Have Trump and his ICE agents become a terrifying Fascist state?

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Trump doesn't always follow the law.  That has been well reported in the news.

He also illegally sent people to the dangerous and harmful CECOT prison in El Salvador.  That is a serious violation of human rights.

 So no Trump goes against human rights and due process.  It is dumb to claim he enforces the law.

This is what a law school says:

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Legal Rights of Undocumented Immigrants in the U.S.

Are undocumented immigrants treated the same under the law as lawful residents of the U.S.?

By Ilona Bray, J.D.·University of Washington School of Law

Updated: Jan 27th, 2025

Why Trust Us?

Undocumented (sometimes called "illegal") immigrants living and perhaps working in the United States have some rights under the U.S. Constitution, despite their unlawful immigration status. Aspects of the Constitution that address certain basic human rights apply to all people, even those who lack proper documentation. Examples of these rights include:

the right to due process (fair treatment according to established rules and principles) in legal proceedings

the right to have the laws protect you in the same way they do everyone else

the right to a jury trial and to defend yourself if arrested (including arrests by immigration authorities) or sued

the right to organize or be part of a labor union

the right to be protected against unlawful search and seizure

the right not to testify against yourself in court

the right to file a civil lawsuit if you've been harmed, and

the right not to be discriminated against.

Some states grant illegal immigrants various rights as well, such as to apply for a drivers' license (discussed below). California is among those states, and also offers Medi-Cal (a state run health-insurance program for extremely low-income people) to undocumented persons.

If you are an undocumented immigrant in the United States, keep reading to learn more about your rights.

In this article:

Constitutional Rights That Apply to Undocumented Persons

Undocumented Immigrants' Rights to Defense Against Removal

Drivers' Licenses Are Available to Undocumented Immigrants in Some U.S. States

No Right for Undocumented Immigrants to Work in the United States

Employment-Related Rights If Undocumented Immigrant Is Working in the United States

Protections Against Discrimination for Undocumented Immigrants

Possibilities for Undocumented Immigrants to Obtain Legal Status in the U.S.

An Immigration Lawyer Can Help Analyze Your Legal Rights and Possibilities

Constitutional Rights That Apply to Undocumented Persons

Even if you are in the United States without permission or proper immigration documents, various sections of the U.S. Constitution apply to you.

There is a particularly important provision of the Fourteenth Amendment stating that, "No state shall...deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

An undocumented immigrant is definitely a "person." In brief, this means you are owed such procedural rights as a jury trial and the right to defend yourself against the criminal charges if arrested.

It also means that if someone sues you over a civil matter (for example, alleging that you owe money for having breached a contract or done damage to the other person's property), that you have the right to receive notice and to defend yourself in court. Also see "Defense Against Removal," below.

Various criminal charge-related amendments to the Constitution (including the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and 14th) also apply to undocumented persons. These protect against things like unlawful search and seizure by law enforcement authorities (without probable cause and a warrant for such an action). They allow you to stay silent and avoid self-incrimination (testify against your own interests) when in court or custody.

Undocumented immigrants also have the right to file lawsuits, such as discrimination suits, in federal court. State laws vary, but some jurisdictions give an undocumented immigrant the right to sue others in state court, as well.

Undocumented Immigrants' Rights to Defense Against Removal

In most situations, you have the right to a hearing in immigration court and to defend yourself against deportation or removal from the United States.

There are exceptions, however. One known as "expedited removal" allows arriving aliens to be sent back without seeing an immigration judge, except in narrow circumstances such as if they assert a credible fear of return and wish to apply for asylum. The definition of "arriving aliens" is broader than one might think. Under the second Trump administration, it is said to include anyone not inspected by an immigration officer at the border who has been caught anywhere within 100 miles within two years of entry.

Another exception is made if you have returned to the United States after a previous order of deportation. In this case, no further hearings are available to you, and the previous order can be immediately acted upon.

If you are scheduled for a hearing before an immigration judge (in the Executive Office for Immigration Review or EOIR) you can challenge the grounds on which you are being deported or assert various defenses. In presenting your case, you can testify, submit supporting documents, and call witnesses. You also have the right to representation in immigration court by an attorney, but the U.S. government doesn't have to pay for one on your behalf. You may be able to find low-cost legal help from a charitable organization serving immigrants.

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Illegal Immigrant Rights

I know stubborn people like Taxme and User won't read this because they prefer to remain in the dark and act like Nazis.

