Dougie93 Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said: I’m not worried about whether Canada has the ability to maintain itself as a sovereign state. indeed, do not worry about that which is beyond your control, we walk with the Nazarene, souls are forged by crucible therein ; no fears on earth Quote
Zeitgeist Posted March 17 Author Report Posted March 17 6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: they're all the same, it's all the same unserious Laurentian Elite political class, bear in mind that the Conservatives are hardly a monolith, Doug Ford has no relationship with Pierre Poilievre, Captain Canada Doug Ford is rooting for the Liberals That’s largely because the provincial Conservatives have tended to do better under federal Liberal governments. I also think Ford has the rare ability to come across as centrist and unifying. Trump’s threats have favoured incumbents, which is bad ideologically for a Republican government trying to deal with Canada. Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 Just now, Zeitgeist said: which is bad ideologically for a Republican government trying to deal with Canada. the MAGA Republicans have no relationship with the Conservative Party of Canada, the only people in all of Canada whom the MAGA Republicans felt common cause with, was the Trucker Convoy, MAGA Republicans were truly inspired by that, practically brought to tears, they immediately went out to follow the Canadian Truckers by forming a Convoy of their own, thus I would suggest, that this attack upon Canada now, is actually vengeance for the Truckers, the Liberals picked a fight with MAGA over the Trucker Convoy Canada crushed the Truckers, now MAGA is going to crush Canada, simple as that, Donald Trump is simply pandering to the base therein, Quote
Iceni warrior Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: the MAGA Republicans have no relationship with the Conservative Party of Canada, the only people in all of Canada whom the MAGA Republicans felt common cause with, was the Trucker Convoy, MAGA Republicans were truly inspired by that, practically brought to tears, they immediately went out to follow the Canadian Truckers by forming a Convoy of their own, thus I would suggest, that this attack upon Canada now, is actually vengeance for the Truckers, the Liberals picked a fight with MAGA over the Trucker Convoy Canada crushed the Truckers, now MAGA is going to crush Canada, simple as that, Donald Trump is simply pandering to the base therein, Tenuous link. If you believe Trump it's because Canada has somehow ripped off the US for $200 billion. He just hates any country the US has a trade deficit with. Edited March 17 by Iceni warrior Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 3 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said: Tenuous link. you know it's true, you were there, Trump is just pandering to the MHF, that's his base Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 6 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said: He just hates any country the US has a trade deficit with. yet he is singling out Canada for special treatment, again, because MAGA hates Canada with a passion, more than anyone else Quote
Iceni warrior Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 25 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: yet he is singling out Canada for special treatment, again, because MAGA hates Canada with a passion, more than anyone else Really? More than Mexicans, Hondurans, Venezuelans, Syrians, Afghans? At least Canadians are mostly white European heritage. Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 Just now, Iceni warrior said: At least Canadians are mostly white European heritage. but they're overwhelmingly allies of the hated Woke Progressive Democrats there's nobody MAGA hates more than Woke white chicks and their beta male cuck simps Quote
Zeitgeist Posted March 17 Author Report Posted March 17 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: the MAGA Republicans have no relationship with the Conservative Party of Canada, the only people in all of Canada whom the MAGA Republicans felt common cause with, was the Trucker Convoy, MAGA Republicans were truly inspired by that, practically brought to tears, they immediately went out to follow the Canadian Truckers by forming a Convoy of their own, thus I would suggest, that this attack upon Canada now, is actually vengeance for the Truckers, the Liberals picked a fight with MAGA over the Trucker Convoy Canada crushed the Truckers, now MAGA is going to crush Canada, simple as that, Donald Trump is simply pandering to the base therein, I hear your argument and I’ve never felt more Republican than during the Freedom Convoy. I really started resenting the Canadian government, but then I reminded myself that this was a very overbearing Liberal government that would’ve collapsed if an election was held from that time until Trump’s tariffs and 51st state rhetoric, which it turns out is an even greater threat to the Canadian truckers who rely on cross-border trade for their livelihoods. It makes much of Trump’s freedom talk during the Canadian Covid mandates look more like political posturing than real empathy for ordinary Canadian workers. Trump’s willingness to risk businesses and jobs to achieve his peculiar old-timey economic vision is recklessly selfish. It risks destroying markets for US goods and making life costlier and more complicated for Americans. It’s also troubling that Trump would be willing to hurt so many people, American or not, out of partisanship and animus towards leaders like Trudeau, who was a lousy PM overall but a leader of a significant allied country, indeed the biggest market for the goods from 37 US states. Carney hit the right notes going to France and Britain first and demanding respect for Canadian sovereignty before agreeing to sit down with Trump. No one wants to be Zelenskied. Edited March 17 by Zeitgeist Quote
