A showdown on Ukraine is coming: it may determine the next age of the free world and humanity

[myata]

Well we, most of the world know that neither of the claims on Greenland, Panama and/or Canada is going to transpire in this reality any time soon. Renaming games and chasing immigrants for some to feel great again may not be entertaining enough and for long enough. The pueblo may begin scratching its head and looking for answers: real, factual and visible. And this is why Ukraine offers such a great opportunity to come up with just that.

I don't have predetermined conclusions. I know who said and did what but I'm not deciding what will happen. I would certainly acknowledge it if he takes real and practical steps to bring the criminal regime into compliance with the international law it so blatantly violated. The way to that end is clear: arm Ukraine properly, that Joe was too scared/hesitant/senile to do; and suffocate the criminal state with severe sanctions so that either its economy collapses; or it starts complying; or both. Again, there's nothing problematic or uncertain about this option. There's only one problem: it may not bring quick poster picture solutions, probably not in a matter of weeks or months.

The other possibility is clear as well: to collude with the worst international criminals since the times of WWII and try to press Ukraine into accepting and unjust and unsafe parody of "peace".

Important is to see right now, from the outset that these choices are mutually exclusive and no compromises between them are possible. International law either exists or it does not. Aggression in relations between countries, either outlawed and prosecuted or welcomed and encouraged. And very clearly, this decision will decide the kind of the next age of the humanity: will it be the restoration of the law and order; or a descent into a new Dark Age of lawlessness and violence, this time with the nukes.

We have to be clear on the kind of choices and their impact on our future. There can be no misunderstandings or hesitation. This choice is coming and there's no avoiding it and its consequences.

Edited January 28 by myata

[gatomontes99]

Is Moscow cold this time of year?

[Deluge]

2 hours ago, myata said:

Well we, most of the world knows that neither of the claims on Greenland, Panama and/or Canada is going to transpire in this reality any time soon. Renaming games and chasing immigrants for some to feel great again may not be entertaining enough and for long enough. The pueblo may begin scratching its head and looking for answers: real, factual and visible. And this is why Ukraine offers such a great opportunity to come up with just that.

I don't have predetermined conclusions. I know who said and did what but I'm not deciding what will happen. I would certainly acknowledge it if he takes real and practical steps to bring the criminal regime into compliance with the international law it so blatantly violated. The way to that end is clear: arm Ukraine properly, that Joe was too scared/hesitant/senile to do; and suffocate the criminal state with severe sanctions so that either its economy collapses; or it starts complying; or both. Again, there's nothing problematic or uncertain about this option. There's only one problem: it may not bring quick poster picture solutions, probably not in a matter of weeks or months.

The other possibility is clear as well: to collude with the worst international criminals since the times of WWII and try to press Ukraine into accepting and unjust and unsafe parody of "peace".

Important is to see right now, from the outset that these choices are mutually exclusive and no compromises between them are possible. International law either exists or it does not. Aggression in relations between countries, either outlawed and prosecuted or welcomed and encouraged. And very clearly, this decision will decide the kind of the next age of the humanity: will it be the restoration of the law and order; or a descent into a new Dark Age of lawlessness and violence, this time with the nukes.

We have to be clear on the kind of choices and their impact on our future. There can be no misunderstandings or hesitation. This choice is coming and there's no avoiding it and its consequences.

myata just wants the US to get back to facilitating the war between Ukraine and Russia. 

Of course, he's really pissed off that the flow of illegal aliens has stopped, and I'm sure he's screaming inside about the Federal Government being ordered to put their pride flags away. 

It's a rough time right now for America hating wokejobs. 

[Hodad]

3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Is Moscow cold this time of year?

It is quite cold, but Putin's thighs keep Trump's ears toasty warm.

[myata]

The brainless bunch already demonstrated - factually, that they don't understand the notion of law and justice; they have no respect for it. And they are ready to do away with it whenever the opportunity presents itself. If you are dumb or careless or something else to not think what it means not for someone half a world away but for you, it won't save you from the future of lawlessness and chaos coming back to you. Like that boomerang, of the cause and its logical consequence. No explanations of simplicity, naivete would help you one bit. Sure, you knew.

[myata]

Note by the way the moral balance here: these folks are perfectly fine with the use of force to grab something that doesn't belong to them. And all of a sudden, on a dime they are up in arms against "war", not fighting God forbid just helping a victim of a most heinous aggression of this century. At the same time. Know the word for that? Yes that's them they past pretending and hiding, proud of it.

If it will speak for America now, it would would one of the quickest examples of an onset of moral corruption in the entire history. The fall of Rome took centuries.

