The pandemic isn't over: New COVID cases are on the rise in Hong Kong, Singapore, Thailand, and other South Asian Countries

robosmith · Monday at 05:01 PM

17 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The "pandemic" wasn't over in 2022 either, stupid. Canada set a record for covid deaths that year.

FYI the 'pandemic' is just something that leftards trot out when they want to harm the economy and ostracize people due to their political affiliations.

Too bad you got NOTHING BUT YOUR OPINION.

They named the virus "severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2" or "SARS-CoV-2." In March 2020, the WHO officially declared the COVID-19 outbreak a pandemic. In May 2023, the WHO declared an end to the public health emergency of international concern. Here's what happened along the way.

When Did the Pandemic Start and End?

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Northwestern Medicine

https://www.nm.org › covid-19-pandemic-timeline

gatomontes99 · Monday at 05:20 PM

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Yes, you must ASSume, as usual, because you got NOTHING ELSE, BUT TROLLING.

^NOTHING BUT TROLLING, ever. 🤮

Me thinks the lady doth protest too much.

User · Monday at 05:24 PM

22 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Too bad you got NOTHING BUT YOUR OPINION.

You literally started this thread trying to say there was some conspiracy to China creating this to get Trump, so you could blame Trump.

Hodad · Monday at 09:37 PM

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The "pandemic" wasn't over in 2022 either, stupid. Canada set a record for covid deaths that year.

FYI the 'pandemic' is just something that leftards trot out when they want to harm the economy and ostracize people due to their political affiliations.

This is you saying the quite part out loud. In your twisted little mind, science and medicine are political issues.

Edited Monday at 09:38 PM by Hodad

User · Monday at 10:11 PM

31 minutes ago, Hodad said:

This is you saying the quite part out loud. In your twisted little mind, science and medicine are political issues

*cough* quiet *cough*

Also, COVID was very much politicized across the board. Especially with how folks like you will push a political position veiled behind the claim that it is "THE SCIENCE! TM"

CdnFox · Monday at 10:46 PM

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

This is you saying the quite part out loud. In your twisted little mind, science and medicine are political issues.

No that would be you saying the quiet part out loud. What he said was the loud part out loud and it's true.

The democrats and the left wing use this for political purposes ignoring science. That absolutely happened.

35 minutes ago, User said:

*cough* quiet *cough*

Also, COVID was very much politicized across the board. Especially with how folks like you will push a political position veiled behind the claim that it is "THE SCIENCE! TM"

You're American so you probably missed this, but our left wing prime minister at the time actually stood up and said on public television that anyone who didn't take the shots were probably biggest and misogynists and waste of space that shouldn't be tolerated

Sounds a little political to me

WestCanMan · Tuesday at 02:54 PM

21 hours ago, robosmith said:

Too bad you got NOTHING BUT YOUR OPINION.

They named the virus "severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2" or "SARS-CoV-2." In March 2020, the WHO officially declared the COVID-19 outbreak a pandemic. In May 2023, the WHO declared an end to the public health emergency of international concern. Here's what happened along the way.

When Did the Pandemic Start and End?

Northwestern Medicine

https://www.nm.org › covid-19-pandemic-timeline

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62959089

Biden said the pandemic was over in 2022 you worthless sack of crap, but "vaxed" Canadians were still dropping like flies.

User · Tuesday at 03:35 PM

39 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62959089

Biden said the pandemic was over in 2022 you worthless sack of crap, but "vaxed" Canadians were still dropping like flies.

You are still pushing this lie. Just as many unvaccinated were dying in 2022 and when you factor in that Canada had a high rate of vaccination... that doesn't make it better for the unvaccinated.

robosmith · Tuesday at 03:46 PM

51 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62959089

Biden said the pandemic was over in 2022 you worthless sack of crap, but "vaxed" Canadians were still dropping like flies.

Apparently you are ILLITERATE. According to YOUR CITE:

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Covid-19 pandemic is over in the US - Joe Biden

WestCanMan · Tuesday at 04:32 PM

50 minutes ago, User said:

You are still pushing this lie. Just as many unvaccinated were dying in 2022 and when you factor in that Canada had a high rate of vaccination... that doesn't make it better for the unvaccinated.

