MAGA civil war starting?

[BeaverFever]

22 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Hey care as long as these people do what they're told. They're happy to care about the peons as long as they stay in line and obey their masters.

Conservatives recognize that these are people. And that you are not superior to them in any way shape or form. And that their thoughts and opinions are valid.

These are things that liberals simply refuse to accept

There’s your opposite-of-reality fabrication again. If anything liberals are guilty of supporting anti-authority, non-conformity and protesting too much. Conservatives are the ones historically obsessed with social hierarchy and minding your place, conformity, hero worship, etc. 

Conservatives coined the term “bleeding heart liberals” for a reason and it’s precisely because they believe liberals are too sympathetic and compassionate while certain people-the poor, homeless, drug addicted etc — are undeserving of sympathy due to their “poor life choices”. Conservatives are social Darwinists who have actually argued for decades that compassion has no place in public policy and people must be left to sink or swim on their own. 
 

22 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It's the left who believes that people must be told what to do, what to think, how to behave etc.

Absolutely false   Pick any topic:  same sex marriage, marijuana, abortion,  book banning, forcing public school teachers to teach the bible, what public washroom a tranny is allowed to use, cancelling Bud Light, cancelling all the Republicans who dared to criticize Trump…and so on. There are countless examples.  And that’s just recently. Back in the day conservatives had freakouts over Ellen Degeneres being gay, Murphy Brown fictional TV character being a single mother, swear words in rap music, and a thousand other things. Controlling people and forcing conformity is a key feature of conservatism. Clearly anyone can see its the conservatives trying to control people and what they think.

I mean FFS not only were you conservatives trying to ban gay marriage (still are in the USA) you tried to use the notwithstanding clause, the nuclear option to suspend charter rights to do it  

And this MAGA civil war with Elon banning his critics is a perfect example although MAGAs and Musk don’t really align with any known definition of the word “conservative” that’s the host the MAGA parasite has chosen to infect. 

Edited December 28, 2024 by BeaverFever

[User]

6 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

If anything liberals are guilty of supporting anti-authority, non-conformity and protesting too much.

It is amazing how you guys have no memory for the recent past. 

Hello Pandemic. 

Some of the most gross abuse of power we have witnessed in this generation by those on the left. 

Lets review all the other ways you guys on the left support leftist authoritarianism when it comes to government controls over every aspect of our lives with more regulations, bigger government, more meddling government, controls over speech, pushing more restrictions on speech from citizens united to so-called hate speech and how those on the left abused government power to pressure private business to silence people. 

 

[User]

21 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Absolutely false   Pick any topic:  same sex marriage, marijuana, abortion,  book banning, forcing public school teachers to teach the bible, what public washroom a tranny is allowed to use, cancelling Bud Light, cancelling all the Republicans who dared to criticize Trump…and so on.

Oh please. You are conflating using the force of government with choosing to not support things. 

Lets see... 

Book banning? No books have been banned. What has been done is to change standards for curriculum and what is allowed into school libraries to exclude the leftist push to put LGBTQ smut and porn in them. Because children in K-12 schools don't need guides on how to use anal plugs or use gay hook up apps. 

Abortion? The same dumb leftist argument... the issue is about protecting tiny helpless unborn children from being killed for the mere convenience of it. 

Washrooms? Yet again, you guys are pushing this madness onto little girls, that they have to share their private spaces with dudes. No. You were the ones pushing this onto girls, we are the ones defending them. 

 

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, User said:

Hello Pandemic. 

Agree with it or not it wasn’t a power grab but what governments of all political stripes around the world thought was right based on the advice of non-political experts and those restrictions ended once they felt they were no longer needed   Conservatives OTOH force ideology down others throats. I mentioned a long list already. Let’s add Doug Ford’s attempt to use the notwithstanding clause just for some minor tinkering with Toronto city hall composition based on some personal pet theory of his that turned out to be a failure.  Another example of the willingness to use the constitutional nuclear option for trivial matters. 
 

2 hours ago, User said:

Lets review all the other ways you guys on the left support leftist authoritarianism when it comes to government controls over every aspect of our lives with more regulations, bigger government, more meddling government, controls over speech, pushing more restrictions on speech from citizens united to so-called hate speech and how those on the left abused government power to pressure private business to silence people. 

