User Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 2 minutes ago, Radiorum said: What Trump did was stage a massive spectacle for the viewing pleasure of his base. It's too bad that adherence to the law was lost as collateral damage. Yeah, you keep making this assertion, it still isn't accurate. Trump invoked the Alien Enemies Act. He followed the law. 1 Quote
Deluge Posted March 19 Author Report Posted March 19 2 minutes ago, Radiorum said: I am supporting the rule of law. A true patriot would respect the rule of law. You're supporting illegal immigration, and so is that judge. You're both wrong. Quote
Radiorum Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 21 minutes ago, User said: Trump invoked the Alien Enemies Act. That is a wartime act that can only be used in times of war with other nations or governments It has only ever been used in the War of 1812, WW1 and WW2 From the act: That whenever there shall be a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion shall be perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States, by any foreign nation or government, and the President of the United States shall make public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, 27 minutes ago, Deluge said: You're supporting illegal immigration, and so is that judge. Your understanding is faulty 1 Quote
Deluge Posted March 19 Author Report Posted March 19 1 minute ago, Radiorum said: Your understanding is faulty Your understanding isn't understanding at all. Point out where it says federal judges can order the President to bring illegal aliens into this country. Quote
User Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 14 minutes ago, Radiorum said: That is a wartime act that can only be used in times of war with other nations or governments It has only ever been used in the War of 1812, WW1 and WW2 That is certainly your interpretation, but not that of others or historical precedent regarding the notion of what constitutes a "predatory incursion" To my point, this is a difference to be settled in the courts, not a clear case that Trump violated any laws. Like any other President, they interpret laws the way they see them and sometimes that is right, sometimes wrong. Quote
Radiorum Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 16 minutes ago, Deluge said: Point out where it says federal judges can order the President to bring illegal aliens into this country. Yeah, you still don't get it. You're missing the forest for the trees. Trump has created an enemy for you. He has made you believe that illegal immigrants are a threat to the nation. But they aren't. The real threat to the nation is Trump, as he attacks the rule of law, and your systems and institutions, in order to gain more power for himself. And as he dismantles your democracy, he keeps you occupied, screaming, "But the immigrants!" 4 minutes ago, User said: That is certainly your interpretation No, it was the words from the Act. 4 minutes ago, User said: "predatory incursion" of another nation or government 1 1 Quote
Hodad Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 2 minutes ago, Radiorum said: Yeah, you still don't get it. You're missing the forest for the trees. Trump has created an enemy for you. He has made you believe that illegal immigrants are a threat to the nation. But they aren't. The real threat to the nation is Trump, as he attacks the rule of law, and your systems and institutions, in order to gain more power for himself. And as he dismantles your democracy, he keeps you occupied, screaming, "But the immigrants!" And in case anyone needs reminding, we've seen this exact playbook before. 1 Quote
User Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 2 minutes ago, Radiorum said: of another nation or government Yes, which is why Trump outlined Venezuela... You should try reading these things: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/invocation-of-the-alien-enemies-act-regarding-the-invasion-of-the-united-states-by-tren-de-aragua/ Just now, Hodad said: And in case anyone needs reminding, we've seen this exact playbook before. How about you explain what exact playbook you have seen before... not that you will as you cowardly hide from me. Quote
Deluge Posted March 19 Author Report Posted March 19 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Radiorum said: Yeah, you still don't get it. You're missing the forest for the trees. Trump has created an enemy for you. He has made you believe that illegal immigrants are a threat to the nation. But they aren't. The real threat to the nation is Trump, as he attacks the rule of law, and your systems and institutions, in order to gain more power for himself. And as he dismantles your democracy, he keeps you occupied, screaming, "But the immigrants!" No, it was the words from the Act. of another nation or government So you're saying that the Rule of Law requires citizens and non-citizens to ignore the law. I mentioned citizens because blue cities like New York allow petty crimes. In other words, people, in general, are allowed to interpret the law however the f*ck they want. Is that correct? Edited March 19 by Deluge 1 Quote
Radiorum Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 5 minutes ago, User said: You should try reading these things: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/invocation-of-the-alien-enemies-act-regarding-the-invasion-of-the-united-states-by-tren-de-aragua/ This reminds me of "If you don't believe me, just ask me." Quote
