Socialism is theft

[Queenmandy85]

2 minutes ago, GroundskeeperWillie said:

I don't know you at all.  I don't know if you are a welfare queen.  Sounds like you have a guilty conscience.

 

Anyway welfare queen is a generic term for anyone who makes an almost profession out of being on public assistance.  In the States, this would be a woman who keeps pumping out kids she can't afford, just so that she could collect more checks.

How many of them are there in Canada? Do you propose they just let those mothers and their children starve?

[GroundskeeperWillie]

3 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

How many of them are there in Canada?

I did not say welfare queen is a Canadian phenomenon. 

 

I am saying that I oppose a lot of welfare programs.  I am also against government coercion to give money to people who abuse welfare programs.

3 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

 

Do you propose they just let those mothers and their children starve?

That is not what I am proposing.  Are you just gonna make up lies about me now?

[Queenmandy85]

Even Offa and Cerdic levied taxes. So did Frontenac, MacDonald and Bordon. Without Taxes we could not have defeated the yankee invaders or built the railway. 

[Queenmandy85]

3 minutes ago, GroundskeeperWillie said:

I am saying that I oppose a lot of welfare programs.  I am also against government coercion to give money to people who abuse welfare programs.

It is not coercion.  Your MP votes to collect the taxes to fund government services Your MP votes to determine how taxes are distributed. If your MP is not on the same page as you, elect some one who is. With an election only months away, this is the time to recruit your choice to run. With the possibility of another war with the Americans, chose wisely.

[GroundskeeperWillie]

11 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

It is not coercion.  Your MP votes to collect the taxes to fund government services Your MP votes to determine how taxes are distributed. If your MP is not on the same page as you, elect some one who is. With an election only months away, this is the time to recruit your choice to run. With the possibility of another war with the Americans, chose wisely.

Can we go to jail for refusing to pay taxes?  Yes.  

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

I'm all for making governments transparent and accountable so we can prevent this sort of shit from happening.

So long as you're going to do your research on what makes me tick, let me know how you feel about people who would rather protect our government from a deep sort of public oversight that would make Orwell himself blush.

Presumably you'd also love to see Trudeau behind bars for what he tried to do on behalf of SNC Lavalin and to Jody Wilson-Raybould.

you literally supported a government who committed a number of crimes according to the RCMP but couldn't be prosecuted and don't believe they should be held accountable by the voters.

You believe nothing of what you profess

[Queenmandy85]

1 hour ago, GroundskeeperWillie said:

Can we go to jail for refusing to pay taxes?  Yes.  

You go to jail for committing a criminal offence. Paying your taxes is a law supported by parliament. Are you being coerced to not rob a bank or commit assault? You have a duty to your country to pay your taxes. I have to ask, why would you not want to pay for the services you and your fellow citizens receive? If you stay in a hotel, is it coersion to have you pay for it? We live in this country and we have a moral duty to pay for the services we receive.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

You go to jail for committing a criminal offence. Paying your taxes is a law supported by parliament. Are you being coerced to not rob a bank or commit assault? 

You highlight an interesting difference. In the case of robbing a bank or a common assault the state is saying that you cannot perform certain actions in order to protect other people. But they're not compelling your behavior, they're not telling you what you must do

Taxes on the other hand is a different story. Without your permission they are compelling you to take action against your will for the benefit of someone else.

@GroundskeeperWillie Is absolutely correct in his point and you highlight the fact that taxes are very different than almost any other law in that they compel Behavior against the will of the individual rather than prohibit Behavior which impacts other individuals without their approval.

It is absolutely coercion. If you want to argue that it's some species of necessary coercion or some species of social contract or the like you can make that argument but you cannot argue that it isn't coercion

[eyeball]

30 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

you literally supported a government who committed a number of crimes according to the RCMP but couldn't be prosecuted and don't believe they should be held accountable by the voters.

You believe nothing of what you profess

That's right you most certainly did. You bastard.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

That's right you most certainly did. You bastard.

Did what? Expose you was a liar again? Point out that you don't believe what you say and your actions completely refute your statements? Recognize your hypocrisy and dishonesty? Laugh at you for suggesting we need more transparency while  you frequently insist that Trudeau's crimes are harpers fault for not trying hard enough?

I most certainly do indeed  

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Did what? Expose you was a liar again? Point out that you don't believe what you say and your actions completely refute your statements? Recognize your hypocrisy and dishonesty? Laugh at you for suggesting we need more transparency while  you frequently insist that Trudeau's crimes are harpers fault for not trying hard enough?

I most certainly do indeed  

[Queenmandy85]

On 2/7/2025 at 9:14 PM, CdnFox said:

Taxes on the other hand is a different story. Without your permission they are compelling you to take action against your will for the benefit of someone else.

You appear to be misinformed. Taxes are voted by Parliament. You elected them, so they are acting with your permission. 

Taxes have been collected long before the Offa and Cerdic. The role of Parliament  having the exclusive authority to raise taxes for the ministry and the power to decide how those taxes are used, is as old as Confederation. 

Clearly, you are a seasoned political activist. I am surprised you have not discussed this with your MP. 😎

Edited February 13 by Queenmandy85

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

You appear to be misinformed. Taxes are voted by Parliament. You elected them, so they are acting with your permission. 