Well trump is actually following the law. Occasionally something that the government does may not be lawful but then the court corrects them and they change their behavior and that has been well documented even with trump.

The vast vast majority of deportations are taking place well within the law. And even where he Kicked gang members out without giving them enough notice and warning he was still following the law. It's not like he was just grabbing people and throwing them out willy-nilly, but the courts ruled that the process he was using was not sufficient and had to be improved. Every government including Biden's and Obama's has that kind of ruling against it on a pretty regular basis.

And that isn't a human rights violation. Or if it is then every government ever that's existed since the beginning of America has committed numerous human rights violations and obviously is part of the process and baked into the cake so live with it.

Your problem is you take grains of truth and twist them into something that is utterly farcical. Governments make policy all the time, courts test that policy all the time and frequently find that the policy needs to be changed in order to be fully compliant with a constitution and such. This does not mean there are human rights violations, but that's what you jump to

These people are being deported within the law. If you don't like that, then what needs to happen is the law needs to change.

Your rhetoric makes it impossible to take you seriously

[blackbird]

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

This does not mean there are human rights violations, but that's what you jump to

These people are being deported within the law. If you don't like that, then what needs to happen is the law needs to change.

Your rhetoric makes it impossible to take you seriously

Wow, it is so obvious he violated many people's human rights in sending many people to a infamous torture/death prison in El Salvador and you totally ignore that and claim he isn't violating people's rights.  Wow is all I can say.  I wouldn't trust anybody who claimed that was not a violation of human rights.  There were no trials.  People were arrested based on things like tatoos or just the fact they were undocumented migrants and maybe dressed strange and associated with questionable characters or had no job or even worked in a job.  On that basis they were just deported there.  That is no due process at all.  It is a complete lack of respect for human rights and laws.  It is based on racism and politics to meet a deportation quota to appease his MAGA base.

Edited Monday at 04:50 PM by blackbird

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Wow, it is so obvious he violated many people's human rights in sending many people to a infamous torture/death prison in El Salvador and you totally ignore that and claim he isn't violating people's rights. 

No I didn't. In fact I addressed it directly and noted that the courts corrected the flaws in his system and he complied. 

But you're pretending something tragic happened when it didn't. Let's be crystal clear, the courts Did not rule that sending him to that facility was a violation of human rights. The court ruled that if they're doing that they need to give someone more time and warning in order for them to be able to address the situation because it is so serious.

Like I said, every single government be it state or federal in the history of America that has ever passed a law has had their laws challenged at one point or another in courts will advise them if it needs to be amended. This is not the same as trying to claim that "Trump violated people's rights!!!!! REEEEEEEEEE"

And it's impossible to take you seriously when you come up with that kind of absolutely asinine hyperbole.

And all I can say is you're being a complete dingbat and making an ass of yourself

And yes there is due process, lots and lots of due process and they were deported within the law. The judge ruled that the policy was inadequate in one area but other than that they faced complete proper process and in fact were given notice.

And in addition they got the guy back.

You're inventing something that doesn't exist and trying to blow it up into such a huge thing that it's some sort of crime to be compared with the holocaust or something. All of this stuff is happening within the law. If you don't like the law then you have to change the law, you can't get mad at people for enforcing the law.

I don't know why you can't get that simple concept into your teeny tiny little brain. These people are in the country without lawful excuse, and they are being removed from the country to bring them in compliance with the law. It's not punitive, it's not a violation of their rights, it is simple enforcement of the law. If the process of enforcing that law steps outside of the boundaries of what is constitutionally required then the government must correct that but at this point in time they are operating within the law and in good faith.

So your arguments are going to fall on deaf ears unless you can address that crap

[User]

37 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I know stubborn people like Taxme and User won't read this because they prefer to remain in the dark and act like Nazis.

How would you know?

You already said you were running like a coward to hide from me.

You are the one who has run from your lies and stupid arguments. 

 

[blackbird]

38 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And all I can say is you're being a complete dingbat and making an ass of yourself

Yea that's your usual response to anyone that disagrees.  That tells it all.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

Yea that's your usual response to anyone that disagrees.  That tells it all.

No it's my usual response to anyone that's being a complete dingbat and making an ass of themselves.

I explained in great detail why that's the case in your circumstances and I noticed you weren't able to address a single point.

