Utah Gender Affirming Care Study Released

[Michael Hardner]

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2025/05/22/utah-lawmakers-own-study-found/

 

"Utah‘s ban on gender-affirming care for transgender youth was meant to be a moratorium, giving lawmakers the chance to reevaluate the policy once experts reviewed research on the impacts of treatment.

 

This week, nearly 2½ years after the law took effect, lawmakers received the findings of that study.

 

Utah health care experts concluded, in a more than 1,000-page report, “Overall, there were positive mental health and psychosocial functioning outcomes” as a result of gender-affirming care. But some Republican legislators are already dismissing those findings."

Why call for a study if you are going to dismiss the findings?

It seems to be because a lot of people don't want to listen and don't want to care.

[User]

45 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Why call for a study if you are going to dismiss the findings?

It seems to be because a lot of people don't want to listen and don't want to care.

Disagreement is not dismissal. Also, you conflate policy with a study. The study showed positive and negative outcomes, but loosely concluded overall positive impacts to mental health but more deaths from suicide and HIV/AIDS. It is up to the politicians we elect to determine what is the best policy. 

This study was very limited in the scope of what it was being asked to look at as well. There are more considerations around what overall policy should be. 

But hey... you keep pushing the trans madness. 

 

[herbie]

Supporting anything that f*cks over other people is a GOP virtue now. Feeling good because someone else lost something is righteousness. A$$holiness is the path to Godliness.

[Moonlight Graham]

If you want to lower depression and suicide in youth, teach them that their bodies are healthy and beautiful and perfect just the way nature made them.  Telling someone that they were "born in the wrong body" is absolutely disgusting and psychologically abusive.  As is enabling delusions using powerful medications and cosmetic surgeries.

If a guy wants to wear lipstick and a dress then wear lipstick and a dress.

[Moonlight Graham]

"Father, I'm very depressed.  Can I pump myself full of hormones until I grow boobs and then cut my d*ck off?  It'll make me feel better".

"Yes, son.  Head to the car while I grab the keys and tell mom we'll be late for dinner".

[User]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

Supporting anything that f*cks over other people is a GOP virtue now. Feeling good because someone else lost something is righteousness. A$$holiness is the path to Godliness.

No. You are the ones who are f*ucking over women and girls when you support the trans madness, stealing from them their places on the podium. 

3 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

If you want to lower depression and suicide in youth, teach them that their bodies are healthy and beautiful and perfect just the way nature made them.  Telling someone that they were "born in the wrong body" is absolutely disgusting and psychologically abusive.  As is enabling delusions using powerful medications and cosmetic surgeries.

If a guy wants to wear lipstick and a dress then wear lipstick and a dress.

And as this study points towards... encouraging more kids to do this increases deaths. 

[Legato]

13 hours ago, herbie said:

 A$$holiness is the path to Godliness.

I thought you weren't religious.

 

[TreeBeard]

On 5/24/2025 at 10:34 AM, User said:

Disagreement is not dismissal.

If your political party was made up of medical experts, this might make some sense. 

[User]

1 minute ago, TreeBeard said:

If your political party was made up of medical experts, this might make some sense. 

Unfortunately, unless you are a medical expert, you can't say anything here about this. 

[TreeBeard]

On 5/24/2025 at 9:43 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Why call for a study if you are going to dismiss the findings?

Because they were hoping it would support their predetermined conclusions.  When it doesn’t, just dismiss it.  Republicans in Utah won’t care.  In fact, the Republicans in Utah are probably glad they don’t listen to experts in this case.  

[Michael Hardner]

21 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Because they were hoping it would support their predetermined conclusions.  

I liked that they deferred to experts in the field but it was poor leadership to veto the findings.  

[TreeBeard]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

I liked that they deferred to experts in the field but it was poor leadership to veto the findings.  

They didn’t defer to experts.  They hoped the experts would give them the answers they sought. When they didn’t confirm their biased opinions, they tossed the results.  

[User]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I liked that they deferred to experts in the field but it was poor leadership to veto the findings.  

Since you ignored this before...

Disagreement is not dismissal. Also, you conflate policy with a study. The study showed positive and negative outcomes, but loosely concluded overall positive impacts to mental health but more deaths from suicide and HIV/AIDS. It is up to the politicians we elect to determine what is the best policy. 

This study was very limited in the scope of what it was being asked to look at as well. There are more considerations around what overall policy should be. 

But hey... you keep pushing the trans madness. 

[Michael Hardner]

38 minutes ago, User said:

Since you ignored this before...

Disagreement is not dismissal.  

Yes, I have come to recognize that you like to use wordplay as a substitute for substantive discussion. I find it dull so I don't engage with it.

You had some points about the report, but I found it unclear: it said that children who are referred had a lower suicide rate. 

As I've said, I'm more concerned with the public sphere. Politicians should not put themselves above science and medicine.

 

 

 

[User]

23 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Yes, I have come to recognize that you like to use wordplay as a substitute for substantive discussion. I find it dull so I don't engage with it.

I have come to recognize you will come up with any excuse or obfuscation to avoid substantive discussion. You don't engage because you avoid it. 

24 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You had some points about the report, but I found it unclear: it said that children who are referred had a lower suicide rate. 

I was pretty clear that the study you cited showed a negative outcome of more deaths from suicide and AIDS. 

25 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

As I've said, I'm more concerned with the public sphere. Politicians should not put themselves above science and medicine.

Politicians are the ones we elect to implement policy in that public sphere... There are more concerns to public policy than science and medicine as scientists come up with the results and findings, and are not experts in how best to shape public policy around them. 

Again, to my point, the "science" you cited here gave pros and cons to consider here. Any policy will have to weigh that, the "science" does not.