It would appear that you are the person who is misinformed. The fact that a percentage of a population voted for someone does not mean that they received permission from all people for their actions. It may mean that they can legally do something but that is not the same as having the permission of an individual. 

Further, my representative that I voted for which is the only person I got a chance to vote for voted against the budget. So not only did I not vote for the budget but the guy I voted to represent me did not vote for the budget and therefore the taxes are definitely imposed against my personal will and without my permission.

Other fail there

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Taxes have been collected long before the Offa and Cerdic.

Murders have been committed before then too but that doesn't make them good

 

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The role of Parliament  having the exclusive authority to raise taxes for the ministry and the power to decide how those taxes are used, is as old as Confederation. 

None of that changes what I said

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Clearly, you are a seasoned political activist. I am surprised you have not discussed this with your MP. 😎

Read above  

 

But let's get to brass tacks. All of that is to completely dodge the point I made because you know I was right and that you were wrong. You are coerced into paying taxes. We can debate whether or not that should be legal or if doing so represents a reasonable infringement on people's rights or the like, but we can't say it isn't coersion or a violation of individual rights even if it turns out that it's a necessary one or one we're prepared to accept. 

There is a fundamental difference between compelling someone and forcing them to take action in spite of their rights and forbidding people from taking action to protect the specific rights of others.  

And nothing you said addresses that. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Further, my representative that I voted for which is the only person I got a chance to vote for voted against the budget. So not only did I not vote for the budget but the guy I voted to represent me did not vote for the budget and therefore the taxes are definitely imposed against my personal will and without my permission.

What? Who took away your choice to vote for a different representative?

You must live in Russia.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

It may mean that they can legally do something but that is not the same as having the permission of an individual. 

Maybe it's just none of your business.

Edited February 13 by eyeball

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

What? Who took away your choice to vote for a different representative?

It was never there. We're not America we don't vote for the prime minister or the like. The local representative is the only person I get to vote for.

For god's sake do I actually have to explain how our writing system works to you? Any credibility you ever had on political front just went out the window. In Canada we vote for our local representative. That is the only person you get to vote for. The representatives may belong to a party but it is the party who chooses the prime minister. Or more accurately the house selects the Prime Minister not the voters.

You may have noticed that when you last voted in a federal election, assuming you actually did considering how often you point out how pointless it is to do so, let you were only able to vote for the person in your riding. That is the only person you get to elect

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

It was never there. We're not America we don't vote for the prime minister or the like. The local representative is the only person I get to vote for.

Oh, you just figured that out?  It's obvious you never had a clue every time you tell everyone they voted for Trudeau. 

Americans also vote as indirectly as we do btw.

This is especially funny.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

For god's sake do I actually have to explain how our writing system works to you?

I know it involves a pencil, a piece of paper and writing an x but it's actually a voting system.

LMAO!

 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

You may have noticed that when you last voted in a federal election, assuming you actually did considering how often you point out how pointless it is to do so, let you were only able to vote for the person in your riding. That is the only person you get to elect

Is does sound kind of pointless when you put it like that but when you point out how important an opportunity it is to do what's right and put the country first. It almost makes me shiver in anticipation.

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So not only did I not vote for the budget but the guy I voted to represent me did not vote for the budget and therefore the taxes are definitely imposed against my personal will and without my permission.

Yeah but in another 4-5 years you'll have another wonderful opportunity to do the same thing so buck up buttercup.

Maybe the party you voted for will change their name and it'll be like a brand new opportunity! Gives you goose bumps doesn't it?

[CdnFox]

28 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Oh, you just figured that out? f paper and writing an x but it's actually a voting system.

 

I literally just had to explain it to you. And you voted for the liberal party, with trudeau as the leader, 

Nice try kid 

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Is does sound kind of pointless when you put it like that

Not to normal people

You're starting to have your usual temper tantrum when you realize you have been made to look like a fool. Where are you alternate between trying to pretend that everything is just a joke and getting angry and offended

IT's truly pathetic that you did not know till now how our system worked. 

But I love that you're trying to convince everyone you're not anti-democracy while literally speaking out against democracy and saying how pointless it is   

 

[eyeball]

42 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

you voted...

 

37 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

...while literally speaking out against democracy

[CdnFox]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

 

By the way  as a terrorist supporter how do you feel about trump's latest suggestion for gaza? 

Hamas is what you get when the public doesn't waste it's time voting every 4 years, and now i see why you approve fo them. 

 

 

 

 

[eyeball]

57 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

By the way  as a terrorist supporter how do you feel about trump's latest suggestion for gaza? 

That Trump is a terrorist who's out of his mind.

58 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Hamad is what you get when the public doesn't waste it's time voting every 4 years, and now i see why you approve fo them.

LMAO!

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

That Trump is a terrorist who's out of his mind.

 

Wow, if only he would just kill a few Jews for you then it sounds like you'd be voting for him next election

 

[eyeball]

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Wow, if only he would just kill a few Jews for you then it sounds like you'd be voting for him next election

I doubt we'll be allowed representation in the event of our annexation, at least not until sufficient numbers of lefties are disappeared.

Besides which voters don't cast ballots for leaders, remember the little talk we had last night about indirect voting?

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I doubt we'll be allowed representation in the event of our annexation,

So you're in favor of it then?