. And I have explained why, I've explained the legal precedent behind it, and I've explained the current situation in terms of historical context when it comes to violating people's rights.

And you still can't address a single thing of it.

Kid, if you act like a complete twat you can't get angry if people point out that you're being a complete twat

[blackbird]

49 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And in addition they got the guy back.

So they brought one guy back that we know of because his case was a major continuous news story and received a lot of attention.   He was sent there illegally in the first place.  The fact is Trump sent hundreds of migrants to the CECOT prison.  There is no sign of them being brought back.

Trump sent hundreds to a death trap.  Why don't you be honest??

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Inside the El Salvador mega-prison where Trump is sending hundreds of immigrants

Inmates are kept in cells with scores of others and denied access to visitors and recreation.

US deports over 200 Venezuelan immigrants to El Salvador despite court ban

El Salvador's mega-prison, the centerpiece of its controversial anti-crime strategy, has become the latest holding ground for US deportees.

Hundreds of immigrants, alleged by US authorities to be members of Venezuela's notorious Tren de Aragua gang, were transferred to the Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT) on Sunday.

This move comes as part of a $6 million agreement between the Trump administration and El Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele, providing the US with a year's worth of detention services.

The CECOT, opened in 2023, stands as a stark symbol of Bukele's iron-fisted approach to crime. Within its walls, inmates are denied access to visitation, recreation, and education.

The transfer of the immigrants to the facility occurred despite a federal judge's order temporarily halting deportations under an 18th-century wartime declaration targeting Venezuelan gang members.

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CECOT: Trump has sent hundreds of immigrants to El Salvador mega-prison. This is what it’s like | The Independent

Edited Monday at 05:51 PM by blackbird

[User]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

So they brought one guy back that we know of because his case was a major continuous news story and received a lot of attention. 

No, they brought him back to face charges for his crimes. 

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Trump sent hundreds to a death trap.  Why don't you be honest??

Because there is nothing honest in saying it is a "death trap"

Has anyone died? No. Has anyone been tortured who was sent? No. 

 

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

So they brought one guy back that we know of because his case was a major continuous news story and received a lot of attention.   He was sent there illegally in the first place.  The fact is Trump sent hundreds of migrants to the CECOT prison.  There is no sign of them being brought back.

Trump sent hundreds to a death trap.  Why don't you be honest??

quote

Inside the El Salvador mega-prison where Trump is sending hundreds of immigrants

Inmates are kept in cells with scores of others and denied access to visitors and recreation.

US deports over 200 Venezuelan immigrants to El Salvador despite court ban

El Salvador's mega-prison, the centerpiece of its controversial anti-crime strategy, has become the latest holding ground for US deportees.

Hundreds of immigrants, alleged by US authorities to be members of Venezuela's notorious Tren de Aragua gang, were transferred to the Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT) on Sunday.

This move comes as part of a $6 million agreement between the Trump administration and El Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele, providing the US with a year's worth of detention services.

The CECOT, opened in 2023, stands as a stark symbol of Bukele's iron-fisted approach to crime. Within its walls, inmates are denied access to visitation, recreation, and education.

The transfer of the immigrants to the facility occurred despite a federal judge's order temporarily halting deportations under an 18th-century wartime declaration targeting Venezuelan gang members.

unquote

CECOT: Trump has sent hundreds of immigrants to El Salvador mega-prison. This is what it’s like | The Independent

So this is what I mean about Hyperbole.

No, it's not the one guy we know about. All of the people that were affected by this decision were specifically named. This is the only person the court ordered him to bring back.  No, his human rights were not violated. The judge ordered that the due process he was given was not sufficient in one element and that moving forward people should only be deported if they are given more extended warning. That is not the same as a human rights violation.

 

So you grossly exaggerate the situation to the point of lying about it. And then you expect to be taken seriously. You're behaving like a 7-year-old child.

If you wanted to say something like trump moved so quickly on this That the process cut too many corners and in some cases violated people's legal rights and had to be fixed, then that's not an unfair statement.

But claiming that there was a human rights violation, and that there was no due process, and all of the other crap you claim is utter bullshit. There was due process, the human rights were not violated, The judge ruled that their legal rights were violated because the due process did not go far enough not that there wasn't any.