Wah wah conservatives pass laws too. Republicans came up withe Patriot Act amd had people abducted and flown to torture sites all over the world, spied on people who rightly criticized their bogus lies on invading Iraq. Republicans passed laws to prevent milk producers saying “hormone free” and subjected others to compelled speech forcing them to say there’s nothing wrong with with having artificial hormones in milk. Republicans repeal laws that prevent financial advisors from ripping off their clients and allow polluters to poison citizens with impunity. Republicans have regulated everything from banning baggy pants to the books in libraries. They tried to make it an act of of terrorism to film animal abuse in slaughterhouses.  And you have Ron De Santis weaponing the state against Disney because they dared to publicly criticize him, ripping up Reedy Creek and threatening to surround Disney with toll roads and prisons.  Snitch lines for teachers, forced religious education, forcing schools to out up religious signage, Republicans are heavy handed. What about Chris Christie Fort Lee bridge scandal? He shut down a town’s main thoroughfare for days without warning for no reason but to cause major traffic jams as punishment voting Democrat in a recent election. People couldn’t get to work or school or the hospital emergency services were screwed 
 

You mention citizens United as if that’s a good thing. A corporatist Republican backed court ruling that gave corporations the right to make unlimited campaign control to politicians on the basis the corporations are people and their campaign contributions are protected free speech. That is the biggest monster in the swamp and a direct threat to democracy.  When Republicans say they oppose laws and regulations they only oppose barriers to unfettered corporate rule. For decades the Republicans have operated ALEC, where republicans from every level of government across the country literally meet with corporations that dictate legislation to them. The corporations literally ghostwrite the bills for them. One republican stupidly introduced a bill into his stat legislature written on the corporate letterhead 

 

And then of course you have Trump trying to outright steal the 2020 election that’s about as authoritarian as it gets 

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, User said:

Book banning? No books have been banned.

Yes books have been banned from schools and public libraries. 

Book bans are on the rise in U.S. schools, fueled by new laws in Republican-led states

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2023-04-22/book-bans-soaring-schools-new-laws-republican-states
 

 

Book banning in the United States (2021–present)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_banning_in_the_United_States_(2021–present)
 

 

2 hours ago, User said:

What has been done is to change standards for curriculum and what is allowed into school libraries

Aka books were banned

2 hours ago, User said:

leftist push to put LGBTQ smut and porn in them. Because children in K-12 schools don't need guides on how to use anal plugs or use gay hook up apps.

Lies.  No such books were ever in schools. 
 

2 hours ago, User said:

Abortion? The same dumb leftist argument... the issue is about protecting tiny helpless unborn children from being killed for the mere convenience of it. 

The issue is about imposing YOUR moral/religious beliefs on the bodies of women who don’t share those beliefs. And suggesting women get abortions “for mere convenience” is another lie. 
 

2 hours ago, User said:

Washrooms? Yet again, you guys are pushing this madness onto little girls, that they have to share their private spaces with dudes. No. You were the ones pushing this onto girls, we are the ones defending them. 

Hey genius why don’t you stop and think about this ridiculous narrative you’re selling . You would have us believe that throughout history and up until very recently trannies always used the public washroom that corresponded to their biological sex and birth, until democrats came along recently and somehow started “pushing” them into the other washroom. Do you havre memories of trannies dressed like women pissing in the men’s urinal?  The reality is that since the dawn of time they have used whatever washroom is the most comfortable and that’s usually the one that matches their outward appearance. It’s REPUBLICANS who suddenly ginned up a culture war and seem to want tranny police in the washrooms inspecting everyone’s junk and demanding ID. 

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, User said:

They are appointments... they exist to advance Trump's agenda because Trump is one man and can't head every executive department himself. 

Cabinet positions have nothing to do with meritocracy. 

It is the Democrats who literally base their campaign on building a coalition of victims. 

Nothing to do with meritocracy?  That’s a new one. While they are also political appointments, the appointees are supposed to be highly qualified. Trump’s appointments don’t even meet minimal qualifications. 

[User]

6 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Nothing to do with meritocracy?  That’s a new one. While they are also political appointments, the appointees are supposed to be highly qualified. Trump’s appointments don’t even meet minimal qualifications. 

Yes, nothing to do with meritocracy. There is no progression of achievements on an established path to get to a cabinet-level position. 

There is nothing new about this. 

Now, you are shifting the argument to your subjective take on qualifications. 

 

[User]

11 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Yes books have been banned from schools and public libraries. 