I never said that only vaxed were dying, but it bears repeating that huge numbers of vaxed were dying because our MSM completely ignored that aspect of this whole scenario.

If people want to say that it provides "maybe a little bit of protection but there are some bad side-effects associated with it as well", I'm fine with that.

Bottom line though: Canadians got behind our gov't forcing people who had no need of it to take it, and now we know for absolute certain that it was nowhere near effective or safe enough to warrant all that fascist behaviour.

robosmith · Tuesday at 04:40 PM

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I never said that only vaxed were dying, but it bears repeating that huge numbers of vaxed were dying because our MSM completely ignored that aspect of this whole scenario.

If people want to say that it provides "maybe a little bit of protection but there are some bad side-effects associated with it as well", I'm fine with that.

Bottom line though: Canadians got behind our gov't forcing people who had no need of it to take it, and now we know for absolute certain that it was nowhere near effective or safe enough to warrant all that fascist behaviour.

You've already been SHOWN the death rate in Canada was far lower than in the US. Duh

Likely BECAUSE of your much higher vax rate.

User · Tuesday at 04:42 PM

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I never said that only vaxed were dying, but it bears repeating that huge numbers of vaxed were dying because our MSM completely ignored that aspect of this whole scenario.

It's dishonesty by omission.

People were dying because a deadly disease was killing them. Far less died because they had a vaccine that helped protect them.

9 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

If people want to say that it provides "maybe a little bit of protection but there are some bad side-effects associated with it as well", I'm fine with that.

I don't care what you are fine with, I care about the facts.

10 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Bottom line though: Canadians got behind our gov't forcing people who had no need of it to take it, and now we know for absolute certain that it was nowhere near effective or safe enough to warrant all that fascist behaviour.

Incorrect. That is not what the data supports at all regarding the effectiveness of the vaccine.

WestCanMan · Tuesday at 04:43 PM

46 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Apparently you are ILLITERATE. According to YOUR CITE:

It was "over" in Canada as well in 2022, dummy.

Our MSM almost never talked about covid in 2022. Not only that, people like eyeball here thought that zero Canadians had ever died of covid when there were already several thousand of them.

Our MSM was quick to talk about our first few covid deaths, and talked about covid for 90% of our news cycle in 2020 when 15,000 people died, but they never mentioned our first vaxed deaths or spent even 10% of 2022 talking about covid when over 19,000 Canadians died.

If covid was over in the US and Canada in 2022, that's "over" in my books.

Do you say that there is a TB pandemic? Or do you say that the TB pandemic is over, stupid?

Care to guess how many people die of TB every year?

robosmith · Tuesday at 04:49 PM

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It was "over" in Canada as well in 2022, dummy.

Our MSM almost never talked about covid in 2022. Not only that, people like eyeball here thought that zero Canadians had ever died of covid when there were already several thousand of them.

Our MSM was quick to talk about our first few covid deaths, and talked about covid for 90% of our news cycle in 2020 when 15,000 people died, but they never mentioned our first vaxed deaths or spent even 10% of 2022 talking about covid when over 19,000 Canadians died.

If covid was over in the US and Canada in 2022, that's "over" in my books.

Do you say that there is a TB pandemic? Or do you say that the TB pandemic is over, stupid?

Care to guess how many people die of TB every year?

I "guess" that TB is a chronic illness, NOT NOVEL with NO LATENT IMMUNITY like COVID WAS.

User · Tuesday at 04:51 PM

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It was "over" in Canada as well in 2022, dummy.

Holy crap man, you just got done saying vaxxed Canadians were still dropping like flies when this point was already made.

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Our MSM almost never talked about covid in 2022.

Didn't you push this nonsense before? I already provided you numerous links showing otherwise.

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Our MSM was quick to talk about our first few covid deaths, and talked about covid for 90% of our news cycle in 2020 when 15,000 people died, but they never mentioned our first vaxed deaths or spent even 10% of 2022 talking about covid when over 19,000 Canadians died.

You are pulling these percentages out of thin air.

