How much Pride do Canadians have in their own country....

[Dougie93]

Just now, CITIZEN_2015 said:

If any country is invaded or occupied, any civilian can take up arms and fight back like what happens in Europe in the early 40's. You don't have to be in the military to free your country from occupying force.

civilians are completely useless unless and until they have been indoctrinated & trained by professionals

there is no such thing as a self indoctrinated & trained guerrilla force

[Michael Hardner]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

... a contract of unlimited liability to the Crown

 

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

 

it was the greatest honour & privilege of my career to stand on parade for my Colonel-in-Chief

tho I did not swoon in the face of Elizabeth Windsor

it was none the less surreal

me in full dress with HM The Queen, on King Street West, at St. Andrew's Church

birthplace of the regiment on 16 October 1891

Dileas Gu Brath

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

civilians are completely useless unless and until they have been indoctrinated & trained by professionals

there is no such thing as a self indoctrinated & trained guerrilla force

How much training it takes to pull a trigger. I didn't mean that I will be a fighter jet pilot or a tank driver but when any country is occupied by enemies civilians forms resistance groups and weaken the enemy from within. Many resistance groups in occupied Europe of this kind helped to bring down Hitler for example.

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

How much training it takes to pull a trigger. I didn't mean that I will be a fighter jet pilot or a tank driver but when any country is occupied by enemies civilians forms resistance groups and weaken the enemy from within. Many resistance groups in occupied Europe of this kind helped to bring down Hitler for example.

I none the less question your resolve to die for the state

without any indoctrination nor training, you not only would be ineffective

but when faced with professionals whom would annihilate you upon contact

it seems far more likely that you would run away, if we're being realistic, rather than indulging in fantasy

furthermore, resistance forces in Europe were indoctrinated trained & equipped by Allied intelligence services

 

[Army Guy]

14 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

How democratic. 

lol..they lack "moral values" for voting for a party you don't support. 

I thought it was very democratic....of course i took into consideration that getting shoot with bag of conservative Sh!t would probably kill you...

Yes the fact that you supported a party with a laundry list of scandals', such as lining their own pockets with tax payers money, lying, being deceitful,  i could go on for days...thats were the lacking or moral values comes in...and not just once but 3 times....i mean ya your vote has played a part in allowing this party to take this country apart piece by piece...you have no room to call other traitors...when you've disappointed every other Canadian.

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

If any country is invaded or occupied, any civilian can take up arms and fight back like what happens in Europe in the early 40's. You don't have to be in the military to free your country from occupying force.

Your right, it is an honorable thing to do, risk your life for service unto others...and to do it with others that feel the same way, there is no greater brother/ sisterhood you could be apart of, friendships born in combat are not what you've experienced in your life......

I get what Dougie is saying, as i have lived it as well, it is a very ungrateful nation you will be risking life and limb for...a nation that is not concerned what type of equipment or training you receive to do this job, it is after all cheaper to bury Canadians than it is to properly equip and train them. nor will you receive the benefits of a grateful nation...you'll have to be content with a meager pay check and friendships with other great Canadians  ...

[Army Guy]

35 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

How much training it takes to pull a trigger. I didn't mean that I will be a fighter jet pilot or a tank driver but when any country is occupied by enemies civilians forms resistance groups and weaken the enemy from within. Many resistance groups in occupied Europe of this kind helped to bring down Hitler for example.

If only it was that easy, i trained 15 years before going over to Afghanistan and to be in combat for the first time , was i prepared,for most of it, but not all,  sure anyone can pull a trigger, but to look at another human at close range through a C-7/8 sight see their face and then pull that trigger is a whole different ball game...

then walk up to your target to check his medical status only to see the back of his head is missing, his brains are scatter in the dust...search his body for any more weapons or intel, gather your thoughts and then prepare to do it all over again....The sights, smells, tastes, sounds and touch of war will overwhelm all of your senses, we did not train for any of that...that guy still lives in my dreams..Like i said it is a noble cause to fight for something you believe in such as your country, but it is going to take more away from you than your prepared to give...

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

If only it was that easy, i trained 15 years before going over to Afghanistan and to be in combat for the first time , was i prepared,for most of it, but not all,  sure anyone can pull a trigger, but to look at another human at close range through a C-7/8 sight see their face and then pull that trigger is a whole different ball game...

then walk up to your target to check his medical status only to see the back of his head is missing, his brains are scatter in the dust...search his body for any more weapons or intel, gather your thoughts and then prepare to do it all over again....The sights, smells, tastes, sounds and touch of war will overwhelm all of your senses, we did not train for any of that...that guy still lives in my dreams..Like i said it is a noble cause to fight for something you believe in such as your country, but it is going to take more away from you than your prepared to give...

you're only going to do it for the brothers to the left & right of you

all military indoctrination is for the purposes of bonding you to the unit

only the regiment will get you over the top when the whistle blows

only the regiment will come for you in the breach

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

 

me in full dress 

I support your right to wear whatever makes you feel comfortable.

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I support your right to wear whatever makes you feel comfortable.

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3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

I thought it was very democratic....of course i took into consideration that getting shoot with bag of conservative Sh!t would probably kill you...

Yes the fact that you supported a party with a laundry list of scandals', such as lining their own pockets with tax payers money, lying, being deceitful,  i could go on for days...thats were the lacking or moral values comes in...and not just once but 3 times....i mean ya your vote has played a part in allowing this party to take this country apart piece by piece...you have no room to call other traitors...when you've disappointed every other Canadian.

You have no idea who I support, as I have never stated which party I have voted for. I know one thing though. I will not vote Conservative, as long as PP is the leader. I don't trust him.

[CITIZEN_2015]

20 hours ago, Army Guy said:

If only it was that easy, i trained 15 years before going over to Afghanistan and to be in combat for the first time , was i prepared,for most of it, but not all,  sure anyone can pull a trigger, but to look at another human at close range through a C-7/8 sight see their face and then pull that trigger is a whole different ball game...

 

The war in Afghanistan was face to face fighting. You were in combat with an army of enemy on a combat zone, What I was talking about was resistance fight or Guerrilla war between an occupying army and the resistance soldiers in the darkness of night attacking the enemy soldiers with light guns from behind if need be (they are the enemy occupying my country and deserve death). Or blowing up ammunition or vehicles carrying soldiers or opening machine gun on them from a hidden place. Get the hell out of my country if you wish to live.

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The war in Afghanistan was face to face fighting. You were in combat with an army of enemy on a combat zone, What I was talking about was resistance fight or Guerrilla war between an occupying army and the resistance soldiers in the darkness of night attacking the enemy soldiers with light guns from behind if need be (they are the enemy occupying my country and deserve death). Or blowing up ammunition or vehicles carrying soldiers or opening machine gun on them from a hidden place. Get the hell out of my country if you wish to live.

No my friend, Afghanistan, Taliban and other terrorist groups were fighting a guerrilla war with the coalition of NATO forces, to them we were the occupiers....regardless of what type of fighting your doing one thing you can not control is the enemy....it is not always at distance as you suggest....it would have been a lot easier if it had been...one thing is for certain according to Mr murphy law is the uncertainty in warfare... There is no glory in combat only death and destruction...