Canada increasingly dependent on low-wage migrant workers, says report

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

A lot of those foreign students bring in a lot of money.

Not a lot.  Not when you look at the costs. The best you can say is they help fund our universities but at a severe cost to everything else. 

If we had enough homes to go around etc then maybe but the fact is students are not a net positive for us in and of themselves 

14 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

I did renovations for an ESL teacher at a small school for foreign students, mostly Chinese and Saudis. Apart from paid tuition and paid accommodations, they all had allowances from their families of up to $10,000 a month. 

which won't be taxed. But they'll still get health care. They'll still take up a living space which is in short supply.  They'll still take a job a Canadian might have needed.  At least you're talking about a teacher and not  a student (nice little swap there, don't think i didn't notice), so at least they do earn SOMETHING and get taxed a little 

Every person who lives here consumes resources. They take up opportunity, they take up medical and educational resources, they take up health resources, they take up housing and electricity generation and a bunch of other stuff.

If they are not creating wealth here Sufficient to justify those resources in a form that can be taxed then they are draining our resources.

In addition if we are not doing what we need to do to replace those resources faster than new people are coming in then even if they are helping generate wealth it will do no good

18 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

And a lot of the university students stay on and contribute after their education.

Sure, but they wind up contributing at a much lower rate and natural born citizens. Interestingly on average their children will tend to outperform when the time comes but thats later. 

Having said that, those who have an upbringing thata's as close to our own society as possible will do the best, with English as a first or very strong second language being one of the biggest prerequisites.  So bringing in those that most closely reflect our language and culture puts the least amount of strain on the resources and produces the best return on that investment.

It's pretty simple.

And at the end of the day we can't afford to bring in any more people than we can provide housing and other resources for, so it's logical that we pick the very best candidates who are going to be the most successful and contribute the most as quickly as possible. Even in a perfect scenario they are not going to do as well as a natural born Canadian, but the closer we can get the better

 

[eyeball]

On 6/1/2025 at 4:01 PM, herbie said:

There's too many people in Canada?

As evidenced by the fact there isn't enough to go around, starting with the things that matter most, shelter and food.

I get it there's tons of excuses why but apparently there's also a shortage of practical solutions.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

As evidenced by the fact there isn't enough to go around,

There's plenty of things to go around

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starting with the things that matter most, shelter and food.

There's plenty of food and if the government would get its act together we can build more homes.

 

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I get it there's tons of excuses why but apparently there's also a shortage of practical solutions.

There is an abundance of practical solutions. You voted against the party that was presenting them and decided to stick with the party that has been failing to provide any for over a decade.

I suspect if we got rid of you and people like you then suddenly there would be tons of resources for everyone

Edited Tuesday at 08:45 PM by CdnFox

[taxme]

On 5/27/2025 at 1:18 PM, CdnFox said:

Canada increasingly dependent on low-wage migrant workers, says report | National Post

“Not only has Canada experienced an unprecedented surge in immigration, but the composition of recent newcomers has been markedly different than in the past,” reads a discussion paper published May 9 by the bank’s Economic Analysis Department.

The paper found that, driven largely by a surge in temporary migration, the average Canadian immigrant has now become younger, lower-skilled and more likely to hail from poorer regions such as India, sub-Saharan Africa or the Middle East.

Starting in 2022, Canada began accepting more than one million newcomers per year, mostly in “non-permanent” categories of immigrants ranging from international students, who are among those admitted under the international mobility program, to temporary foreign workers.

The Bank of Canada document shows that this wasn’t just unprecedented for Canada, but it went well beyond the pale of any comparable advanced economy.

 

 

This isn't going to change substantially under Carney. 

 

This is a great way to temporarily mask poor financial performance. And it helps cover up for the fact that businesses aren't investing in the technology or things necessary to be more competitive.

 

But it's absolutely terrible in the medium to long-term for the country. This is why our GDP per capita is nose diving and why companies aren't bothering to invest.

It looks more to me like our politicians and the globalist corporate elite in this country want to destroy the middle class by bringing in new immigrants to work at half the salary. The middle class in this country is dying. And when that liar Corney says that he wants to help improve the lives of middle class people in Canada, you must know by now that that is a lie. Corney wants to do the reverse and destroy the middle class.

When the lieberals say what they are going to do, think and go the opposite. Pretty much all politicians lie especially the lieberal politicians that are experts at telling lies and spreading bull chit. What is going on in Canada is all part of a WEF globalist destruction of Canada and the middle class and it is working for that fascist globalist elite ilk. Believe it or not. 

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, taxme said:

It looks more to me like our politicians and the globalist corporate elite in this country want to destroy the middle class by bringing in new immigrants to work at half the salary. The middle class in this country is dying. And when that liar Corney says that he wants to help improve the lives of middle class people in Canada, you must know by now that that is a lie. Corney wants to do the reverse and destroy the middle class.