Nationalist Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 7 minutes ago, Radiorum said: Yeah, you still don't get it. You're missing the forest for the trees. Trump has created an enemy for you. He has made you believe that illegal immigrants are a threat to the nation. But they aren't. The real threat to the nation is Trump, as he attacks the rule of law, and your systems and institutions, in order to gain more power for himself. Whoa there li'l bunny. Illegal immigrants ARE INDEED a threat to the nation. The take resources away that are meant for citizens. You and your TDS hatred is irrelevant and your accusations are baseless and frankly...stupid. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Radiorum Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 7 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Illegal immigrants ARE INDEED a threat to the nation. The take resources away that are meant for citizens. They in large part power the US economy. These figures are from a few years ago, but are still relevant: The vast majority of illegal immigrants are working and pay into a system they cannot collect from. 1. Agriculture Undocumented workers make up 25% of all farm workers in the US. The majority of these workers are overworked and put in at least 10 hours of work per day in arduous conditions to feed American families. 2. Building, grounds-keeping, and maintenance Undocumented workers make up 19% of maintenance workers. These laborers tend to work on low wages for 12-hr shifts, often 7 days a week. 3. Construction 17% of US construction workers are undocumented Food preparation & serving 12% of workers in this occupation are undocumented 5. Taxes Undocumented immigrants pay billions of dollars in taxes annually. Households headed by unauthorized immigrants paid $10.6 billion in state and local taxes in 2010. This includes $1.2 billion in personal income taxes, $1.2 billion in property taxes, and more than $8 billion in sales and excise taxes. Immigrants—even legal immigrants—are barred from most social services, meaning that they pay to support benefits they cannot even receive. https://www.ilr.cornell.edu/mobilizing-against-inequality/post/five-ways-undocumented-immigrants-are-powering-american-economy 1 Quote
Legato Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 21 minutes ago, Radiorum said: Yeah, you still don't get it. You're missing the forest for the trees. Trump has created an enemy for you. He has made you believe that illegal immigrants are a threat to the nation. But they aren't. The real threat to the nation is Trump, as he attacks the rule of law, and your systems and institutions, in order to gain more power for himself. And as he dismantles your democracy, he keeps you occupied, screaming, "But the immigrants!" No, it was the words from the Act. of another nation or government It's bullshit rhetoric like this that has the Democrat party's popularity sinking like Jimmy Hoffa's concrete underpants. Quote The Democratic Party is facing record-low favorability ratings, according to new polls from NBC News and CNN. An NBC News poll found that only 27% of respondents have a positive view of the Democratic Party — the lowest figure recorded in the network’s polling history dating back to 1990. A separate CNN poll showed similar results, with just 29% of respondents holding a favorable view of the party, marking the lowest in CNN’s records as well. https://www.google.com/search?q=hoffa&oq=hoffa&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIWCAEQLhjUAhiLAxiaAxioAxiABBj4BTIKCAIQABiLAxiABDITCAMQLhjUAhiLAxiaAxioAxiABDITCAQQLhjUAhiLAxikAxioAxiABDIKCAUQABiLAxiABDIKCAYQABiLAxiABDIKCAcQABiLAxiABDIKCAgQABiLAxiABDIKCAkQABiLAxiABNIBCTQwNDFqMWoxNagCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Quote
User Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 Just now, Radiorum said: This reminds me of "If you don't believe me, just ask me." OK. Back to the point, Trump clearly made what appears to be a valid legal proclamation to invoke the Alien Enemies Act. The notion that he is simply violating the law is not so cut and dry here as you make it seem. Quote
CdnFox Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 4 hours ago, Hodad said: If Americans read this summary of events in any other country we would all recognize it for what it is. ...pardoning 1,500 criminals who supported him; firing independent agency watchdogs without process; purging apolitical police and military brass; ignoring laws; and his unilaterally deleting federal programs, and even a whole organization, created by U.S. Congress. He's just called his predecessor's pardons void and vacated. He gave a bitterly partisan speech at the Department of Justice, demanding the prosecution of the media and certain adversaries. He threatened numerous universities with sanctions. He invoked a 227-year-old war measures law during peacetime — for the first time ever — to deport accused gang members without due process. And, most importantly, when that deportation plan wound up in court, he may have — although it's still in dispute — defied a court order, cracking the ultimate constitutional safeguard. Today's Republicans, however, will pretend that it's not happening. They are eagerly trading democracy to advance their agenda. They simply don't believe in America as an idea. The dams did all of that stuff. And you didn't care. Now your big mad that the republicans don't particularly care when their guy does it. So as ye reap so shall ye sow. It's too bad you didn't give a crap when you thought it was a great idea, because now you get to live with it from the other side and don't expect a lot of sympathy. When you don't tolerate this kind of crap from your own politicians you can then demand that others not tolerate it from theirs 1 Quote
Deluge Posted March 19 Author Report Posted March 19 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Radiorum said: They in large part power the US economy. These figures are from a few years ago, but are still relevant: The vast majority of illegal immigrants are working and pay into a system they cannot collect from. 1. Agriculture Undocumented workers make up 25% of all farm workers in the US. The majority of these workers are overworked and put in at least 10 hours of work per day in arduous conditions to feed American families. 2. Building, grounds-keeping, and maintenance Undocumented workers make up 19% of maintenance workers. These laborers tend to work on low wages for 12-hr shifts, often 7 days a week. 3. Construction 17% of US construction workers are undocumented Food preparation & serving 12% of workers in this occupation are undocumented 5. Taxes Undocumented immigrants pay billions of dollars in taxes annually. Households headed by unauthorized immigrants paid $10.6 billion in state and local taxes in 2010. This includes $1.2 billion in personal income taxes, $1.2 billion in property taxes, and more than $8 billion in sales and excise taxes. Immigrants—even legal immigrants—are barred from most social services, meaning that they pay to support benefits they cannot even receive. https://www.ilr.cornell.edu/mobilizing-against-inequality/post/five-ways-undocumented-immigrants-are-powering-american-economy We get that you want slave labor as that desire stems from the old democrat party - it's in your political DNA. The problem is that they are here illegally which means they need to be deported and the employers need to be fined for employing illegal aliens. Now, if they still want to work here, then they can hang out in Mexico until they get their worker visas. See, it's all rather clean & clear when you don't break the law. Edited March 19 by Deluge Quote
