Trump's threats reveal the trouble with Canada's pipelines running through the U.S.

[ExFlyer]

12 hours ago, I am Groot said:

The feds made it uneconomically for any private entity to try to build a pipeline, and then took it over so they could siphon of billions of dollars in graft for their friends. 

Build it where? BC  says no. Manitoba says no.

 

Feds took it over when private industry bailed out.... Feds had nothing to do with them bailing out but continued the build. 

That is what I have been saying all along...BC is the controller of pipelines though it's province. Alberta (Danielle Smith) does not seem to get it.

 

 

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Feds took it over when private industry bailed out.... Feds had nothing to do with them bailing out but continued the build. 

Feds had nothing to do with the rules and regulations the feds put in place that made private industry bail on ALL oil pipelines.

Gotcha.

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

That is what I have been saying all along...BC is the controller of pipelines though it's province. Alberta (Danielle Smith) does not seem to get it.

The federal government can override them in a second if they had any balls. But the feds only care about votes, not Canada. Much like the BC government.

[I am Groot]

13 hours ago, paxamericana said:

We currently do but that is not guaranteed. It would mean keeping friendly relations with the aforementioned host nation, coming to their aid and creates diplomatic bargaining leverage. See USAID. You really need to move past the post world war 2 order. Trump is just a long series of disinterested, isolationist, president starting from George Bush Senior. America is not that interested in maintaining an alliance structure where we foot the bill indefinitely with no return on investment

Oh, FFS. Do you really think America has been acting as it has around the world for the last fifty years for any OTHER reason but self-interest? Seriously? America's military policy has been to prevent its enemies from gaining too much strength, to reassure its access to cheap raw materials, and to keep free markets free - for Americans to make use of and exploit. There is no charity work involved in this. It didn't keep the Soviets out of Europe because it was kind hearted. It did so because the Soviets were dangerous enough as it was. The US certianly didn't want them adding Europe's population and technology to their power base. Nor did it want to lose European markets for its goods. Similarly, when it protects Taiwan, it's not because it cares about them. It's because it wants to preserve access to Taiwan's semiconductor industry. 

13 hours ago, paxamericana said:

I understand the aggravation but you should see things from the American perspective, we really do see you all as another state. 

Then how come Canadians can't move to the US? 

[ExFlyer]

40 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Feds had nothing to do with the rules and regulations the feds put in place that made private industry bail on ALL oil pipelines.

Gotcha.

The federal government can override them in a second if they had any balls. But the feds only care about votes, not Canada. Much like the BC government.

"Feds had nothing to do with the rules and regulations the feds put in place"???  Huh???

Examples of stalled or cancelled pipelines:

• Trans Mountain Expansion:

  Faced delays due to environmental concerns, Indigenous opposition, and legal challenges, including a court ruling that found the National Energy Board's review process to be flawed

  Northern Gateway:

  Proposed by Enbridge, it was cancelled due to opposition from Indigenous communities and environmental groups

  Coastal GasLink:

  Faced strong opposition from Wet'suwet'en hereditary chiefs and Indigenous-led protests

  So, the feds took it over and got them built.

   

  Gotcha LOL

   

  Sure...the feds can override the indigenous....how did Harp[er make out??? LOL

   

  Gotcha ...again LOL

 

[CdnFox]

14 hours ago, paxamericana said:

My crystal ball says 51st. Resistance is futile.

It's not a crystal ball, you're holding a magic 8 ball. And we all know you can't read  

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Feds took it over when private industry bailed out.... Feds had nothing to do with them bailing out but continued the build. 

They had everything to do with them bailing out. That's why they took it over. They completely screwed up the process up to them and there was no fixing it so the private companies said we're not interested anymore

Justin Trudeau wanted to prove them wrong and so he jumped in to make it happen! And drove up the costs 31 billion dollars

[ExFlyer]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

It's not a crystal ball, you're holding a magic 8 ball. And we all know you can't read  

They had everything to do with them bailing out. That's why they took it over. They completely screwed up the process up to them and there was no fixing it so the private companies said we're not interested anymore

Justin Trudeau wanted to prove them wrong and so he jumped in to make it happen! And drove up the costs 31 billion dollars

By all means...start every post to anyone with an insult...Typical of a LOSER LOL

It cost what it cost...It wasn't a jump., it was what it cost to complete.

Here are some facts..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_Mountain_pipeline

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

By all means...

LOL almost all your posts are nothing BUT insults, start to finish  LOLOLOL

And you're so butthurt angry that you can't make a point or refute anything that you've spent all morning running around looking for my posts to do your little passive aggressive down arrow thing, which we all know means you're crying  

And I noticed you couldn't address the point here either  

By the way, that wasn't actually an insult it was a joke. He and I joke back and forth a reasonable amount. He knows it's a joke, because he knows what humor is. You're a liberal so you don't. And while he can take a joke you are the joke  LOLOL

[ExFlyer]

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

LOL almost all your posts are nothing BUT insult.