When the lieberals say what they are going to do, think and go the opposite. Pretty much all politicians lie especially the lieberal politicians that are experts at telling lies and spreading bull chit. What is going on in Canada is all part of a WEF globalist destruction of Canada and the middle class and it is working for that fascist globalist elite ilk. Believe it or not. 

What the elites want is a population they can control. The strong middle class is independent, a weak middle class or the elimination of the middle class makes people dependent on government handouts, government programs, the government in general.

There are lots of good politicians. But there are ones who are entirely in it for themselves and will happily destroy Canada to see that happen and most of them work for the liberals

[taxme]

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

What the elites want is a population they can control. The strong middle class is independent, a weak middle class or the elimination of the middle class makes people dependent on government handouts, government programs, the government in general.

There are lots of good politicians. But there are ones who are entirely in it for themselves and will happily destroy Canada to see that happen and most of them work for the liberals

I believe that what happened during and after the end of covid was all part of a WEF globalist elite plan to see as to how far they can go and get away with trying to bamboozle the general public. 

Hopefully, we the sheeple will not allow those scumbags to get away with another covid like lie ever again. If the lying MSM tries to convince most of we the sheeple that we are in another crisis, like this now climate crisis, and the believe it, then they deserve what they get. They will end up with eating bugs and owning nothing. Sometimes i think that should it be the globalists that i should really fear or some of those zombie like follower sheeple out there. Both are dangerous to freedom. Just saying. 

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

I believe that what happened during and after the end of covid was all part of a WEF globalist elite plan to see as to how far they can go and get away with trying to bamboozle the general public. 

Hopefully, we the sheeple will not allow those scumbags to get away with another covid like lie ever again. If the lying MSM tries to convince most of we the sheeple that we are in another crisis, like this now climate crisis, and the believe it, then they deserve what they get. They will end up with eating bugs and owning nothing. Sometimes i think that should it be the globalists that i should really fear or some of those zombie like follower sheeple out there. Both are dangerous to freedom. Just saying. 

 

They never like to let a good crisis go to waste

[Barquentine]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

At least you're talking about a teacher and not  a student (nice little swap there, don't think i didn't notice), so at least they do earn SOMETHING and get taxed a little 

I'm sorry you're so slow in the uptake. The TEACHER is CANADIAN, the students are FOREIGN. Get it?

The STUDENTS bring in a lot of MONEY and spend it here. That is GOOD for our ECONOMY. ( I'm writing slow so you'll understand.)

[Barquentine]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Every person who lives here consumes resources. They take up opportunity, they take up medical and educational resources, they take up health resources, they take up housing and electricity generation and a bunch of other stuff.

Those Damn Canadians! Let's kick about 10 million of 'em out.

[Barquentine]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

What the elites want is a population they can control. The strong middle class is independent, a weak middle class or the elimination of the middle class makes people dependent on government handouts, government programs, the government in general.

There are lots of good politicians. But there are ones who are entirely in it for themselves and will happily destroy Canada to see that happen and most of them work for the liberals

You're a regular Canadian Qanon. Let's hear some more conspiracy theories. Hope you're stocked up on tinfoil hats!

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I suspect if we got rid of you and people like you then suddenly there would be tons of resources for everyone

That's the spirit! Get rid of the Vermin! ( I prefer your rants in their original German.)

[Barquentine]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Even in a perfect scenario they are not going to do as well as a natural born Canadian, but the closer we can get the better

And of course that's not just a bigoted opinion. You have facts to back it up?

[Barquentine]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Interestingly on average their children will tend to outperform when the time comes but thats later. 

But we can't look ahead. Short term thinking only for you. Remember the definition of a conservative: 'Someone averse to change." Lead us on to the 1950's.

[herbie]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

As evidenced by the fact there isn't enough to go around, starting with the things that matter most, shelter and food.

There's more than enough food to go around or we wouldn't be exporting so much.
As far as shelter goes there's plenty where people are too stubborn to move to.
Tack on the corporate mentality that after Covid proved so many can remote work, they all wanted them back in their offices to keep the price of floor space up and be within voice range for micromanaging. How many housing units could be built into those Hudsons Bay stores? Will they DO that? Not a chance....

[CdnFox]

40 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

I'm sorry you're so slow in the uptake. The TEACHER is CANADIAN, the students are FOREIGN. Get it?

 

I'm sorry you're unable to communicate clearly, but sure.  Maybe you can get her to help you next time  

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The STUDENTS bring in a lot of MONEY and spend it here. That is GOOD for our ECONOMY. ( I'm writing slow so you'll understand.)

Nope. They bring in tiny amounts.  And it's not taxed here.  It's mildly sort of ok'ish for the economy but it would be no loss. 

Jobs are a different matter. 

39 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Those Damn Canadians! Let's kick about 10 million of 'em out.

the Canadians are paying the bills. The problem is immigrants. 