Again nobody's going to take you seriously, if you have to lie to make your point, if you have to grossly exaggerate to the point of ridiculousness, then your point isn't very good

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

There was due process, the human rights were not violated,

Sending people to torture and death prison where human rights violations is the normal speaks for itself.  That you defend that speaks for itself.

[taxme]

On 6/21/2025 at 4:10 PM, robosmith said:

It wasn't until Trump's goons started going around demanding papers from random (or racially profiled) persons.

You gotta stop listening to FOS LIES no matter how they comfort you. LMAO

Thank gawd for Trump and ICE. They both are trying to get rid of the scumbag criminals that lieberal commies like you supported and have been allowed to enter America illegally and who are fighting like hell to try and keep the illegal criminals around and from being deported from America. 

What the phk is wrong with commie imbeciles like you where Trump and ICE are trying to get rid of the worse criminals around that are creating all kinds of crimes and havoc in America? Are you that bloody stupid to think that Trump and ICE are the bad guys here? Wake up, you commie lieberal imbecile. 

Of course, if you really are a communist, then you must then like what is going on in America with all of this illegal immigration going on. 

Thank gawd for FOX NEWS, otherwise, i would know nothing about what is going on with the immigration fiasco problem in America, you dumb cluck. Try getting the other side of the story, comrade. 🤮

[taxme]

On 6/21/2025 at 4:26 PM, blackbird said:

I already posted an article refuting that.  Migrants have been coming in for decades under both Republican and Dem administrations.  The numbers have been exaggerated by certain Republicans.

No, the numbers have not been exaggerated at all. I have watched FOX NEWS at night and they are always showing me pictures and videos of thousands of 3rd world aliens trying to enter America illegally. It was your lying lieberal demonrats that were lying thru their yellow stained teeth, and you believe all their BS. 

Sure migrants have been coming to America, but they started to come by the millions after old senile BiDumb opened the Mexican border gates and let in millions of illegals into America. Now Trump and ICE have to clean up the mess that the demonrat communists created. Wake up, you dumb fool. Stop always listening to CNN all the time, and instead try listening to FOX NEWS for a change and get the other side of the story.

To only know one side of the story, is to know nothing at all. That is you, one sided story man. 😁

[User]

21 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Sending people to torture and death prison where human rights violations is the normal speaks for itself.  That you defend that speaks for itself.

How many have been tortured or killed?

What human rights violations have they endured there?

I support this only in as much as it is a response to YOU supporting the complete lawlessness that got us here. Allowing the nation to be flooded with criminal, violent gangs, demands every lawful response possible to deal with. 

[taxme]

8 hours ago, Matthew said:

So you're rationale here is that committing a criminal act reliquishes someone's legal rights? 

But now here you're admitting the reality that committing a crime does not relinquish one's legal rights. Instead you're resorting back your other flawed rationale that only US citizens have legal rights in the US, which I've already demonstated to be false.

1. The 14th Amendment distnguishes between citizens and persons under a state's juristiction.

2. Obviously it would be illegal to murder or steal the property of a non-citizen. Because all people standing on US soil have certain basic rights. 

Look stunned. You seem to be very happy with the idea that the tens of millions of illegals in America should have the right to due process. Do you know as to how long that would take to have to give all those criminal illegals due process? I heard that it could take up to ten years or more to give them their due process. Of course, that is going to cost the American taxpayer's hundreds of millions of their tax dollars to give all those illegal criminals due process. 

Why you seem to feel that anyone that entered America illegally should get due process? Stop being a bleeding heart lieberal and stop with your support of giving criminal illegals due process. 80 million American citizen's voted for Trump to get rid of criminal illegals in order to try and make America safer again. You appear to want to make it worse, lieberal. 

FOX NEWS at night has reported many instances where many criminal illegals have raped, robbed and even murdered innocent Americans. Those are the people that Trump and ICE are trying to get rid of. And if some working illegal gets caught in some ICE raiding sting, well too bad for them. They get to be expelled also. 

This is why i despise lieberals like you so much. You buffoons always appear to want to make America not so safe and great again. You appear to just want to be a part of trying to destroy America. Disgusting indeed, lieberal. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Sending people to torture and death prison where human rights violations is the normal speaks for itself.  That you defend that speaks for itself.

Neither of those things are true.

He was not sent to torture and death in prison. Again you take a situation and radically inflated beyond all reason. He did face prison time but that is based on the laws of that nation and has nothing to do with America.

