The one and true diversity: for the woke, fascists and the rest of us

[taxme]

6 hours ago, myata said:

Yep, that's exactly how it happened the last time, almost a century back. You're a living proof that absolute zero learning is possible. Proud, eh?

You are such a arse. You know nothing at all about Trump. All you know is what the lying leftist liberal MSM says about him. Trump is a threat to their left wing corruption and he is about to clean house of their corruption. You are mocking and attacking the wrong person when you go after Trump. You hate Trump and you do not even know why.

So, just what do you personally know about Trump? Have you ever sat down with Trump and had a talk with him? Take the time to take your head out of your arse and try getting the other side of the story, arse. Trump haters are so f'kn stupid. They still think that Turdeau and Bidumb were god's gift to mankind. They are the two most corrupt leaders in North America. Phk-awf. 🤮

[myata]

31 minutes ago, taxme said:

You know nothing at all about Trump.

Look, you're in an alien universe, right? Do you see the three moons up there, one amber-orange? There you go. Your Trump must be a great huggable fellow may even have some intelligence too. Ours alas went quite a different way. The fellow is record-breaking double impeached, has 34 felony counts of convictions and was about to see the court for an attempt to subvert a democratic election. You couldn't have known back there though. Very much understandably.

[Five of swords]

On 1/15/2025 at 2:17 PM, myata said:

Only three rules:

1. One (everyone) has the right to physical safety (no violence)

2. Everyone the right to emotional and psychological safety (no harassment, threats, coercion)

3. Everyone can have an expectation of reasonable convenience (accommodation) as long as it doesn't significantly and unduly inconvenience others

Simple? And no need to update the books every so many years on every new ideology drive.

I can assure anyone that within these simple and natural guidelines a solution can be found to any practical problem (if skeptical, hire me for a demonstration).

Reality cannot be denied. The rules are universal and reciprocal. The majority exists. Majority is not guilty nor owes to minorities anything additional and extra to the universal rules. Accommodation of minority(ies) cannot happen via a significant inconvenience to the majority.

Extremes:

Wokism:

Majority doesn't exist (denial of empirical reality). Majority is guilty and/or owes more. Accommodation of minorities can be achieved via progressively increasing inconvenience to the majority. Ideological drives and/or agendas can be imposed and pressed onto the majority on a whim or by political expedience.

Fascism:

Minorities do not exist. Minorities are abnormal and potentially dangerous. Minorities can be inconvenienced, harassed, persecuted and so on. Minorities can be made scapegoats and distractions in fascist ideological drives and agendas.

For the rest of us:

Live and let live as an old golden rule. Simple, really?

 

Self defeating. Someone has to have the monopoly of violence as well as the power to interpret what exactly is 'unsafe'. You also need to have your resources protected from foreign nations. And you do not owe protection to people who are not your citizens. These issues cannot be solved by writing down your arbitrary ethical construct about what you think governments SHOULD do (ignoring so much of what they MUST do)

[Five of swords]

On 1/15/2025 at 2:17 PM, myata said:

Only three rules:

1. One (everyone) has the right to physical safety (no violence)

2. Everyone the right to emotional and psychological safety (no harassment, threats, coercion)

3. Everyone can have an expectation of reasonable convenience (accommodation) as long as it doesn't significantly and unduly inconvenience others

Simple? And no need to update the books every so many years on every new ideology drive.

I can assure anyone that within these simple and natural guidelines a solution can be found to any practical problem (if skeptical, hire me for a demonstration).

Reality cannot be denied. The rules are universal and reciprocal. The majority exists. Majority is not guilty nor owes to minorities anything additional and extra to the universal rules. Accommodation of minority(ies) cannot happen via a significant inconvenience to the majority.

Extremes:

Wokism:

Majority doesn't exist (denial of empirical reality). Majority is guilty and/or owes more. Accommodation of minorities can be achieved via progressively increasing inconvenience to the majority. Ideological drives and/or agendas can be imposed and pressed onto the majority on a whim or by political expedience.

Fascism:

Minorities do not exist. Minorities are abnormal and potentially dangerous. Minorities can be inconvenienced, harassed, persecuted and so on. Minorities can be made scapegoats and distractions in fascist ideological drives and agendas.

For the rest of us:

Live and let live as an old golden rule. Simple, really?

 

Fascism obviously acknowledges the existence of 'minorities', by the way. It simply clearly defines which people it fights for and which people it does not. Thus one of the first statements Hitler made was that jews are not germans. He cares about germans and he feels no responsibility to care about jews.

Non germans were allowed to live in natsoc germany...but under a different set of laws and a different set of rights. If they didn't like it then they were encouraged to leave. It was that simple.

[myata]

Well facts exist and they don't lie: fascism is an anti-democratic, violent, inhumane and criminal ideology. The lessons of its development and deeds are recorded in history. In the context of this topic, we look at how fascism deals with minorities. There are many, many well-known facts on that subject as well. For all other aspects clearly beyond and not related to it, you are advised (and in fact, encouraged) to use another venue.

[Legato]

12 minutes ago, myata said:

you are advised (and in fact, encouraged) to use another venue.

How diverse of you.

[myata]

11 hours ago, Legato said:

How diverse of you.

There are well known outlets for fascist diversity. No doubt you'll be very welcome to spill the indignity of the oppression and (fascist) freedom aspirations there. Good luck, too.

