How long before Hegseth uses the military against American citizens?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, User said:

So, back to the beginning, you just don't give a crap that Laken Riley was murdered and the illegal immigrant who did it should have been deported several times before. 

Nor do you care about all the others who are raped, murdered, or victims of violent crimes. 

Yes. Yes illegal immigrants are breaking the law. The link you provided shows they are breaking the law. We are in a thread talking about an illegal immigrant who murdered Laken Riley. Apparently he didn't get your memo about not bringing more attention to himself. 

Hell, technically, 100% of them are criminals unless you ignore the fact they are here ILLEGALLY. 


 

This is the thing that many democrats just don't understand

You can say what you like, but the only one thing we can be sure about when it comes to an illegal  immigrant is that they have already proven that they are willing to break our laws. We can be 100% sure that they will disregard serious laws if they feel like it. Which means we can't possibly know where they would draw the line and which law is a law too far for them. But they have already proven that they are criminals and that should be enough to assume the worst

[Radiorum]

2 hours ago, Deluge said:

undocumented guest

You're seeing things. I never used the word guest. You okay, man?

2 hours ago, Deluge said:

If that piece of shit Biden and his empty headed VP

When you say things like this, I can't take you seriously. You're obviously ruled by your emotions rather than fact.

2 hours ago, Deluge said:

This is the new way going forward. 

Man the ramparts!

 

[Radiorum]

2 hours ago, User said:

you just don't give a crap that Laken Riley was murdered

What a horrible thing to say. Completely uncalled for.

2 hours ago, User said:

Nor do you care about all the others who are raped, murdered, or victims of violent crimes. 

When you dehumanize your opponent, when you make them into monsters, you are following in Trump's footsteps.

2 hours ago, User said:

Yes illegal immigrants are breaking the law.

And this is being addressed. The Laken Riley Act was passed March 7

Shown Here:
Passed House (03/07/2024)

Laken Riley Act

This bill requires the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to detain certain non-U.S. nationals (aliens under federal law) who have been arrested for burglary, theft, larceny, or shoplifting. The bill also authorizes states to sue the federal government for decisions or alleged failures related to immigration enforcement.

Under this bill, DHS must detain an individual who (1) is unlawfully present in the United States or did not possess the necessary documents when applying for admission; and (2) has been charged with, arrested for, convicted for, or admits to having committed acts that constitute the essential elements of burglary, theft, larceny, or shoplifting.

The bill also authorizes state governments to sue for injunctive relief over certain immigration-related decisions or alleged failures by the federal government if the decision or failure caused the state or its residents harm, including financial harm of more than $100. Specifically, the state government may sue the federal government over a

• decision to release a non-U.S. national from custody;
• failure to fulfill requirements relating to inspecting individuals seeking admission into the United States, including requirements related to asylum interviews;
• failure to fulfill a requirement to stop issuing visas to nationals of a country that unreasonably denies or delays acceptance of nationals of that country;
• violation of limitations on immigration parole, such as the requirement that parole be granted only on a case-by-case basis; or
• failure to detain an individual who has been ordered removed from the United States.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7511

[robosmith]

On 11/24/2024 at 4:31 PM, Radiorum said:

So, you don't think Trump and hegseth is going to move against American citizens?

hegseth is history. He's on his way out doing busy work to deflect until Trump gets someone to replace him.

[User]

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

What a horrible thing to say. Completely uncalled for.

Her murder is horrible and you turned this thread about her death into saying we have been conned. 

Then you go on to make an argument about how illegal immigrants commit less crime per capita than citizens... 

So, clear this up for us then, do you agree that the policies in place to let illegal immigrants go, that were caught committing other criminal acts, is bad?

 

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

When you dehumanize your opponent, when you make them into monsters, you are following in Trump's footsteps.

I did not dehumanize you, but I am glad you feel that way as you are here ignoring her death and others deaths, as if we shouldn't care because illegal immigrants commit less crime per capita. 
 

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

And this is being addressed. The Laken Riley Act was passed March 7

It has died in the Senate judiciary... 

The fact that you keep playing these dumb games is exactly why I sit here saying rightly that you don't give a crap about her death. 

[gatomontes99]

16 hours ago, Radiorum said:

 

 

I think Trump and his minions have used lies to whip people like you up into a frenzy, fabricating an emergency where none exists. You've been conned.

The simple fact is that the undocumented immigrant offending rate is much lower than the native-born citizen rate.