Nope, facts and observations

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Nope, facts and observations

You haven't posted a fact or an observation in your entire life.  

Which is fine, You are here to be the comic relief you're not really expected to contribute meaningfully

[paxamericana]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Oh, FFS

Again, the Cold War ended, we no longer feel the need to maintain NATO. Give me a compelling reason why America should maintain the status quo. There is no big bad Soviet wolf out to scare America. So why give you free access to our market when we can’t even sell to you; even if you took down all the trade barriers there would still be a trade deficit.

Though I agree that it’s much better to fight a war at the enemy’s doorstep than our own, it’s just there isn’t anyone left to fight that would justify maintaining this large alliance. America just want to get closer to home. That means looking at Canada with a magnifying glass. It won’t end with Trump. Every successive president will look closely at our border and realize Canada shouldn’t exist as a sovereign state.
 

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Then how come Canadians can't move to the US? 

51st. You can do that as soon as you become a state. It’s not us, it’s you Canada. You’re getting in your own way.

[ExFlyer]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You have posted a fact or an observation in your entire life.  

....

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Gasp!!! ARE YOU STARTING OFF YOUR POST WITH AN INSULT?!?!!?!? 

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!

Go and change your diapers kid, you stink    

[ExFlyer]

16 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Gasp!!! 

Another useless post by a useless LOSER HaAHA HA

[I am Groot]

22 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Again, the Cold War ended, we no longer feel the need to maintain NATO. Give me a compelling reason why America should maintain the status quo.

Putin hates your guts. So does Xi. Xi is building shit at a fantastic pace, from missiles to drones to warships to fighters. And since he's hacking into every one of your computers, and especially those of defense contractors, he's even got most of the plans to build Chinese variants of what you spend tens of billions to develop! He and Russia both want the Arctic. And both of them are preparing for it WAAAYY more than you are. He wants Taiwan, and control over the semiconductor industry. He wants control of Asian waters. Russia wants its empire back. He's already effectively gotten most of the stans under his influence, and Belarus, wants Ukraine and the Baltics, and then will go after Poland.

But he can't beat us TODAY is not an effective answer to this, by the way. Your navy is falling apart as it is, with ships officers falling asleep at the helm due to overwork because you don't have enough ships or enough crew.  Most of the people who try to join your army are rejected because of drug abuse and obesity. The head of the army's training command called it a crisis several years back and nothing much has been done.

 

You do indeed need allies. And just as importantly, you can't afford to let those allies be taken over/recruited by the other side.

22 hours ago, paxamericana said:

 That means looking at Canada with a magnifying glass. It won’t end with Trump. Every successive president will look closely at our border and realize Canada shouldn’t exist as a sovereign state.

America does not like fighting guerrilla wars. But try fighting one with a modern enemy that has a 5,000 mile border with the US. The fighting wouldn't be taking place on our side of it. 

[I am Groot]

On 7/29/2025 at 11:00 AM, ExFlyer said:

"Feds had nothing to do with the rules and regulations the feds put in place"???  Huh???

And who was it that put in place the laws that allow indigenous chiefs - ie, tiny, corrupt village mayors - to refuse pipelines that are in the national interest? Yup. The federal government.

[paxamericana]

47 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Putin hates your guts. So does Xi. Xi is building shit at a fantastic pace, from missiles to drones to warships to fighters. And since he's hacking into every one of your computers, and especially those of defense contractors, he's even got most of the plans to build Chinese variants of what you spend tens of billions to develop! He and Russia both want the Arctic. And both of them are preparing for it WAAAYY more than you are. He wants Taiwan, and control over the semiconductor industry. He wants control of Asian waters. Russia wants its empire back. He's already effectively gotten most of the stans under his influence, and Belarus, wants Ukraine and the Baltics, and then will go after Poland.

But he can't beat us TODAY is not an effective answer to this, by the way. Your navy is falling apart as it is, with ships officers falling asleep at the helm due to overwork because you don't have enough ships or enough crew.  Most of the people who try to join your army are rejected because of drug abuse and obesity. The head of the army's training command called it a crisis several years back and nothing much has been done.

I don’t disagree with your assessment.

However, you need to look at the long term view. Russia won’t be around in 50 years, neither will China, regardless of if they invade Taiwan. 

The Chinese population is beyond replacement. The Han ethnicity will vanish at the end of this century. The Chinese are going extinct. 

This is to say that while problematic in the short term, they are not a long term threat going forward. So again what compelling reason you have for the Americans to pay for everyone’s security in the long term?
 

47 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

But try fighting one with a modern enemy that has a 5,000 mile border with the US

Why do some Canadian automatically assume a violent resistance to the American empire!?? You assume Canadians even support a armed resistance to America. For what reason? To defend your pride? You realise being 51st, you would all be financially better off right, free market access, become world currency reserve, lower cost everything, less taxes? Canadian identity is bullshit, you're just not American. But let's humour this idea, first problem is you don’t have the numbers. Your fighting age population is 1.8 million men between 18-24. Our current peace time military is 2 million. We have more women in our military than you have soldiers. It’s a pipe dream, there is no insurgency, there is simply no where to hide. The modern battlefield is that lethal. Look at Ukraine! They are running out of men. That’s how it would go down for you Canada, assuming you get the same kind of support internationally. Unlike the Russians, the US military is the world greatest fighting force to have ever existed. So you can go down that road to defend your pride or you can be 51st. 