Which pretty much nullifies the second part. And again the courts concerns weren't that he was being sent back to the circumstances that he faced, the court's concern was that he had to be given enough warning beforehand so that he could explore his options

It's impossible to take you seriously when you have to lie in inflate to try and make your point. Obviously you know you're wrong or you wouldn't, the truth would be enough for you. But you throw the truth out the window and those who aren't in elementary school can see that

 

[blackbird]

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Neither of those things are true.

He was not sent to torture and death in prison. Again you take a situation and radically inflated beyond all reason. He did face prison time but that is based on the laws of that nation and has nothing to do with America.

Which pretty much nullifies the second part. And again the courts concerns weren't that he was being sent back to the circumstances that he faced, the court's concern was that he had to be given enough warning beforehand so that he could explore his options

It's impossible to take you seriously when you have to lie in inflate to try and make your point. Obviously you know you're wrong or you wouldn't, the truth would be enough for you. But you throw the truth out the window and those who aren't in elementary school can see that

 

Avgain you are talking only about Garcia.  I was referring several hundred who knowingly were sent to the notorious prison.

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Avgain you are talking only about Garcia.  I was referring several hundred who knowingly were sent to the notorious prison.

Dude we had this conversation

They're deportation was well within the law. They were in America unlawfully and they were removed.

If you don't like the laws in your country, then the choice is to change the laws. The choice is not to ignore the laws and break the laws just because you don't like that particular law. Unless you intend to challenge the law as being unconstitutional in court specifically but that's clearly not the case here. 

It is morally, ethically, constitutionally and criminally wrong to just decide you're going to support breaking a law because you don't feel like that law is a good law. 

And you can't condone and advocate other people breaking the law and then somehow pretend to be morally outraged because you feel that trump didn't obey the laws and now it's a horrible terrible thing for someone to do that.

These people were in the country without lawful excuse and they were removed. There is nothing immoral or unethical or even remotely poor about that. And if anyone feels that there is there a recourse is to change the law

I have more empathy if trump had been in power for the last four years but for god's sake it was Biden in the democrats who were in. They could have changed the laws at any time, but they absolutely did not and they just said well well we'll let criminals be criminals. Trump ran on the idea that that was not okay, and he won. That's pretty much the end of the discussion

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

If you don't like the laws in your country, then the choice is to change the laws.

I am not talking about changing any laws.  There are already laws and Constitutional rights.  The subject is not to change the law.  The subject is the Trump and his team are ignoring the Constitution, laws, and due process in order to meet his promised quota of deporting undocumented migrants.  His has no respect for human rights.  That has been made clear.

I have not been a Democratic supporter but I believe most Democrats would respect human rights far more what is happening now.  Of course what is happening is unethical and just plain wrong.  

Gangs of masked men without any ID shown are going around seizing people and deporting them.

Get off your high horse for a change and accept the truth.

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And you can't condone and advocate other people breaking the law and then somehow pretend to be morally outraged because you feel that trump didn't obey the laws and now it's a horrible terrible thing for someone to do that.

Nonsense.   I never condoned criminal behavior.  I just see people who are desperate to save their families and escape poverty and criminal gangs in central America as understandable.  I believe many of them have been working in the farming industry, restaurants, and hotels, etc. to feed their families.  Many are not criminals other than they came to America to try to save their families.  In the circumstances they came, I don't see that as a crime.  It is fascist to treat them like normal criminals.  I have changed my views on this recently since I see what is going on and how they are being treated by masked men.  There needs to be more empathy for people who are really trying to do their best to help themselves and their families and not treat them like scum and bad criminals for political gain.

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I am not talking about changing any laws.  There are already laws and Constitutional rights.  The subject is not to change the law.  The subject is the Trump and his team are ignoring the Constitution, laws, and due process in order to meet his promised quota of deporting undocumented migrants.  His has no respect for human rights.  That has been made clear.

 

That simply didn't happen.

You are making a false statement. Well the judge has ruled that their legal rights were violated it was a pretty minor violation and it was being corrected. That is an everyday occurrence with the law whether it's Trump or Biden or anybody.

The constitution has been absolutely upheld. And due process has been applied.

What's clear is you have managed to come to a conclusion and now you're trying to work your way back to an argument that supports it and that's never a good idea

People should be deported, these people were deported, and when errors have been detected or brought forward by the courts they've been corrected. There's not much left to talk about. They don't belong in the US and they're being removed under the proper methods given the laws.