This is one of those "there are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics" situations. Most cities and states dont do a very good job of tracking immigration status for arrests. Texas, however, does. Even with that, it sometimes takes years to get an accurate picture. When we do, this is what it looks like:

Figure 1. Homicide Convictions in Texas per 100K

Figure 2. Sexual Assault Convictions in Texas per 100K

 

https://cis.org/Report/Misuse-Texas-Data-Understates-Illegal-Immigrant-Criminality

Statistics can say whatever you want. All you have to do is drop some data you don't like and, violà, no crime problem.

16 hours ago, Radiorum said:

When surveyed, 77% of Americans say undocumented immigrants mostly do the jobs Americans don't want.

A lot of those jobs pay poorly, have no benefits, no overtime rules, no tax withholding, and no security. And it is that way because illegal aliens can't exactly complain about it. If they weren't here, those jobs would have to conform to our labor laws.

[Deluge]

16 hours ago, Radiorum said:

1. You're seeing things. I never used the word guest. You okay, man?

2. When you say things like this, I can't take you seriously. You're obviously ruled by your emotions rather than fact.

3. Man the ramparts!

 

1. I'm going to call bullshit on that one. You've got "undocumented guest" written all over you. I'm sure there've been dozens of times during your silly left-wing rants that you said "undocumented guest". lol

2. Well don't just stand there with your thumb up your ass, prove me wrong.  

3. And end leftism! 

[Radiorum]

16 hours ago, robosmith said:

hegseth is history. He's on his way out doing busy work to deflect until Trump gets someone to replace him.

There's reporting that Trump is considering replacing Hegseth with Ron DeSantis

"I think some of these articles are very disturbing," Republican Senator Lindsey Graham told CBS on Tuesday. "He obviously has a chance to defend himself here, but some of this stuff is going to be difficult."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr564zd43l9o

 

Edited December 5, 2024 by Radiorum

[NAME REMOVED]

4 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

There's reporting the Trump is considering replacing Hegseth with Ron DeSantis

"I think some of these articles are very disturbing," Republican Senator Lindsey Graham told CBS on Tuesday. "He obviously has a chance to defend himself here, but some of this stuff is going to be difficult."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr564zd43l9o

 

From bad to worse....

[Radiorum]

4 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

ttps://cis.org/Report/Misuse-Texas-Data-Understates-Illegal-Immigrant-Criminality

Statistics can say whatever you want. All you have to do is drop some data you don't like and, violà, no crime problem.

A quick look at the website shows it is not an objective organization, but pro-Trump and anti-Biden, very right-wing

So, I would take any conclusion they make with a grain of salt.

 

[gatomontes99]

19 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

A quick look at the website shows it is not an objective organization, but pro-Trump and anti-Biden, very right-wing

So, I would take any conclusion they make with a grain of salt.

 

The data comes from Texas DPS.

Quote

Sources: Texas DPS (convictions), CMS (illegal population), and ACS (overall population).

It takes a bias to reality to find the reality.

Try the smell test. We know NYC, San Fran, Chicago and more are not reporting immigration status at arrest. If the status isn't being reported, how can the data, that supports this idea that illegal aliens are model citizens, be valid? It can't. The data does not discern who is and isn't an illegal alien in many large sections. Further, we know from Texas' data that even when an effort is made to report the immigration status, it takes a considerable amount of time to get complete and accurate data.

You may consider the website to have a lean to it, but you can't refute it's facts. The data is accurate.

[User]

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

There's reporting that Trump is considering replacing Hegseth with Ron DeSantis

You guys need to keep up. Hegseth has done a full interview with Megan Kelly answering all these anonymous charges and Grahm has since come out and said no anonymous sources, that if someone wants to come forward and raise their hand under oath, then he will listen to them. 

[Radiorum]

To sum up, I must make plain: No-one - and I mean no-one - supports illegal immigration.

To say otherwise is to twist the truth.

But - the way to go is not to demonize and dehumanize segments of humanity.

We've seen how that worked out in the past.

[Black Dog]

Why are we talking about immigration in a thread about a drunk woman abuser?

Hesgeth promises to stop drinking if confirmed

One thing about raging alcoholics is that they can always be trusted to keep their word about quitting. This piece of shit doesn't deserve to run a Arby's let alone be SecDef.

[User]

7 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Why are we talking about immigration in a thread about a drunk woman abuser?

Hesgeth promises to stop drinking if confirmed

One thing about raging alcoholics is that they can always be trusted to keep their word about quitting. This piece of shit doesn't deserve to run a Arby's let alone be SecDef.

What do you base any of this on?

