioned.  

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Keep chirping little man....

Keep crying little boy 

[CdnFox]

31 minutes ago, eyeball said:

There are plenty who are framing up the notion governments have no business telling people what they can or can't do.

 

No one here is framing anything of the kind, you're trying to change it into that because you know you can't argue what they are saying.

As a far left-wing socialist I get that you have a fondness for government overreach government telling you how to run every aspect of your life. But people who appreciate the idea of freedom and personal rights recognize that there is such a thing as overreach and that government shouldn't unnecessarily or unreasonably tread on the right and choices of the people

If you had your weight the government would tell you what to have for breakfast

[User]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

There are plenty who are framing up the notion governments have no business telling people what they can or can't do.

Who, what specific comment are you talking about, because this has nothing to do with your comment I was responding to. 

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

It sounds particularly hilarious coming from the sort of people who usually maintain law and order is their most cherished value.

Yes, you laugh at your own straw man creations. 

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Told you earlier and seriously..... get a new act.

If you are not getting the results you desire, perhaps you should look at what you are doing first. 

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

It's also called that at a traffic light.

No it isn't. It's not even close.

Are you so childish and of such low intellect that I need to explain why it's different? It should be fairly obvious. If anything the opposite is true, the establishment of an agreed upon system is what allows us to use the roads effectively. The government is limiting choices, the government is increasing choices.

Let's imagine the government banned all abortions because they thought abortions were bad. That would be an example of government using regulation to limit choices. Now you presumably would be all in favor of it because why wouldn't the government limit choices? I would argue that that kind of thing should be the moral choice of the people involved unless somebody can demonstrate a reasonable argument as to when a fertilized egg becomes a human being. In the absence of that it should be choice

You would presumably also fully support the idea that the government should be able to tell us which religion to follow. Solve a lot of problems that's for sure, and there's no difference between telling somebody who they have to worship and waiting at a red light. Correct?

I know what you're trying to do is derail the argument to discussion but you do it in a way that makes you look so stupid that if anything you just wind up reinforcing my arguments.