[blackbird]

In addition to seizing and deporting thousands of people who are not a danger, we now find out that Trump has expanded his efforts to deport people who were granted legal status to be in the country.

quote

As Trump pledges mass deportation, he’s creating more undocumented people

More than 1 million people who were granted legal entry to the country under different programs are now considered here illegally by the Trump administration.

Flo, 31, had gone from a bleak future in Haiti to hope for a new life; she had landed a cashier’s job in her new city of Miami after coming to the country legally with a sponsor. Then, President Donald Trump declared that she and more than 1 million other people did not have legal permission to stay in the country.

Trump, seeking to go down in history as the president who carried out the largest mass deportation in U.S. history, deemed that the Biden administration program that allowed Flo and hundreds of thousands of others to legally enter the U.S was actually illegal. Flo asked not to use her full name because of fear of being targeted for deportation.

Trump has pledged to clear the country of people who are illegally here, but the new criteria is expected to significantly expand the pool of undocumented immigrants.

“If you’re looking for the definition of ‘self-fulling prophesy,’ look no further than Trump’s stream of policies that intentionally take legal status away from people so they go from being documented, to undocumented and then are fair game for being deported,” said Angela Kelley, an adviser at the American Immigration Lawyers Association and a former senior adviser on immigration for the Department of Homeland Security under the Biden administration.   unquote

How Trump’s deportation pledge is creating more undocumented immigrants

[blackbird]

This 2018 article explains that under Trump's first term in office, he separated thousands of children from their families.

 

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Why the US is separating migrant children from their parents

15 June 2018

The number of people trying to cross into the US has risen sharply recently

US Attorney General Jeff Sessions has defended the separation of migrant children from their parents at the border with Mexico, a measure that has faced increasing criticism.

The "zero-tolerance" policy he announced last month sees adults who try to cross the border, many planning to seek asylum, being placed in custody and facing criminal prosecution for illegal entry.

As a result, hundreds of minors are now being housed in detention centres, and kept away from their parents.

What is happening?

Over a recent six-week period, nearly 2,000 children were separated from their parents after illegally crossing the border, figures released on Friday said.

Mr Sessions said those entering the US irregularly would be criminally prosecuted, a change to a long-standing policy of charging most of those crossing for the first time with a misdemeanour offence.

As the adults are being charged with a crime, the children that come with them are being separated and deemed unaccompanied minors.

Advocates of separations point out that hundreds of children are taken from parents who commit crimes in the US on a daily basis.

As such, they are placed in custody of the Department of Health and Human Services and sent to a relative, foster home or a shelter - officials at those places are said to be already running out of space to house them.

Many of the families fled violence in their countries and planned to seek asylum in the US

In recent days, a former Walmart in Texas has been converted into a detention centre for immigrant children.

Officials have also announced plans to erect tent cities to hold hundreds more children in the Texas desert where temperatures regularly reach 40C (105F).

Local lawmaker Jose Rodriguez described the plan as "totally inhumane" and "outrageous", adding: "It should be condemned by anyone who has a moral sense of responsibility."

US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officials estimate that around 1,500 people are arrested each day for illegally crossing the border.

Migrant boys detained in a former Walmart in Texas

In the first two weeks of the "zero-tolerance" new approach, 658 minors - including many babies and toddlers - were separated from the adults that came with them, according to the CBP.

The practice, however, was apparently happening way before that, with reports saying more than 700 families had been affected between October and April.

Not only the families crossing irregularly are being targeted, activists who work at the border say, but also those presenting themselves at a port of entry.

"This is really extreme, it's nothing like we have seen before," said Michelle Brané, director of Migrant Rights and Justice at the Women's Refugee Commission, a New York-based non-governmental organisation that is helping some of these people.

In many of the cases, the families have already been reunited, after the parent was released from detention. However, there are reports of people being kept apart for weeks and even months.

Family separations had been reported in previous administrations but campaigners say the numbers then were very small.

Whose fault is it?

Mr Trump has blamed Democrats for the policy, saying "we have to break up the families" because of a law that "Democrats gave us".

It is unclear what law he is referring to, but no law has been passed by the US Congress that mandates that migrant families be separated.

Fact-checkers say that the only thing that has changed is the Justice Department's decision to criminally prosecute parents for a first-time border crossing offence. Because their children are not charged with a crime, they are not permitted to be jailed together.