 

[NAME REMOVED]

7 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Why are we talking about immigration in a thread about a drunk woman abuser?

 

The MAGA hyenas are trying to derail many threads, in favour of immigration. They tried that with the thread about US Health Insurance. It was not a success. 

[Deluge]

20 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

To sum up, I must make plain: No-one - and I mean no-one - supports illegal immigration.

Except for the democrats, and maybe the RINO's. 

[Radiorum]

15 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

esgeth promises to stop drinking if confirmed

One thing about raging alcoholics is that they can always be trusted to keep their word about quitting. This piece of shit doesn't deserve to run a Arby's let alone be SecDef.

OMG, Lol, that is too funny! "Let me run the entire US military! I'll quit drinking! Really, I will. Pinky promise!"

[CdnFox]

18 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

To sum up, I must make plain: No-one - and I mean no-one - supports illegal immigration.

To say otherwise is to twist the truth.

But - the way to go is not to demonize and dehumanize segments of humanity.

We've seen how that worked out in the past.

That is not true. There are many many people who believe that what we call illegal immigration now should not be illegal and further that those who did break the law have done nothing wrong and should be allowed to stay.   There are many - and i mean MANY - who support legal immigration. 

And that even includes the current administration. 

The Economic Benefits of Extending Permanent Legal Status to Unauthorized Immigrants | CEA | The White House

 

[Deluge]

4 hours ago, Radiorum said:

A quick look at the website shows it is not an objective organization, but pro-Trump and anti-Biden, very right-wing

So, I would take any conclusion they make with a grain of salt.

 

Then what a great opportunity to step in and shed some light on that link.  

[User]

31 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

To sum up, I must make plain: No-one - and I mean no-one - supports illegal immigration.

To say otherwise is to twist the truth.

This is an outright lie. Democrats push sanctuary cities and policies to oppose the deportation of illegal immigrants, those on the left fund humanitarian organizations that work on the border to help facilitate illegal immigrants evading capture and giving them refuge.

You even have folks on the left like AOC outright saying we should abolish ICE for crying out loud. 

Edited December 5, 2024 by User

[Radiorum]

22 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

nd that even includes the current administration. 

The Economic Benefits of Extending Permanent Legal Status to Unauthorized Immigrants | CEA | The White House

 

After reading that, I am more sold than ever on providing a legal channel for illegal immigrants, and get them out of “a life in the shadows.” The economic and humanitarian benefits are huge.

I am interested in your comments on the following quotes from the link:

However, granting permanent legal status would also likely raise tax revenues, increase productivity, and have additional benefits for the children of these immigrants, generating substantial economic value for the country.  

For example, around one-half of workers in the U.S. dairy industry—which in 2018 paid between $11 and $13 an hour for general labor—are immigrants, most of whom are thought to be unauthorized.[4] Without legal status, unauthorized immigrants have limited opportunities for job mobility, a key channel by which other workers find better, more productive employment matches over their careers.

evidence from prior legalizations in the United States and in other countries suggests that legalization also encourages immigrants to improve their language skills, induces them to complete additional education and training, and improves their health outcomes, all of which make them more productive members of society

 

 

Let’s just keep hate out of the equation.

 

[User]

40 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

OMG, Lol, that is too funny! "Let me run the entire US military! I'll quit drinking! Really, I will. Pinky promise!"

Democrats: Push anonymous lies about his drinking, make drinking a major issue to oppose him on. 

Hegseth: I am a veteran who returned from combat and had drinks like other veterans do, I have grown since then and changed. I vow I won't have a drop on the job just to make sure you know you don't even have to worry about it ever being too much. 

Democrats: OMG!!!!! How absurd for him to say he won't drink!!!!! 

Damned no matter what he does or says... 

[Black Dog]

13 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

After reading that, I am more sold than ever on providing a legal channel for illegal immigrants, and get them out of “a life in the shadows.” The economic and humanitarian benefits are huge.

Indeed if one is concerned about illegal immigration, then making legal immigration easier seems to be an obvious solution.

[Black Dog]

4 minutes ago, User said:

Democrats: Push anonymous lies about his drinking, make drinking a major issue to oppose him on. 

Hegseth: I am a veteran who returned from combat and had drinks like other veterans do, I have grown since then and changed. I vow I won't have a drop on the job just to make sure you know you don't even have to worry about it ever being too much. 

Democrats: OMG!!!!! How absurd for him to say he won't drink!!!!! 

Damned no matter what he does or says... 

Yes drunks tend not to get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their drinking.