And for the folks like @Army Guy still looking for complexities, not so simple? You sure know (even now) that when this sh*t rises, there were those who marched and shouted and those who stood by looking away and pretending nothing much is happening. You sure knew that, now.

[Army Guy]

3 minutes ago, myata said:

Note by the way the moral balance here: these folks are perfectly fine with the use of force to grab something that doesn't belong to them. And all of a sudden, on a dime they are up in arms against "war", not fighting God forbid just helping a victim of a most heinous aggression of this century. At the same time. Know the word for that? Yes that's them they past pretending and hiding, proud of it.

If it will speak for America now, it would would one of the quickest examples of an onset of moral corruption in the entire history. The fall of Rome took centuries.

And for the folks like @Army Guy still looking for complexities, not so simple? You sure know (even now) that when this sh*t rises, there were those who marched and shouted and those who stood by looking away and pretending nothing much is happening. You sure knew that, now.

OH FFS calm down the sky is not fallen you'll be alright, stay under your bed and in a few months this will all be over....

 

[myata]

58 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

stay under your bed and in a few months this will all be over....

That's because you know that when Adolph said that it was terrible, Vlad, no but wait and Him Oh Our Supreme All, just business as usual nothing to worry? Or you don't just lost the last clue? How do you know what you don't know? Care to share the rational principles?

[Deluge]

6 hours ago, myata said:

Well we, most of the world know that neither of the claims on Greenland, Panama and/or Canada is going to transpire in this reality any time soon. Renaming games and chasing immigrants for some to feel great again may not be entertaining enough and for long enough. The pueblo may begin scratching its head and looking for answers: real, factual and visible. And this is why Ukraine offers such a great opportunity to come up with just that.

I don't have predetermined conclusions. I know who said and did what but I'm not deciding what will happen. I would certainly acknowledge it if he takes real and practical steps to bring the criminal regime into compliance with the international law it so blatantly violated. The way to that end is clear: arm Ukraine properly, that Joe was too scared/hesitant/senile to do; and suffocate the criminal state with severe sanctions so that either its economy collapses; or it starts complying; or both. Again, there's nothing problematic or uncertain about this option. There's only one problem: it may not bring quick poster picture solutions, probably not in a matter of weeks or months.

The other possibility is clear as well: to collude with the worst international criminals since the times of WWII and try to press Ukraine into accepting and unjust and unsafe parody of "peace".

Important is to see right now, from the outset that these choices are mutually exclusive and no compromises between them are possible. International law either exists or it does not. Aggression in relations between countries, either outlawed and prosecuted or welcomed and encouraged. And very clearly, this decision will decide the kind of the next age of the humanity: will it be the restoration of the law and order; or a descent into a new Dark Age of lawlessness and violence, this time with the nukes.

We have to be clear on the kind of choices and their impact on our future. There can be no misunderstandings or hesitation. This choice is coming and there's no avoiding it and its consequences.

myata can't think of anything more important than Ukraine. I hope things turn out the way he wants them to; poor little marxist...

[gatomontes99]

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

It is quite cold, but Putin's thighs keep @myata's ears toasty warm.

Fify

[myata]

And one more time: they think nothing of robbing other people just because they want it. Then turn around on a dime to cry for "peace". Makes sense, in what twisted world?

[robosmith]

9 hours ago, Army Guy said:

OH FFS calm down the sky is not fallen you'll be alright, stay under your bed and in a few months this will all be over....

Thanks for demonstrating you haven't a clue about the impact of allowing Putin to trash the post WWII Geneva Conventions which made taking over a foreign nation by force a crime.

Xi really wants Taiwan, too. And when he takes it, that will upend the US economy because America's most advanced semiconductor manufacturing is ONLY in Taiwan. 🤮

 

[myata]

14 hours ago, Army Guy said:

OH FFS calm down the sky is not fallen you'll be alright

Are you seeing yourself in the mirror, uttering that wisely, September 1939? Nothing bad can happen, right? We just know it.

[myata]

The script with the politicians and diplomats these days seems to be, tread softly, maybe he isn't as crazy just playing it. There's some rationale to it, there's no point in exacerbating a difficult situation to bad and/or out of control states upfront. But we, the rational world have to understand very clearly that any such dispositions, assumptions and hopes can be short lived, like months literally. And be prepared to act with no delay or hesitation.

Because if there are any signs of siding with Putin, the worst international criminal in the world since Hitler we can interpret it one way only: the peaceful and stable future of the humanity itself, all of it, will be at stake. If Putin is allowed to get away with his crimes, it'll be a free season for maniacs with nukes for the observable future, with nothing left to stand in its way.

We have to understand this very clearly. There can be no place for indecision, procrastination and delays.