Yugoslavia/Czechoslovakia - Peace in Europe post Soviet style

[August1991]

20 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I'm not arguing pre-1945 was less violent than the Cold War.  Pre-1945 was a multipolar world order vs a bipolar order during the Cold War.  Post-1991 has been a unipolar world order with the US as the sole superpower and global hegemon.

It's an odd thing to argue that Canada and the world will be safer with a strong China.

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MG,

My point is that after 1815, Europe got along. Then, in the Summer 1914, it didn't.

China? Chinese?

I suspect that we Canadians have a better understanding of life.

 

[User]

21 minutes ago, August1991 said:

MG,

My point is that after 1815, Europe got along. Then, in the Summer 1914, it didn't.

China? Chinese?

I suspect that we Canadians have a better understanding of life.

 

It is 2025. A lot has changed since 1914 and you want to make it worse. 

[August1991]

46 minutes ago, User said:

It is 2025. A lot has changed since 1914 and you want to make it worse. 

There's your tell.

User is a Chinese ai robot.

[User]

Just now, August1991 said:

There's your tell.

User is a Chinese ai robot.

Yeah, and you are a cheap Russian troll working from a mental ward. 

 

[August1991]

5 minutes ago, User said:

Yeah, and you are a cheap Russian troll working from a mental ward. 

 

Lol!

And my posts - my monikor - remain visible for all.

My father was born in Newfoundland.

[August1991]

5 hours ago, -TSS- said:

I thought the US these days is self-sufficient with oil so that the oil-argument justifying getting involved in the Middle-East is outdated.

True.

With current oil extraction methods, the US is energy independent.

 

[August1991]

I was curious about this.

Why do we have so much oil? (Quebec has easily available shale oil below the St. Lawrence River basin.)

Several hundred million years ago, no animal could digest cellulose.

There were ferns (trees) - ants can now eat such cellulose.

We humans cannot extract food from trees. 

[Moonlight Graham]

22 hours ago, August1991 said:

MG,

My point is that after 1815, Europe got along. Then, in the Summer 1914, it didn't.

China? Chinese?

I suspect that we Canadians have a better understanding of life.

Yes, post-1815 (post-Napoleonic Wars) they created the Concert of Europe and we had 100 years of peace in Europe.  This was the blueprint for the UN Security Council.  In both cases they created a "balance of powers", where an attack on one is deemed an attack on all, therefore no one powerful nation can dominate any others.  https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concert_of_Europe

By 1914, this Concert of Europe had collapsed because European countries had formed their own alliances into 2 groups out of fear and on a rising security spiral.  These 2 competing alliances eventually went to war with each other in WWI, and it happened again in WWII.

The UN's creation did not prevent direct war between superpowers since every permanent member has a veto, and countries cheated all the time.  Nukes prevented direct war, resulting in endless proxy wars including civil wars that are still raging to this day, such as in the middle-east and Africa.

We've now entered a new Cold War.  China has been trying to rig our elections, influence our politicians, and engaged in economic warfare including corporate espionage, especially in the tech sector.  The nuclear arms race is mostly over.  We have entered an AI arms race.  We don't need uranium, we need CPU/GPU chip-making infrastructure and rare earth metals.

For the sake of western civilization, do not buy or use smart devices like phones/tv's made by ZTE, Hauwei, Hisense etc.  The tech IP is all stolen, and what the Chinese save in R&D costs is used to undercut their competitors on price.  If Chinese AI systems eventually dominate the global marketplace our economies, political systems, and national security are under existential threat.  May Google, Apple, Tesla, Samsung etc destroy them.  RIP Nortel, early victim of the tech wars.

[August1991]

On 5/24/2025 at 8:02 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

Yes, post-1815 (post-Napoleonic Wars) they created the Concert of Europe and we had 100 years of peace in Europe.  This was the blueprint for the UN Security Council.....

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We've now entered a new Cold War.  China has been trying to rig our elections, influence our politicians, and engaged in economic warfare including corporate espionage, especially in the tech sector.

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New Cold War?

Strongly disagree.

[August1991]

The Soviet Union and Maoist China were a threat.

JFK, Nixon, guys in Vietnam defeated them. Reagan won.

[Moonlight Graham]

40 minutes ago, August1991 said:

The Soviet Union and Maoist China were a threat.

JFK, Nixon, guys in Vietnam defeated them. Reagan won.

How is China not a threat?

[August1991]

China?
Russia?

Ordinary Chinese people and Russians are no longer a threat.

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This is the fundamental change of Truman, JFK, Reagan - you Americans.

You Americans won the Cold War.

Edited May 26 by August1991

[User]

49 minutes ago, August1991 said:

China?
Russia?

Ordinary Chinese people and Russians are no longer a threat.

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This is the fundamental change of Truman, JFK, Reagan - you Americans.

You Americans won the Cold War.

Russians are literally invading Ukraine as we speak, trying to conquer them, killing people. 

You: DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR rUsSiAnS nO lOnGeR a ThReAt DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[August1991]

26 minutes ago, User said:

Russians are literally invading Ukraine as we speak, trying to conquer them, killing people.

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By some accounts, 5000 are dying each week.

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I agree with Trump. This death and destruction must stop.

It should never have happened.

[eyeball]

20 hours ago, August1991 said:

China?
Russia?

Ordinary Chinese people and Russians are no longer a threat.

Ordinary people are never the threat, they're always the victims.

[August1991]

On 5/26/2025 at 8:50 PM, eyeball said:

Ordinary people are never the threat, they're always the victims.

Since the 1990s, we need a new system of peace.

Versailles, 1918, decided nothing. The world was a mess between 1914 until 1945/1949.

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In summer 1914, the elite said that it would be a short war.

Edited Friday at 01:35 AM by August1991

[User]

12 hours ago, August1991 said:

Since the 1990s, we need a new system of peace

What does talking about WWI have to do with saying since the 1990’s we need a new system of peace? 

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 5/22/2025 at 4:22 AM, August1991 said:

You Americans did this with Missouri and Kansas.

Heck, you created West Virginia in an attempt to avoid a Civil War.

Look for recent European comparisons, preferably in this century. Putin constantly harps way back to justify his invasion. The Poles, Czechs, Irish and other small nations have no need to fear the German and British empires any more but they certainly do need to fear the Russian empire which is still very much alive and living by 19’th century rules. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 5/24/2025 at 1:43 AM, August1991 said:

MG,

My point is that after 1815, Europe got along.

Not really. There was order without freedom. The rights of small nations were trampled on for another century, for many nations until 1989. Russia hasn’t got the message yet and China may never get it which means the world may be heading in a very dark direction, back to the ‘good old days’ when a handful of men made all the decisions. 

Edited yesterday at 12:23 PM by SpankyMcFarland

[August1991]

19 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Not really. There was order without freedom. The rights of small nations were trampled on for another century, for many nations until 1989. Russia hasn’t got the message yet and China may never get it which means the world may be heading in a very dark direction, back to the ‘good old days’ when a handful of men made all the decisions. 

From 1815 until 1914, most ordinary people in Europe lived in peace. The world was getting better.

Then, in Summer 1914, the European elite f*cked it up.

[August1991]

From 1914 to 1945, several hundred million people died - around the world, lives changed.

For what?

Surely there's a better way.