Radiorum Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 Just now, Deluge said: We get that you want slave labor as that desire stems from the old democrat party - it's in your political DNA. No, what I want is truth. I was responding to a falsehood from another member. Quote
Deluge Posted March 19 Author Report Posted March 19 Just now, Radiorum said: No, what I want is truth. I was responding to a falsehood from another member. No, what you want is illegal immigration. Don't be a f*cking liar. Just be honest about it. 1 1 Quote
Radiorum Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 22 minutes ago, Legato said: It's bullshit rhetoric it's not rhetoric but what is happening. It's plain to anyone outside of the right-wing bubble of disinformation. 22 minutes ago, Legato said: It's bullshit rhetoric like this that has the Democrat party's popularity sinking like Jimmy Hoffa's concrete underpants. The unpopularity of the Democrats can be put down to different things, but it is worth noting that the Republicans had worse numbers during the first year of Trump's first term. The percentage of voters with an unfavorable view of the Republican Party hovered around 60% in 2017, with a peak of 67% in August, according to Quinnipiac. Quote
User Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 14 minutes ago, Radiorum said: No, what I want is truth. I was responding to a falsehood from another member. You claim you want the truth, but you have no idea what you are talking about here. Every step of the way I have had to point out to you the legalities behind what Trump is doing. 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 35 minutes ago, Radiorum said: They in large part power the US economy. These figures are from a few years ago, but are still relevant: The vast majority of illegal immigrants are working and pay into a system they cannot collect from. 1. Agriculture Undocumented workers make up 25% of all farm workers in the US. The majority of these workers are overworked and put in at least 10 hours of work per day in arduous conditions to feed American families. 2. Building, grounds-keeping, and maintenance Undocumented workers make up 19% of maintenance workers. These laborers tend to work on low wages for 12-hr shifts, often 7 days a week. 3. Construction 17% of US construction workers are undocumented Food preparation & serving 12% of workers in this occupation are undocumented 5. Taxes Undocumented immigrants pay billions of dollars in taxes annually. Households headed by unauthorized immigrants paid $10.6 billion in state and local taxes in 2010. This includes $1.2 billion in personal income taxes, $1.2 billion in property taxes, and more than $8 billion in sales and excise taxes. Immigrants—even legal immigrants—are barred from most social services, meaning that they pay to support benefits they cannot even receive. https://www.ilr.cornell.edu/mobilizing-against-inequality/post/five-ways-undocumented-immigrants-are-powering-american-economy I don't give a rat's a55 for your lame-a55 excuses. The bottom line is... THEY ARE ILLEGAL. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Radiorum Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: THEY ARE ILLEGAL. Trump's illegalities pose a greater threat to the US Quote
CdnFox Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 Just now, Radiorum said: Trump's illegalities pose a greater threat to the US Too late to worry about that now. Once you support a government stepping over the line, the line has been stepped over. Now it's just a question of how far other governments want to go. That's why there is a line in the first place Democrats should have been utterly outraged at the democrats parties use of lawfare and of things like the fake steel dossier and the FBI being used for partisan purposes by the democrats most of which is absolutely proven and the rest of which is bloody obvious. Because that didn't happen now republicans don't care because they look at it as payback for what you did. The line was crossed therefore that line doesn't exist anymore. The law only exists as a concept in men's minds. There is no such thing as a physical law, if people don't believe in it it's not there. The democrats cause people to stop believing in the law. And here's where we are I have no idea how America gets back to a point where there is a proper rule of law anymore but now that door is wide openthere really is no justice system the way you used to know it. A lesson for Canadian liberals as well. Our liberals walk down that road a fair ways and can't be upset if the day comes when someone uses it against them Quote
User Posted March 19 Report Posted March 19 1 minute ago, Radiorum said: Trump's illegalities pose a greater threat to the US So... what was your excuse when Biden was President? The funny thing is that illegal immigration is one of the issues Biden so spectacularly failed on that led to Trump winning. Perhaps you should have cared more and Trump wouldn't be President. 1 Quote
Deluge Posted March 19 Author Report Posted March 19 8 minutes ago, Radiorum said: Trump's illegalities pose a greater threat to the US Wrong. There isn't "Trump's" anything if illegals are kept out of this country in the first place. Stamp out illegal immigration and everything else goes away. 1 Quote
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