38 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

You're a regular Canadian Qanon. Let's hear some more conspiracy theories. Hope you're stocked up on tinfoil hats!

So in other words You know I'm RIGHT and you're big mad about it and have no rebuttal. 

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That's the spirit! Get rid of the Vermin! ( I prefer your rants in their original German.)

You sound like the kind of person who would     As to getting rid of 'vermin', you can always leave on your own you know.   

35 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

And of course that's not just a bigoted opinion. You have facts to back it up?

Sure. There's a number of studies done in canada i've posted a bunch on this board myself. They're super easy to find too, go google it.  Everything i said was from studies done over the last 10 years.  And there's nothing 'bigoted' about it, there's serious barriers that immigrants face and there's nothing that will change that. These can only be overcome with time and resources.  So the question becomes which immigrants or which factors predict success and require the least amount of resources. 

Here, have  a freebee, this goes over some of the calculation methodology for trying to predict that. I prefer historic results surveys rather than predictive models but you might find it interesting at least. As you will see one of the biggest determining factors for sucess are how "canadianized' the family is already, if they've worked and had experience in canada and other studies note that if they've had experience in similar cultures then the effect is similar. 

So someone coming from the USA is going to have an easier time making income and getting established than someone  from Zimbabwe.  And that should be pretty obvious.  Shared experience and culture is useful when establishing yourself. 

Which immigration selection factors best predict the earnings of economic principal applicants? - Canada.ca

43 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

But we can't look ahead. Short term thinking only for you. Remember the definition of a conservative: 'Someone averse to change." Lead us on to the 1950's.

Awww - you're so cute when you have your little emotional break downs   LOLOLOL

the fact that REAL canadians (their children) will do better does not change the fact that the parents who will never catch up to their canadian peers on average are drains on the system and pay less tax but consume the same resources. 

Which means we should minimize that if we can. 

Now, do you think you can be a big boy and deal with the facts? Or are you going to just freak out and call names again?

Oh and just reply with one post you freak? I realize you get emotional about this but surely you can hold a thought that long

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

There's more than enough food to go around or we wouldn't be exporting so much.
As far as shelter goes there's plenty where people are too stubborn to move to.

Even people who've immigrated here are moving on because of the scarcities they're experiencing.

In any case I do get what you're saying, but it's ultimately unsustainable. I fail to see why we should wait until it hits home to start coming to terms with it.

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Even people who've immigrated here are moving on because of the scarcities they're experiencing.

In any case I do get what you're saying, but it's ultimately unsustainable. I fail to see why we should wait until it hits home to start coming to terms with it.

They are moving on because of the absolutely shitty environment created by the liberals.

The problem isn't even a little bit that there's not enough to go around, the problem is that the rate of growth grows faster than the stuff that goes around. That's relatively easy to solve, or would have been if we had gotten rid of the liberals.

There's plenty to go around and we could literally triple our population without suffering a single iota as long as we did it had a pace that kept up with our growth of resources. And that growth depends on us and how fast we want to build

[herbie]

37 minutes ago, eyeball said:

In any case I do get what you're saying, but it's ultimately unsustainable

I highly disagree, we're not talking 1.2 billion population. You speak doom and gloom as if that were the case.

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, herbie said:

I highly disagree, we're not talking 1.2 billion population. You speak doom and gloom as if that were the case.

100 million isn't gloomy enough? It'll take a lot of unleashing to accomplish that, including widespread acceptance of lower standards across the board. Like those related to environmental protection, land use, public safety, community planning, building and property zoning...you name it. Who's going to pay for and build the infrastructure to accommodate another 50-60 million people?

As for Canada's vast empty spaces...people seem to be evacuating them these days. You'll probably see more not less of that.

And don't forget the effects of AI and automation eliminating a need for labourers looming on the horizon. Our population growth is unsustainable on many levels.

I'm willing to allow for the possibility the day will come when AI can accomplish everything we desire including providing it sustainably and so cheaply it's virtually free but...

Have you seen public attitudes towards doling out free stuff? They're probably worse than most people normally have towards letting immigrants in.

[taxme]

19 hours ago, Barquentine said:

I'm sorry you're so slow in the uptake. The TEACHER is CANADIAN, the students are FOREIGN. Get it?

The STUDENTS bring in a lot of MONEY and spend it here. That is GOOD for our ECONOMY. ( I'm writing slow so you'll understand.)

No, it's not good for the economy, silly. They take up housing spaces away from born in Canada Canadians. The economy would not crash if those foreign students did not come here. 

So Canadians should stop worrying about the housing crisis, the climate crisis and the massive 3rd world immigration fiasco because it's all about the money? Is that all you lefty lieberals think about is money? Let us turn Canada into a 3rd world hell hole just for the money. Lieberals, always thinking about themselves and the money and help in the destruction of Canada in the process. Liberalism equals disease. 🤮