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Why the US is separating migrant children from their parents

Edited yesterday at 03:28 AM by blackbird

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Nonsense.   I never condoned criminal behavior.  

Followed by....

 

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

I just see people who are desperate to save their families and escape poverty and criminal gangs in central America as understandable. 

That is literally you condoning criminal behavior. 

Kid you are running around in circles faster than a cat with a laser pointer attached to the overhead fan.

You're not condoning anyone breaking the law but you totally approve of them breaking the law because you understand why they're breaking the law which makes it acceptable for them to break the law but you're not condoning it. Except that you understand why they're breaking the law.

How are you not dizzy?

I'm going to keep this simple and relatively short for you. This is about one thing. You have empathy for these people and therefore you want everything they're doing to be okay and everything trump's doing to be wrong.

But facts and law don't care about your empathy. The fact is they don't belong here and they are not here lawfully and they should be removed. Literally everything you're bringing up other than that is complete bullshit.

If you feel that the law is not addressing their circumstances appropriately and that as a nation America should be more empathetic, then you need to change the law. If you don't attempt to change the law or push for it then you are accepting that what's happening to them is perfectly appropriate because what is happening to them is an enforcement of the current law.

So enough with your nonsense. This is the law, they broke the law, the law is now being enforced, everything is 100% above board. If any of it is distasteful to you then you are recourse is to look at changes to the law not to blame other people for enforcing it.

And you don't get to flip back and forth saying I don't like the law but I don't want to change the law but trump's breaking the law but it's okay that these people are breaking the law etc etc etc. If a law exists in force it, if you don't want to enforce it change the law.

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ICE detains wife of veteran and mother of newborn after routine green card appointment

Adrian Clouatre says he doesn't know what to tell his two young children after their mother, Paola, was detained by immigration authorities last month.

June 23, 2025, 1:07 PM PDT

By Allison Detzel

A Marine Corps veteran whose wife was detained by Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers during a routine green card appointment last month is pleading for her release.

Adrian Clouatre told The Associated Press that he does not know how to tell his kids about his wife’s detainment. When his nearly 2-year-old son Noah asks for his mother before bed, he just tells him, “Mama will be back soon.”

Since May 27, Paola Clouatre, 25, has been held at a deportation center in Monroe, Louisiana, hours away from her home in Baton Rouge, and their two young children.

Adrian Clouatre takes a selfie of himself and his wife Paola, on May 26, 2024 in Baton Rouge, La.Adrian Clouatre / AP

Adrian Clouatre, 26, is also concerned about his 3-month-old daughter, Lyn, whom Paola Clouatre was still breastfeeding when she was detained. He’s now forced to give his daughter baby formula and worries how she will bond with her mother due to her prolonged absence.

Paola Clouatre was brought to the United States from Mexico by her mother more than a decade ago to seek asylum. Following her marriage to Adrian Clouatre in 2024, she began the process of securing a green card so she could legally live and work in the U.S.

According to her husband, that process was going smoothly until she learned earlier this year that Immigration and Customs Enforcement had issued an order for her deportation in 2018, after her mother, from whom she had been estranged for years, failed to appear at an immigration hearing.

Last month, the 25-year-old was asked about the deportation order during a green card application appointment. Adrian Clouatre told The Associated Press that after his wife explained that she was trying to reopen her case, a staffer asked them to wait in the lobby for paperwork, which he now alleges was a “ploy.” Officers soon arrived and arrested his wife.

U.S. Marine Corps veteran Adrian Clouatre holds his 3-month-old daughter Lyn and his nearly two old son Noah at their home in Baton Rouge, La., on June 17.Stephen Smith / AP

Marine Corps recruiters have frequently promoted enlistment in the service as a way to gain “protection from deportation” for family members, according to The Associated Press. But under Donald Trump’s aggressive immigration crackdown, that deference policy has ended, immigration law experts tell the outlet.

As The Associated Press reports:

In a Feb. 28 memo, the agency said it “will no longer exempt” from deportation people in groups that had received more grace in the past. This includes the families of military personnel or veterans ... As of June 12, the agency said it has referred upward of 26,000 cases to ICE for deportation.

In a statement, Tricia McLaughlin, a spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security, told The Associated Press that the mother of two “is in the country illegally” and that the administration is “not going to ignore the rule of law.”

