Zeitgeist Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 (edited) 25 minutes ago, xul said: Indeed. I guess his, or probably some of his advisors' calculation is: Phase 1: The price of cars will rise on both side due to the tariff and reciprocal tariff since car makers can not move productions from Canada to US or US to Canada within a few months. But consumers will have to accept the new price since they have no other options. Phase 2: Automakers begin to move their productions over border to avoid tariffs. But since US market is far bigger than Canadian, automakers will intend to move their production from Canada to US instead of from US to Canada. Since the phase 2 will happen gradually, Trump may think that Canadian may eventually not react the job loss as strong as what you described. Besides, he can divide Canadian by offering a deal only in favor of certain industrial sector. For example, put 25% tariff on cars but 0% on oil, and expect the unified Canadian resistance collapsing. I agree. Actually it will be an opportunity for Canada if Canadian are brave enough to take the challenge. I don’t think Canadians won’t notice a gradual loss of its auto sector, which is a significant part of our economy, especially in Ontario, and has been for a very long time. If we lost our existing auto plants to the U.S., the U.S. would lose the Canadian market for American-only made cars full stop. That’s why what Trump is doing is so stupid. The trade in autos is currently balanced between the two countries. Messing with that good, long established supply chain could do lasting damage in both countries. I don’t think the answer for Canada at this point is to simply look for another dominant trade partner. I think the answer is to have more domestic production for our own market and non-US markets. It will take time, but we already have the infrastructure and parts suppliers. The retooling for all the current USMCA partners would be unnecessarily expensive to both producers and consumers. It’s stupid. Edited March 6 by Zeitgeist Quote
xul Posted March 6 Author Report Posted March 6 6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: I don’t think the answer for Canada at this point is to simply look for another dominant trade partner. I agree. To these relatively smaller economy (I mean comparing to those economies which have large domestic markets like US, EU, China), the multilateral trading system is always in their best interest. Depending on another single trade partner to replace US is like choosing another elephant to sleep with to replace the old one. It doesn't make sense at all. Quote
Nationalist Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 (edited) On 3/3/2025 at 1:52 PM, eyeball said: You mentioned trying to bring down an elephant earlier....one big elephant in the case of the jobs coming back, will be standards. Like many that currently protect the environment from the effects of producing steel, aluminum and timber. Unleashing them will not be without an environmental cost. There will also be a social and political cost from having to usurp state environmental protection standards and push aside concerns of communities on the ground whose lives will be impacted by unleashing. Ohhh...the environment the environment...AHHH... The dumbest thing the libbies have done, is to sh1t on the base of the economy right after a global business shutdown.! Edited March 6 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
eyeball Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 45 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Ohhh...the environment the environment...AHHH... The dumbest thing the lobbies have done, is to sh1t on the base of the economy right after a global business shutdown.! So you recognize the environment is at the base of the economy but what's this about it being a dumb time to shit on it? Or did you mean to say this is a dumb time to give a shit about it? Were you planning on giving a shit at some point in the future, when you're smarter perhaps? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Nationalist Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 22 minutes ago, eyeball said: So you recognize the environment is at the base of the economy but what's this about it being a dumb time to shit on it? Or did you mean to say this is a dumb time to give a shit about it? Were you planning on giving a shit at some point in the future, when you're smarter perhaps? I recognize that oil and gas are the base of the global economy. I recognize what we've done here amounts to nothing with respect to effect on your greenie religion. I recognize there is no climate crisis. And I recognize chickenshit when I see ir hear it. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
eyeball Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 46 minutes ago, Nationalist said: I recognize that oil and gas are the base of the global economy. I recognize what we've done here amounts to nothing with respect to effect on your greenie religion. I recognize there is no climate crisis. And I recognize chickenshit when I see ir hear it. It's just to bad the sort of representatives you pick aren't as honest as you. It must bug you no end to see them virtue signalling their concern and green in-credentials. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Nationalist Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 7 hours ago, eyeball said: It's just to bad the sort of representatives you pick aren't as honest as you. It must bug you no end to see them virtue signalling their concern and green in-credentials. What bugs me, is the gas taxes. The idea that the public should be convinced that WE ALL GONNA DIE, when there's no proof of that. The fear mongering and cost financially are both unwarranted and down right mean. While I agree that we should explore other technologies, I know we can do that and maintain our current and reliable means of powering our societies without all the panic and financial burden. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
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