From "village !diot" to a traitor: Trump moves to interfere with sanctions against Putin's oligarchs

[myata]

Have a detente with Hitler, his modern-day incarnation and a full analog? We need to understand that this never happened before and would go against and opposite to the decision of our predecessors in the days of WWII. We would be opening a new chapter of history and epoch of humanity. Forget dark post apocalypse stories and alternative realities, it would be a very real one.

Edited February 8 by myata

[WestCanMan]

18 hours ago, myata said:

A liar, stupid, shameless and pathetic. The sovereign territory of Ukraine is recognized by the entire world, including Russia, in multiple signed and executed treaties before the invasion.

The conclusion: credibility of this poster down to zero and then negatives. Only a shameless boldface liar. The brand.

No one denies that Ukraine was a sovereign country, myata. Don't get so bent out of shape over a line on a map. 

FYI the drawing of that map left a majority ethnic-Russian enclave on the west side of the Ukraine-Russia border, and normally that wouldn't be much of a problem because Russian and Ukrainians aren't oil and water, but as American influence took over Kiev; organizing riots, unilaterally removing & installing prosecutors, choosing presidential candidates, and becoming more and more hostile towards Russia, the difference between European-leaning Ukrainians and ethnic Russians grew to the point of open hostility.

It's well-established that leftists here will never acknowledge that putting NATO in Ukraine was a dagger at Russia's throat for generations to come. You were told what to believe, and that's the end of that.

Just know that Ukraine made choices as a "sovereign" entity - and those were big-boy choices with big-boy consequences. From Russia's POV, the path to "NATO up our ass" was not an option, so here we are.

Does it make sense to you if I say that "sovereign Ukraine was a horrible neighbour for Russia, to the point of bringing an actual threat to Russia's doorstep"? 

And yes, myata, NATO is a threat to Russia. We were trained to "kill a commie for mommy", and the foes we trained to kill were "Ivan and Igor". Even while NATO doesn't have plans to invade Russia in the short term, NATO is and has always been entirely antagonistic towards Russia, and their presence at Russia's border means that sanctions against Russia can be strictly enforced. It means that Ukraine will have trade opened up with Europe, and moderate trade barriers with Russia will creep up and up for generations to come. 

FACK ukraine. I'm not gonna cry for some id10t who thought it would be a good idea to wrestle with a bear cub, and I'm not gonna demand that the momma bear be killed after she does what bears do. Whatever happens to Ukraine, I'm ok with it. They can all go to hell.

[Michael Hardner]

7 hours ago, myata said:

Have a detente with Hitler, his modern-day incarnation and a full analog? We need to understand that this never happened before  

Well, but we did. Neville Chamberlain. Didn't he say " I have assurances from Mr. Hitler that he will not invade any more countries. "? 

 

Something like that?

[myata]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Something like that?

But the relative timing of the events would be off. Hitler's Czechoslovakia and Austria would correspond, more or less closely with Putin's Crimea (Austria) and Donbass (instrumented internal trouble followed by invasion). Same blueprint by the way. Making an appeasement deal now would have no analogs in history then, it would be like declaring a truce with Hitler after he invaded Poland and France.

[WestCanMan]

@Hodad

What's the matter, dummy? Cat got your tongue? Refresher:

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@Hodad: Your Putin propaganda isn't any more convincing in a giant font. 

What part of that was "Putin propaganda", Hodad? 

1. BIDEN USED THE POWER OF HIS OFFICE
2. TO FORCE THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT TO FIRE THEIR TOP PROSECUTOR 
3. TO HELP THE CORRUPT OLIGARCH
4. WHO GAVE HUNTER BIDEN HIS LUCRATIVE MONEY-FOR-NOTHING JOB 
5. GET HIS STUFF BACK, AND 
6. YOU DIDN'T CARE.

1. Joe Biden ABSOLUTELY used his power as VP in that instance. He even bragged about it on a video that's undisputed and widely circulated. You've seen the video, Hodud. Don't try to pretend that Joe Biden didn't do what he bragged about doing.

2. Joe Biden ABSOLUTELY got Shokin fired, like I said he bragged about it. 

3. Just before Biden unilaterally got Shokin fired, by his own account, Shokin had won court orders seizing some of Zlochevsky's assets, and this is how wikipedia describes him:

• Mykola Vladyslavovych Zlochevsky (Ukrainian: Микола Владиславович Злочевський; born 14 June 1966) is a Ukrainian oil and natural gas businessman, politician, and an oligarch. Zlochevsky was Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources from July 2010 until April 2012 and was the deputy secretary for Economic and Social Security of the National Security and Defense Council from April 2012 until February 2014 when Euromaidan occurred.^[1][2][3][4] He is wanted by Ukrainian authorities for attempting to bribe the prosecutors in order to drop all charges against him.^[5] 

He epitomizes the word oligarch. He's a member of government who uses his governmental authority to help his own businesses at the expense of others, and when I say "others" that includes "his countrymen in general". If he's not an oligarch, then they need to figure out who that word actually applies to. 