Adrian Clouatre told The Associated Press that he and his wife had just tried to “do the right thing.” The veteran, who served in the Marines for five years and qualifies as a service-disabled veteran, said he is “not a very political person” but believes his wife deserved to stay in the U.S.

“‘Get the criminals out of the country,’ right?” he said. “But the people that are here working hard, especially the ones married to Americans — I mean, that’s always been a way to secure a green card.”

According to the couple's lawyer, they have filed a motion for a judge to reopen the case on Paola Clouatre's deportation order and are waiting to hear back.     unquote

ICE detains wife of veteran and mother of newborn after routine green card appointment

 

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2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

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ICE detains wife of veteran and mother of newborn after routine green card appointment

Adrian Clouatre says he doesn't know what to tell his two young children after their mother, Paola, was detained by immigration authorities last month.

June 23, 2025, 1:07 PM PDT

By Allison Detzel

A Marine Corps veteran whose wife was detained by Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers during a routine green card appointment last month is pleading for her release.

Adrian Clouatre told The Associated Press that he does not know how to tell his kids about his wife’s detainment. When his nearly 2-year-old son Noah asks for his mother before bed, he just tells him, “Mama will be back soon.”

Since May 27, Paola Clouatre, 25, has been held at a deportation center in Monroe, Louisiana, hours away from her home in Baton Rouge, and their two young children.

Adrian Clouatre takes a selfie of himself and his wife Paola, on May 26, 2024 in Baton Rouge, La.Adrian Clouatre / AP

Adrian Clouatre, 26, is also concerned about his 3-month-old daughter, Lyn, whom Paola Clouatre was still breastfeeding when she was detained. He’s now forced to give his daughter baby formula and worries how she will bond with her mother due to her prolonged absence.

Paola Clouatre was brought to the United States from Mexico by her mother more than a decade ago to seek asylum. Following her marriage to Adrian Clouatre in 2024, she began the process of securing a green card so she could legally live and work in the U.S.

According to her husband, that process was going smoothly until she learned earlier this year that Immigration and Customs Enforcement had issued an order for her deportation in 2018, after her mother, from whom she had been estranged for years, failed to appear at an immigration hearing.

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Last month, the 25-year-old was asked about the deportation order during a green card application appointment. Adrian Clouatre told The Associated Press that after his wife explained that she was trying to reopen her case, a staffer asked them to wait in the lobby for paperwork, which he now alleges was a “ploy.” Officers soon arrived and arrested his wife.

U.S. Marine Corps veteran Adrian Clouatre holds his 3-month-old daughter Lyn and his nearly two old son Noah at their home in Baton Rouge, La., on June 17.Stephen Smith / AP

Marine Corps recruiters have frequently promoted enlistment in the service as a way to gain “protection from deportation” for family members, according to The Associated Press. But under Donald Trump’s aggressive immigration crackdown, that deference policy has ended, immigration law experts tell the outlet.

As The Associated Press reports:

In a Feb. 28 memo, the agency said it “will no longer exempt” from deportation people in groups that had received more grace in the past. This includes the families of military personnel or veterans ... As of June 12, the agency said it has referred upward of 26,000 cases to ICE for deportation.

In a statement, Tricia McLaughlin, a spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security, told The Associated Press that the mother of two “is in the country illegally” and that the administration is “not going to ignore the rule of law.”

Adrian Clouatre told The Associated Press that he and his wife had just tried to “do the right thing.” The veteran, who served in the Marines for five years and qualifies as a service-disabled veteran, said he is “not a very political person” but believes his wife deserved to stay in the U.S.

“‘Get the criminals out of the country,’ right?” he said. “But the people that are here working hard, especially the ones married to Americans — I mean, that’s always been a way to secure a green card.”

According to the couple's lawyer, they have filed a motion for a judge to reopen the case on Paola Clouatre's deportation order and are waiting to hear back.     unquote

ICE detains wife of veteran and mother of newborn after routine green card appointment

 

So she was in the country illegally, knew that she was in the country illegally, and decided to have children in the country illegally, and is now unhappy that she is going to be leaving the country that she was told to leave 4 years ago. 

 

And? She sounds like a terrible person who did not take breaking the law seriously and put her family in jepoardy by remaining when she wasn't allowed to. Throw her ass out and she can apply from her country of origin. 

And next time don't just ignore your deportation order for 7 years.