OK... and? The argument you are making here is meaningless then. Books have always been banned from schools and libraries. They don't have the hard corps porn section for kids to go browse and we don't teach kids how to read with Playboy and Hustler. 

So... what is your point?

12 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Aka books were banned

Aka, your argument is meaningless now. 

No one is stopping you from buying all the anal butt plug guides your heart desires. 

What we have is standards and a curriculum that says you don't get to put that smut into public school so you can groom little children. 

14 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Lies.  No such books were ever in schools. 

No lies. You are apparently ignorant of this subject. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11835973/Ron-DeSantis-airs-video-containing-sexually-explicit-content-childrens-books.html

16 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

The issue is about imposing YOUR moral/religious beliefs on the bodies of women who don’t share those beliefs. And suggesting women get abortions “for mere convenience” is another lie. 

It is no more my moral or religious belief being imposed on a woman than telling her she can't kill her 5 year old. 

Yes, over 95% of abortions are for the mere convenience of it. They are not ready, don't think they can afford it, are in school, will mess up their career, don't want any more kids... these are all matters of convenience. 

18 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

The reality is that since the dawn of time they have used whatever washroom is the most comfortable and that’s usually the one that matches their outward appearance. It’s REPUBLICANS who suddenly ginned up a culture war and seem to want tranny police in the washrooms inspecting everyone’s junk and demanding ID. 

The reality is that it is only in the last decade that folks like you have been pushing this BS onto girls. 20 years ago we were not telling high school girls they had to compete against boys in the track meet and then share their locker room with them after...  

 

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, User said:

It is amazing how you guys have no memory for the recent past. 

Hello Pandemic. 

COVID authoritarianism? Get a grip. Unfortunately it was too late for that even long before the pandemic. You people were so gaslit beyond all recognition it's why you suffered the most throughout it. Physically and mentally.

So do you think Hitler would be appalled at the way people associatied him with Trudeau or amused?

[User]

36 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Agree with it or not it wasn’t a power grab but what governments of all political stripes around the world thought was right based on the advice of non-political experts and those restrictions ended once they felt they were no longer needed  

Yes, it was beyond a power trip as you guys celebrated beating people up, arresting them, and berating them for not wearing their masks... while left wing leaders enforced these draconian laws they were off at their own underground rave parties or wine parties at the vineyard... while they told you that you couldn't get your hair cut, they were off secretly getting theirs cut. 

California was filling in skateboard parks, arresting swimmers and surfers... it was madness. 

They shut down and destroyed small family businesses, while they carved out exceptions for their pals in Holiwood to continue making movies and TV shows. 

The panemic showed us exactly what kind of people the authoritarian left is, where they carve out exceptions for themselves, their friends, the connected and destroy anyone else. 

I will not forget. I will not forget how people could line up like it was a disco party at Home Depot, but then they were not allowed to worship even when the church took special precautions, social distancing, etc... had to take a Governor to federal court for the blatant unconstitutionality of it all. 

Nope, will not forget how playgrounds were caution taped off.

 

 

40 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

And then of course you have Trump trying to outright steal the 2020 election that’s about as authoritarian as it gets 

You have no room to talk here... we have already had this discussion like 3 times now and you have run away from every one of them. 

[User]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

COVID authoritarianism? Get a grip.

You can't gaslight me. I lived through this stupidity. 

The Biden administration continued to abuse their powers over transportation to force masking for as long as they could, long after most of society and other local governments moved on from it. 

You guys on the left cheered on the government keeping a tennis player out of the country for not being vaccinated against COVID while you cheered on the government letting millions of illegal immigrants pour across the border or allow in asylum seekers who were not vaccinated. 

 

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, User said:

You guys on the left cheered on the government keeping a tennis player out of the country for not being vaccinated against COVID while you cheered on the government letting millions of illegal immigrants pour across the border or allow in asylum seekers who were not vaccinated.

You guys were so unconcerned you licked toilet seats.

[User]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

You guys were so unconcerned you licked toilet seats.

Once again, you are here showing what a leftist authoritarian you are. 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

MAGA supporters tend to be low income

 

I've already provided proof that that's inaccurate. So at this point you're just lying and making shit up.

Very disappointing. Every now and then you show a spark that suggests you might be capable of reasonable thought but then your lefttard training kicks in and you resort to already disproven lies to try and fuel your delusions.