WestCanMan · Tuesday at 05:10 PM

2 minutes ago, User said:

It's dishonesty by omission.

People were dying because a deadly disease was killing them. Far less died because they had a vaccine that helped protect them.

That's completely untrue.

The total number of covid deaths in 2020, when covid was a novel virus, was lower than the number of multi-vaxed people that died of covid in 2022.

15,000 Canadians died of covid in 2020, when covid was a novel virusvs and zero people were vaxed.

The MSM in 2020: "OMG, 15,000 people died of covid this year! We need a vaccine! "

The MSM in 2022, when 16,000 fully "vaccinated" Canadians died of covid, (19,000 Canadians total): "There's nothin' to see here, folks! How about them Blue Jays?"

You want to accuse me of being dishonest by omission, what about our MSM ignoring our worst year of all for covid deaths, or failing to notice that 16,000 fully vaccinated covid1ots died of covid?

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I don't care what you are fine with, I care about the facts.

And the facts are that we had, by far, our worst year for covid deaths in 2022, and Multi-'Vaxed' Cdns in 2022 were the worst cohort in any year for "total covid deaths".

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Incorrect. That is not what the data supports at all regarding the effectiveness of the vaccine.

Pfizer and Moderna's own studies don't interest me. What interests me is the number of hospitalizations and deaths here, which spiked after we vaxed 85% of our population.

We had several times as many hospitalizations in 2022 as 2020, and deaths were up by 1/4.

We FORCED people who didn't need a jab to take the jab, it harmed a lot of them, we still don't even talk about that, and the vax did nothing.

FYI all 16,000 people who died of covid in 2022 survived 2020 unvaccinated, plus the first 1/4 of 2021, which was flu season. Then they died in 2022 with "full protection".

WestCanMan · Tuesday at 05:37 PM

46 minutes ago, User said:

Holy crap man, you just got done saying vaxxed Canadians were still dropping like flies when this point was already made.

I didn't declare the pandemic ever started, User: the MSM, Dr Tam, Fauci and Trudeau did that. I'm just saying when they declared it over, and/or treated it as such.

In 2022 they all stopped talking about covid deaths, almost completely, then they started saying it was over. I'm just repeating what they said and reminding you how they acted.

Did you get the feeling that there was still a pandemic in 2022, when they weren't even taking about covid anymore?

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Didn't you push this nonsense before? I already provided you numerous links showing otherwise.

Don't act like I wasn't 100% correct, User.

In 2020 and 2021 covid was 90% of the news cycle. On a 1-hr show (44 minutes of programming), 40/44 minutes was about covid, treatments, preventative measures, interviews, etc. In 2022 it was less than 10% of the news cycle. Entire newscasts passed without a single mention of covid. If they did talk about it, it was to brag about vax coverage, or to 100% lie about efficacy.

Of course there are some links, dummy. Of course they mentioned covid several times over the course of the entire 2022 calendar year. 2022 was 365 days long, and you have multiple sources to cite for that entire time period. But the coverage of covid was down to 1/10th of what it initially was. Instead of covid dominating 40 minutes in a 44-minute cycle there were 0-4 minutes of covid coverage.

And again, left4rds here called me crazy when I said that covid deaths were "as high, or higher than 2020 or 2021". Eyeball, a diehard CBC/Radio Canada cultist, who devours their propaganda for hours every day, was 100% certain that deaths were down to a mere fraction of what they were. Our gov't and the media gave all left4rds that impression. And it

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You are pulling these percentages out of thin air.

I got them from Health Canada's "Covid deaths by vax-status" charts, but I agree that's basically the same as "out of thin air".

Edited Tuesday at 05:38 PM by WestCanMan

User · Tuesday at 05:39 PM

15 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That's completely untrue.

The total number of covid deaths in 2020, when covid was a novel virus, was lower than the number of multi-vaxed people that died of covid in 2022.

15,000 Canadians died of covid in 2020, when covid was a novel virusvs and zero people were vaxed.

First, COVID came in waves, not everyone was instantly exposed and infected on day 1 in 2020. Second, the vaccine was also administered over time and with boosters. Third, you continue to ignore the unvaccinated who continued to die in far greater proportions by population size.