[Zeitgeist]

On 1/15/2025 at 3:51 PM, myata said:

Actually, having reflected on it a bit further I have to insist that my definition is slightly yet essentially better in one aspect, being more precise and specific.

The quoted, great words as they are depend and even were defined by the term "men". And men who consider themselves in the class but not some others were and are known to exist and even, at times, become violent justifying it by nothing other than their liberty and happiness.

The definition in the OP eliminates this weakness and closes all loopholes around it. Everyone has the right to be safe physically and from any form of abuse, persecution, coercion etc.

I’ve arrived at the conclusion that we’ve lost the values and beliefs that brought us the constitutions that are the bedrock of our civilization.  When I heard Whoopi Goldberg say that the 10 Commandments shouldn’t be allowed to be promoted in schools because, “What about the Muslims?”, I realized how stupid we’ve become.  She didn’t even know that Muslims recognize the foundational books of the Old Testament.

People don’t even understand that there are origins for the values underlying most of our laws.  I say most because in recent decades we started forgetting those foundational principles and began allowing and even promoting behaviour that is the recipe for civilizational collapse, particularly around the family, fertility, gender roles, sexually, treatment of our food and bodies through the use of chemicals and technology, and so on.

We have reaped the results of modern life: women who are expected to do everything men do and to be completely independent from men (against traditional and Biblical roles), men who act like women, people who are pleasure seekers (backed by the state with free birth control, drugs, and unlimited abortion access), a collapse in fertility countered by mass immigration (often from cultures that have different values, sometimes destructive ones), lost generations of people without purpose choosing to do themselves in through state-provided suicide or free hard drugs, dependence on the state, a refusal to take personal responsibility, and a working around key constitutional rights like free speech and self-determination on the excuse of national security or safety.

The West is in free fall because it forgot and began devaluing our foundational principles.  There were reasons for the elevation of some cultural values,, but now when people try to invoke those beliefs publicly, they are deemed racist or bigoted or backward.

Wokism is built on a culture of overspending and excess, where people have forgotten what it takes to raise a family, budget, and build something worthwhile and lasting without the air of desperation around being able to afford a home or eat healthy food.

We are told in Canada now that the state knows what we deserve and how we should live, and that the answer to our problems is a subsistence government program.  We’ve stifled productivity, creativity, entrepreneurship, and the ability to take advantage of our country’s resources.  In fact we’re told they don’t belong to us, that developing them is destroying the planet, and that we should hand it all over to designated victim groups that the state has decided are better people worthy of endless money for nothing handouts, groups whose ancestors had much harsher lifestyles than the ones our civilization provided.

You’re right that some basic tolerance is imported in most cases, but not all beliefs and choices are of equal value, nor are all political and ideological standpoints.  We’re learning that now the hard way.  We’ve forgotten how much hard work it took to build and defend Canada.  The WW2 generation are basically gone.  The boomers brought us free love and some dubious expansions of our ideas about women, marriage, family and social organization.  We’re having to do major cleanup.  The generations after the boomers haven’t been any better generally.  

[myata]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The WW2 generation are basically gone.  The boomers brought us free love and some dubious expansions of our ideas about women, marriage, family and social organization.  We’re having to do major cleanup.  The generations after the boomers haven’t been any better generally.  

But you see it appears that humanity never actually learns anything. There's certain evolutionary reason for that but the way it works every few generations, forget the books, stories, films, personal records and so on, we have to reinterpret the rules and wisdom passed to us over from the earlier times. And the result of this process isn't guaranteed by far and by anything. So yes, literally over the same pothole again and again and it takes just once to sink into it.

[Zeitgeist]

23 minutes ago, myata said:

But you see it appears that humanity never actually learns anything. There's certain evolutionary reason for that but the way it works every few generations, forget the books, stories, films, personal records and so on, we have to reinterpret the rules and wisdom passed to us over from the earlier times. And the result of this process isn't guaranteed by far and by anything. So yes, literally over the same pothole again and again and it takes just once to sink into it.

I agree.  Unfortunately it’s often wars and economic hardship that remind people how hard life can get and what matters most.  They realize that not everything is up for negotiation.  I don’t want to see tough times ahead, but their possibility is hopefully a wake-up call.

Covid ironically removed the masks hiding the self-interest and controlling nature of the elites.  At least that was definitely the case in Canada.  Government is disconnected from its people and the the everyday hardships of workers.  I believe that’s why we see the rise of populism and rejection of status quo politicians.

[taxme]

On 1/17/2025 at 12:36 PM, myata said:

Look, you're in an alien universe, right? Do you see the three moons up there, one amber-orange? There you go. Your Trump must be a great huggable fellow may even have some intelligence too. Ours alas went quite a different way. The fellow is record-breaking double impeached, has 34 felony counts of convictions and was about to see the court for an attempt to subvert a democratic election. You couldn't have known back there though. Very much understandably.

So, in other words, you know sweet phk all about Trump, except for what you get from the lying left wing liberal media.  right? You are either a bloody fool or a troll Trump hater and you come on here to try and discredit him for your troll masters. Trump is a man. You are just a little runt of an immature child. 

So far, Trump has not been found guilty of anything, stupid. Trump has even made it to become the President of the USA. I think that your only achievement in life is how to become a total sack of troll chit. Just saying, stupid. LOL.