Here's a reminder from this very thread

 

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and, low education hardly the “results driven” high achievers you would have us believe  

Well as I have shown they actually tend to be higher earners than democrats. They tend to be more successful in life financially.

Further, they seem to have better mental health. We've already on several occasions posted proof from several research studies that show that democrats of all ages and both sexes have significantly higher mental health issues and the young females are actually over 50% having been diagnosed with a mental health issue.

So republicans tend to be happier, more mentally stable and successful. Sorry to burst your bubble

And that is perhaps why they are more results driven

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They also operate on emotion rather than knowledge understanding or logic  

LOL  and we've seen that's factually untrue as well   

 

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Trumps appointments easily disprove that claim. Besides The MAGA base trends to be low income, low achievement, blaming others for their low station - the exact opposite of merit. 

The opposite is true. Considering what his intentions are the picks for the most part are all people who will likely get the results he wants.

Kid, you are so factually off base here and so driven by hatred and emotion rather than logic and data that is frightening. The very fact that you have to fabricate such obviously disprovable nonsense should be a gross warning sign to yourself that you know very well you're in the wrongattempting to argue based on your talking points and tribalism rather than your reason.

Step back and do better

Edited December 29, 2024 by CdnFox

[BeaverFever]

25 minutes ago, User said:

Yes, nothing to do with meritocracy. There is no progression of achievements on an established path to get to a cabinet-level position. 

There is nothing new about this. 

Now, you are shifting the argument to your subjective take on qualifications. 

 

There doesn’t have to be progression of achievements on an established path.  Lots of jobs don’t have that.   There isn’t one for VP or President either but that didn’t stop you from squealing about Kamala qualifications. Someone in charge of a budget in the billions of dollars and a department with hundreds of thousands of employees, whose decisions can directly affect tens of millions of Americans is expected to have a combination of knowledge and experience commensurate with that level of responsibility, not some random boob who got the job because he had the most ass-kissing tweets. 

[User]

2 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

There doesn’t have to be progression of achievements on an established path.  Lots of jobs don’t have that.   There isn’t one for VP or President either but that didn’t stop you from squealing about Kamala qualifications. Someone in charge of a budget in the billions of dollars and a department with hundreds of thousands of employees, whose decisions can directly affect tens of millions of Americans is expected to have a combination of knowledge and experience commensurate with that level of responsibility, not some random boob who got the job because he had the most ass-kissing tweets. 

Yes, the whole notion of meritocracy is that you have worked your way into achieving a position, I suppose I have gone about this all wrong. In the most basic sense of the term, the folks being appointed to these positions did in fact earn their way there through the metrics that count: support, loyalty, and the ability to execute on behalf of Trumps vision. 

What exactly is the "squealing about Kamala qualifications" you are talking about my doing here?

What I and many others accurately pointed out was that she was a DEI hire, because Biden literally said he was looking for a black woman. 

Once again, you are changing the subject to what your subjective notions of qualifications are. Most all of these positions have experienced people under them who are career people in these agencies. They are there to head the organization to see that it fulfils the vision of the President. 

 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

There doesn’t have to be progression of achievements on an established path.  Lots of jobs don’t have that.   There isn’t one for VP or President either but that didn’t stop you from squealing about Kamala qualifications.

Oopsie, no bait and switches please

The lack of progression of achievements on an established path does not mean that there aren't still recognizable qualifications. It just means that there may be different collections of qualifications which could result in the same thing. Those qualifications may be direct or even indirect. 

Kamala had no qualifications with whatsoever. And you know who else didn't think so? Democrats, when they shot her down for her run for the presidency in 2019

Each of trump's appointees has the experience and background to give him belief that they will be able to do the job he wants them to do. That is very different than Kamala

[eyeball]

45 minutes ago, User said:

Once again, you are here showing what a leftist authoritarian you are. 

No I'm showing my experience as a captain in an emergency.  People who lose their shit in one are a threat to the safety and well being of the passengers, especially if they start interfering with the crew from carrying out their duties or start taking matters into their own hands.

If you refused to sit down, keep quiet and follow the instructions of the crew I'd be letting you know the police will be informed and waiting for you at the dock. Keep it up and I might be forced to ask other passengers to help bring you under control.

You'd be free to take it up at the inquiry that would follow once the emergency was over.

Of course a real authoritarian would just have you shot and thrown overboard. So get a grip.