It would have been far worse without the vaccine, as was evidenced by the amount of unvaccinated that continued to die.

26 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

And the facts are that we had, by far, our worst year for covid deaths in 2022, and Multi-'Vaxed' Cdns in 2022 were the worst cohort in any year for "total covid deaths".

This is such a dishonest argument.

If you have a population of 10 million people and 8 million are vaccinated and then half the deaths are still with unvaccinated people... then that means you had a vastly greater instance of dying if you were unvaccinated.

This has been explained to you many times now, by me and others in just the short time I have been here.

28 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Pfizer and Moderna's own studies don't interest me. What interests me is the number of hospitalizations and deaths here, which spiked after we vaxed 85% of our population.

And it spiked even more for the unvaccinated.

User · Tuesday at 05:45 PM

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Did you get the feeling that there was still a pandemic in 2022, when they weren't even taking about covid anymore?

I get the feeling you have no interest in being honest. 2022 is a whole year, it was not until something like August Biden was saying it was over. Not that there were no more deaths and not that there had not been any all that year prior.

And again... they were still talking about COVID deaths and COVID.

Since we are talking about Canada... when did they declare this over? When did the WHO declare it over?

You are focused on what Biden said.

WestCanMan · Tuesday at 06:06 PM

Just now, User said:

First, COVID came in waves, not everyone was instantly exposed and infected on day 1 in 2020. Second, the vaccine was also administered over time and with boosters. Third, you continue to ignore the unvaccinated who continued to die in far greater proportions by population size.

100% false.

You have no proof of that, whatsoever.

FYI vast swaths of our population were at zero risk of dying of covid, and we don't have any vax-stats for the at-risk cohort of our population (people with serious health conditions, including but not limited to COPD, obesity, diabetes, kidney failure, etc). They gave us the stats for elderly, but that's not the "at-risk" cohort. Even young people were at risk if they were unhealthy enough.

Bottom line: 85% of Canadians were vaxed, 86% of our covid deaths were among the vaxed, and we have no clue how many Canadians who were already dying anyways just opted to not bother vaxing.

And those people form the vast majority of covid deaths.

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It would have been far worse without the vaccine, as was evidenced by the amount of unvaccinated that continued to die.

We only have actual proof of the exact opposite: in both 2020 and 2021 almost no one was dying of covid during the summer. Weekly deaths were down to the double-digits. In summer of 2022, with 85% of the population "vaxed", covid deaths never dropped below 200 per week, and the vast majority of those deaths were multi-jabbed. At that point, Health Canada stopped reporting the ratio of vaxed-vs-unvaxxed deaths. The 3x and 4x-vaxed were getting massacred.

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This is such a dishonest argument.

You should start all of your posts with that as an intro.

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This is such a dishonest argument.

If you have a population of 10 million people and 8 million are vaccinated and then half the deaths are still with unvaccinated people... then that means you had a vastly greater instance of dying if you were unvaccinated.

This has been explained to you many times now, by me and others in just the short time I have been here.

Nice try, donkey.

We had 85% vaxxed, and 86% of our covid deaths were among the vaxed in 2022. That's not the same as "50% of the covid deaths coming from 20% of the population" you twit.

And there's no mention of how many Canadians were so far gone they didn't bother vaxing. Could people on palliative care even get the jab? I doubt it. They were tested for covid though... Daily.

My wife's mom's husband (not stepdad, she was in her 30's when that guy married her mom) was dying of dementia and was on palliative care back when the nose-swabs to the back of the throat were all the rage. He had less than a week to lve, and yet they were inflicting that swab on him every single day. To this day we don't even know if they reported his death as being "from covid".

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This has been explained to you many times now, by me and others in just the short time I have been here.

FYI you never "explained" anything. You just said really stupid things that you were conned into believing.

Even Statista was lying about covid deaths. They had the stats right there on their page, plain as day, and they completely lied about what was shown on their graphs.