So YES, ZLOCHEVSKY WAS A CORRUPT OLIGARCH, 100%, and Biden was helping Zloch by firing Shokin, because the "solid guy" that Biden "put in his place" (Joe's own words) let Zlochevsky off the hook, and he was reunited with his assets. 

• WASHINGTON — Ukrainian prosecutor-general Viktor Shokin, who was fired after then-Vice President Joe Biden threatened to pull $1 billion in US aid, was “a threat” to natural gas company Burisma Holdings, which paid Hunter Biden up to $1 million per year, the first son’s former business partner Devon Archer confirmed in an interview released Friday.

  “He was a threat. He ended up seizing assets of [Burisma owner] Nikolai [Zlochevsky] — a house, some cars, a couple properties. And Nikolai actually never went back to Ukraine after Shokin seized all of his assets,” Archer told former Fox News host Tucker Carlson.

  Shokin’s office won a court order to seize Zlochevsky’s property on Feb. 2, 2016, the Kyiv Post reported at the time. Shokin was fired on March 29, purportedly due to his own corruption.

  Archer’s remarks are significant because they contradict the position of House Democrats that Shokin was not considered a threat to Burisma — a point likely to be hotly contested if Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) launches an impeachment inquiry, as he said last week was becoming likely.

It's a matter of public record that Shokin won those court orders to seize Zloch's assets. 

It's a matter of public record that Joe Biden had him fired the next month. 

So what did the "solid guy" that Joe put in Shokin's place do to bring rogue oligarch Zlochevsky (who gave Joe's son $83k/mo?) to justice?

Just remember that when they say "prosecutors" clear Zlochevsky, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GUY THAT JOE BIDEN PUT IN SHOKIN'S PLACE!

Joe fired Shokin, who won court orders against Zlochevsky, the very next month, and the guy who Joe put in Shokin's place let Zloch off the hook. And Joe's son raked in a cool $1M per year, from Zloch's company, "in a completely unrelated coincidence" 🤣 Of all the places on earth where Hunter could have found a job, and all the people who Burisma could have hired, and all of the things that Je Biden could have been doing with his little VP wand, all of those things just happened coincidentally according to you???????? 

4. 100% accurate again... It was Zlochevsky who gifted Hunter Biden an $83k/mo job in a country where Hunter couldn't even say 5 words in the official language. In exchange, Joe Biden fired the guy who won court orders against him which had seized his assets, and the guy that Joe put in his place absolutely dropped that case against Zlochevsky. 

5. Were the charges dropped, as I said in 5, above? Quote from the earlier link:

• "He was also investigated for giving gas extraction licenses to affiliated companies – mainly ones in the Burisma Group.

  But the charges were then whittled down to a single case of tax evasion, which was settled by a Kyiv court in November, with Burisma agreeing to pay Hr 180 million. The settlement constitutes less than 20 percent of the sum discovered in Zlochevsky’s bank account in 2014."

 

6. No f'ing leftists here ever cared that Joe got Hunter that job, or that Joe Fired Shokin to help Zloch, or that the guy that Joe put in Zloch's place let him off the hook. They all plug their ears and say "LAH LAH-LAH LAH laaaaaah!"

So the fact that leftards are gonna suddenly start saying that "it's treason" for a member of the US gov't to merely end sanctions against a foreign oligarch is hypocrisy of the highest order. 

Sanctions themselves are not proof of any wrongdoing. No one was convicted of anything in order to have sanctions levelled against them, but an actual judge did see/hear evidence in a court of law and then rule against Zlochevsky to have his assets seized. 

[WestCanMan]

Leftards, come out to play. You wanted to have this discussion about "protecting oligarchs" 😂

[myata]

Betraying the principles of standing to tyrants and aggressors would only confirm that America as we used to know it moved to the past. Along with the letter and spirit of the Constitution, the rule of law, checks and balances, the principles, character, nature and soul of the country would part as well. What would remain? Could worship of the big buck and hatred of everything different fill the vacuum? The thinking part of the society must find these answers now. History leaves no more room for procrastination.