[User]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No I'm showing my experience as a captain in an emergency.  People who lose their shit in one are a threat to the safety and well being of the passengers, especially if they start interfering with the crew from carrying out their duties or start taking matters into their own hands.

If you refused to sit down, keep quiet and follow the instructions of the crew I'd be letting you know the police will be informed and waiting for you at the dock. Keep it up and I might be forced to ask other passengers to help bring you under control.

You'd be free to take it up at the inquiry that would follow once the emergency was over.

Of course a real authoritarian would just have you shot and thrown overboard. So get a grip.

Lose their shit?

You are here defending the madness of left wing governors enjoying wine parties at the vineyard while they arrest people for surfing. 

You are here defending the madness of letting illegal immigrants and asylum seekers overun the border unvaccinated while cheering on stopping a tennis player from playing tennis here because he is not vaccinated. 

You folks have no shame. You don't get to pretend you are not a leftist authoritarian anymore. 

[User]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Of course a real authoritarian would just have you shot and thrown overboard. So get a grip.

Following your analogy, your idea of being a Captain is that you are up in the Officers mess with no masks on, drinking, partying, and having a good time while you put people in the brig for being alone on the flight deck without a mask on. 

Then you let people on the boat who are not vaccinated, turn a blind eye to people who are stow aways who are not vaccinated, while you demand the regular crew be vaccinated or thrown over board... 

If you were the Captian, we should mutiny and throw you overboard. 

Although, like the leftist authoritarian you are, I am sure you oppose any crew having weapons while only your goons rounding up the people not masked all alone on the flight deck... are armed. They are guarding the hall ways to ensure no one bothers you while you are partying. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, User said:

If you were the Captian, we should mutiny and throw you overboard. 

I've dealt with three fires at sea, an ingress of water, loss of propulsion and steerage in rough seas and a serious medical emergency but the emergency that pitted me against my passengers was when I responded to a mayday call. Seas were three meters it was windy, getting dark and I had a boatload of passengers some of whom were suffering from seasickness and becoming frightened. We were out in it for about an hour before the vessel in distress was found. Ours was not a happy ship and there were plenty of complaints that got me called to the mat afterwards.

There was nearly a fatality involved with the vessel in distress so there was no question about the fact it was a genuine emergency. Questions about my decisions putting the safety of my passengers were fairly easy to deal with, there were other vessels half our size out looking, I also have decades of experience in the area and after years behind the same wheel I was well aware of my vessel's limits.

There's a contract in effect here...when you step aboard a vessel as a passenger you agree to follow the instructions of the captain and crew. Not doing so, at best, will cause the captain to turn around and drop you off at the dock. At worst, you can probably expect to have the police waiting for you when we arrive.

So...in your analogy you'd be in really really deep shit if you'd decided to inspire a mutiny.

1 hour ago, User said:

Although, like the leftist authoritarian you are, I am sure you oppose any crew having weapons while only your goons rounding up the people not masked all alone on the flight deck... are armed. They are guarding the hall ways to ensure no one bothers you while you are partying. 

According to my analogy your scrambled way of thinking about things makes you an excellent example of a passenger who'd lost their shit long before they'd even climbed aboard. You'd be an even bigger threat to yourself, which as I said, is what made so many of you sitting ducks for COVID.

 

Edited December 29, 2024 by eyeball

[User]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

So...in your analogy you'd be in really really deep shit if you'd decided to inspire a mutiny.

It's is not my analogy, it was yours. And if you are just going to resort to taking it more literally, then it is meaningless in regards to the Pandemic anyway. 

Notice that you completely ignored that you would be up partying like a hypocrite in the Officer's mess with no mask on while you put people in the brig for being alone without a mask out on the deck... or you ignore the stowaways who are not vaccinated...

 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, User said:

And if you are just going to resort to taking it more literally, then it is meaningless in regards to the Pandemic anyway. 

A ship at sea has often been used as an analog to a society, especially one in distress and especially when things really start going sideways.

In addition to the social contract I guess you've never heard of The Ship of State either.

You don't get out much do you?

[User]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

A ship at sea has often been used as an analog to a society, especially one in distress and especially when things really start going sideways.

In addition to the social contract I guess you've never heard of The Ship of State either.

You don't get out much do you?

And you still ignore who you are and what you are doing on this ship of yours... 

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, User said:

And you still ignore who you are and what you are doing on this ship of yours... 

You just can't get enough of that conspiracy gas can you?