(their stats showed that 2x, 3x and 4xers were accounting for 86% of covid deaths, but then said that "only 19% of covid deaths were among the fully protected". They achieved their misleading accounting by referring to 2xers as "fully protected" and then pretending that the 3xers and 4xers didn't also fit into that category. It was as dishonest as anything that Fauci ever said).

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And it spiked even more for the unvaccinated.

Not at all. Not even 1% more.

WestCanMan · Tuesday at 06:14 PM

20 minutes ago, User said:

I get the feeling you have no interest in being honest.

OMG, dipshit. That's you, 100%.

FACT: 90% of news coverage in 2020 was about covid, and there were 15,000 covid deaths.

FACT: Less than 10% of news coverage in 2022 was about covid, and there were 19,000 covid deaths, with 16,000 of those being among the multi-jabbed.

Why don't you explain to me how 15,000 deaths, back when covid was a novel virus, was "CATASTROPHIC", and then a higher number of fully vaxed deaths in 2022 was barely worth mentioning?

Shouldn't they have been saying "OMG, even the jab isn't slowing the death rate"?

Why don't you explain to me how X-number of hospitalizations in 2020 was "OVERWHELMING OUR HOSPITALS!!!!", and then 3-to-4X the number of hospitalization in 2022 was somehow manageable?

WestCanMan · Tuesday at 06:22 PM

If:

the jabs lowered the number of hospitalizations, and/or
slowed the spread, and/or
lowered the number of deaths,
and was safe...

then I'd say "people should have been taking the jabs, even if they didn't need them", but I'd still stop short of saying that they should be forced.

None of those 4 things were true.

The vaxes would have to be nearly perfect to justify forcing people to jab, and the very earliest real-world results showed that the jabs didn't prevent infection, hospitalization, death, or slowing the spread.

I'd never ask my kid to take a dangerous jab just to save my bacon. If I figured that the jab worked, and I figured I needed it, then I'd take it, and consider myself protected. Otherwise, no dice.

If you'd die to protect your kid, then why would you ask them to die to protect you? That defies logic.

robosmith · Tuesday at 06:29 PM

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Shouldn't they have been saying "OMG, even the jab isn't slowing the death rate"?Why don't you explain to me how X-number of hospitalizations in 2020 was "OVERWHELMING OUR HOSPITALS!!!!", and then 3-to-4X the number of hospitalization in 2022 was somehow manageable?

Extreme shortage of PPE in 2020 meant non-reusable PPE was being reused in 2020. AKA less effective.

By 2022 we had abundant KN95 protective masks which kept most hospital workers safer from infection.

Hospitalizations was not what I QUOTED, and not nearly as important as the death rates which were MUCH LOWER per capita in Canada than US, BECAUSE you had a much higher vax rate, probably due to REQUIREMENTS.

User · Tuesday at 07:55 PM

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

FACT: 90% of news coverage in 2020 was about covid, and there were 15,000 covid deaths.

This is not a fact, it is a baseless assertion you made up.

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

FACT: Less than 10% of news coverage in 2022 was about covid, and there were 19,000 covid deaths, with 16,000 of those being among the multi-jabbed.

Again, not a fact, just another baseless assertion you made up and your Covid death numbers are wildly inaccurate.

Hodad · Tuesday at 08:41 PM

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

If:

the jabs lowered the number of hospitalizations, and/or

slowed the spread, and/or

lowered the number of deaths,

and was safe...

then I'd say "people should have been taking the jabs, even if they didn't need them", but I'd still stop short of saying that they should be forced.

None of those 4 things were true.

The vaxes would have to be nearly perfect to justify forcing people to jab, and the very earliest real-world results showed that the jabs didn't prevent infection, hospitalization, death, or slowing the spread.

I'd never ask my kid to take a dangerous jab just to save my bacon. If I figured that the jab worked, and I figured I needed it, then I'd take it, and consider myself protected. Otherwise, no dice.

If you'd die to protect your kid, then why would you ask them to die to protect you? That defies logic.

🙄All four of those statements are true, you lunatic. Three of them with with mountains of data to confirm. Item #2 is definitely not a dramatic difference though, but since the vaccinated were sick for shorter durations and with milder symptoms both of those factors reduce opportunity for transmission it is also true.