Edited July 30, 2025 by paxamericana

[ExFlyer]

46 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

And who was it that put in place the laws that allow indigenous chiefs - ie, tiny, corrupt village mayors - to refuse pipelines that are in the national interest? Yup. The federal government.

Huh?? Are you trying to blame someone for indigenous rights???

158 years of federal governments since confederation and many more years of British and provincial and territorial treaties?? And you are trying to blame liberals???

You are pretty uninformed LOL

Edited July 30, 2025 by ExFlyer

[blackbird]

23 hours ago, paxamericana said:

So why give you free access to our market when we can’t even sell to you;

That is false.

"In 2024, the trade relationship between Canada and the U.S. is as follows:

Canada exports approximately $435.17 billion worth of goods and services to the U.S.. 

The U.S. exports around $349 billion worth of products to Canada. 

Overall, the total trade value between Canada and the U.S. reached $884.16 billion. 

This highlights the significant economic ties and trade relationship between the two countries.

2 Sources

All you seem to be able to do is repeat the Trump or MAGA kind of lies.

The biggest lie on trade is Trump saying Canada is ripping off the U.S.

He is wrecking the trade system for what?  For an imaginary belief that the U.S. will be better off without the existing free trade system?

Sure he is bringing in lots of tariff revenue, but he is also devastating the livelihoods of many businesses, workers, and the consumers who depend on all the imported goods.  How is that good for America?

Edited July 30, 2025 by blackbird

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Another useless post by a useless LOSER HaAHA HA

And again you're starting off with an insult!! Snif! What would your mother say?   

[ExFlyer]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And again you're starting off with an insult!! 

No insult at all. It is a statement of fact.

[CdnFox]

34 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

No insult at all. 

So you're a hypocrite AND a liar   

Well to be blunt we actually knew that already, but it's nice of you to take the time to confirm.

 

[ExFlyer]

14 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So you're a

 

 

Troll? Yup and I caught you again...and again....and again LOL

[I am Groot]

On 7/30/2025 at 11:43 AM, paxamericana said:

I don’t disagree with your assessment.

However, you need to look at the long term view. Russia won’t be around in 50 years, neither will China, regardless of if they invade Taiwan. 

The Chinese population is beyond replacement. The Han ethnicity will vanish at the end of this century. The Chinese are going extinct. 

China was focused on bringing down the population with its one-child policy. But they have far more levers to change that. They are not going to vanish, and neither is Russia.

On 7/30/2025 at 11:43 AM, paxamericana said:

Why do some Canadian automatically assume a violent resistance to the American empire!?? You assume Canadians even support a armed resistance to America.

Some will. 

On 7/30/2025 at 11:43 AM, paxamericana said:

For what reason?

Well, lately, your country has been run by crazy people and crooks and is rapidly turning into an oligarchy.

On 7/30/2025 at 11:43 AM, paxamericana said:

But let's humour this idea, first problem is you don’t have the numbers. Your fighting age population is 1.8 million men between 18-24. Our current peace time military is 2 million. 

Let me ask you what damage a couple of hundred JTF2 people in the US could do? Let's see, start by killing a few dozen Republican senators and congressmen. Their security details are nothing to special operators. Bingo, the Republicans lose their majority. Heck, special operators could probably take out Trump and Vance at the same time. But even exempting how easy American political leaders are to get at, there are pipelines and pumping stations, transmission towers and substations, highways and railroad bridges, power stations and dams. Imagine how many troops you'd need to guard them all and how much that would cost.

Now imagine how long Americans would put up with it, especially when most wouldn't have agreed to an annexation of an unwilling Canada to begin with.

I say this all as just theory. You're partly right in that Canadians might well be better off in the long run. God knows we've done an absolutely horrible job of governing ourselves over the past fifty years. And we currently have terrible government at every level.

Mind you, so do you.

The government in Canada, mass media, and academia have absorbed the US self-hatred infection and have become as woke and zealous and self-hating as yours. They've been preaching about what a miserable country this is and has always been for decades now. So why would anyone have pride in it? 

On 7/30/2025 at 12:13 PM, ExFlyer said:

Huh?? Are you trying to blame someone for indigenous rights???

No, I'm blaming them for the laws they've written and the judges they've appointed.

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Troll? Yup and I caught you again...and again....and again LOL

You like the worst fisherman ever, you keep hooking yourself and then trying to reel yourself in  

[paxamericana]

13 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

The government in Canada, mass media, and academia have absorbed the US self-hatred infection and have become as woke and zealous and self-hating as yours.

That’s because you’re already Americans. That is my main argument against Canadian sovereignty. What goes on in America also goes on in Canada. That is no accident.