Zeitgeist Posted March 17 Author Report Posted March 17 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said: Tenuous link. If you believe Trump it's because Canada has somehow ripped off the US for $200 billion. He just hates any country the US has a trade deficit with. All the research puts the deficit at about $60 billion US, and that’s including the discounted oil we sell to the U.S. and buy back from Texas at a higher price as gasoline. Edited March 17 by Zeitgeist Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: I hear your argument and I’ve never felt more Republican than during the Freedom Convoy. I really started resenting the Canadian government, so in America at the same time, MAGA was massively moved to sympathize with that paradigm, egged on by Fox News of course, but now you are dealing with a MAGA government whose entire view of Canada is based on that Quote
Zeitgeist Posted March 17 Author Report Posted March 17 Just now, Dougie93 said: so in America at the same time, MAGA was massively moved to sympathize with that paradigm, egged on by Fox News of course, but now you are dealing with a MAGA government whose entire view of Canada is based on that Yeah well Trudeau won about a third of the votes in the last election that gave him his minority government before the Freedom Convoy. The Liberals received fewer votes than the Conservatives but got more seats. Trudeau is a divisive figure mainly because he likes to virtue signal and take ultra progressive positions that most Canadians find ridiculous and that he himself contradicts in his actual conduct. He certainly made an international stir early on because of his name and youthful looks, but he stayed far too long and expanded government overreach and spending to unprecedented levels. Trudeau is gone and now we have a smarter, stronger Liberal PM who is nevertheless a staunch globalist. Well Canada has always been more multilateral than the U.S. and more outward looking, at least partly by necessity. Though I want Poilievre and the Conservatives to win the federal election, Carney is probably a good check on Trump right now. He’s well connected and well-respected and known internationally. Trump is watching the impact of good soft power and diplomacy play out in Carney, which is a weakness for Trump. Ultimately Canada and the U.S. will return to the bargaining table, but this chapter has been a huge wake-up call for Canada to do what it should’ve been doing for the last decade. In that regard, Trump’s disruption is a ladder for Canada. Quote
Iceni warrior Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 20 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: All the research puts the deficit at about $60 billion US, and that’s including the discounted oil we sell to the U.S. and buy back from Texas at a higher price as gasoline. Quite. Trump always exaggerates/lies about numbers. He claims the US has sent $350 billion to Ukraine when the actual figure is around $120 billion. 1 Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 Just now, Zeitgeist said: In that regard, Trump’s disruption is a ladder for Canada. ah, see, you are coming around to my doctrine ; chaos is a ladder souls are forged by crucible therein, Quote
Iceni warrior Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 (edited) Chaos is also chaos. Trump's trade wars may well be leading the world into a recession. Edited March 17 by Iceni warrior Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 3 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said: leading the world into a recession. I came of age in the worst recession since the Great Depression, inflation was 11% unemployment was 13% the interest rate was 22% no matter, it was the best of times, Canada's zenith in fact I would gladly return to those salad days in Glenn Gould's Toronto the Good, Quote
Zeitgeist Posted March 17 Author Report Posted March 17 2 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said: Chaos is also chaos. Trump's trade wars may well be leading the world into a recession. Trump is just too into himself and his own ideas to listen to reason, which isn’t to say that he doesn’t have strengths and persistence. It gets exhausting just watching him. He’s just too full of anger it seems, and there’s no one to moderate him. That’s the biggest difference between him and Reagan. Reagan was affable. Quote
Iceni warrior Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: I came of age in the worst recession since the Great Depression, inflation was 11% unemployment was 13% the interest rate was 22% no matter, it was the best of times, Canada's zenith in fact I would gladly return to those salad days in Glenn Gould's Toronto the Good, Hey, as an off grid eco-Nazi I crave a recession. Growth is unsustainable. Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 Just now, Iceni warrior said: Hey, as an off grid eco-Nazi I crave a recession. Growth is unsustainable. Generation X Punk Rock FTW 1 Quote
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