WestCanMan Posted November 12, 2024 Report Posted November 12, 2024 34 minutes ago, User said: So do you agree that NATO is not a threat? 100% Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
User Posted November 12, 2024 Report Posted November 12, 2024 8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: 100% 100% you agree NATO is not a threat, or are they 100% a threat? Quote
CdnFox Posted November 12, 2024 Report Posted November 12, 2024 I heard a rumor today, but I haven't been able to substantiate mind you, that trump Was planning to offer Putin 20% of his gains. In other words he keeps 20% of what he took and the war is over. Obviously there would be other details surrounding that but I think Russia is going to have to live with Ukraine being armed whether it's part of NATO or not. It strikes me as a pretty fair deal for zelensky To get back 80% and have some sort of deal for future armaments to prevent another incursion and have the war finally over. And it gives Vlad a little face saving so he can go back to his people and say that the war wasn't a complete waste of lives and money. Regardless of how the war started, at this point in time it's definitely to Russia's advantage and to Ukraine's advantage to put an end to it. And the western forces have gotten just about everything they're going to get out of it, they've given away all of their old stuff and now they're forced to actually give over new production which costs a hell of a lot more money and they're not going to hurt Russia much more than they already have so there's less and less incentive for the allies to see this continue. Hopefully for everyone's sake this conflict can come to an end early in 2025 Quote
WestCanMan Posted November 12, 2024 Report Posted November 12, 2024 2 hours ago, User said: 100% you agree NATO is not a threat, or are they 100% a threat? NATO is 100% a threat. It was a defensive alliance until it wasn't. 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
User Posted November 12, 2024 Report Posted November 12, 2024 10 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: NATO is 100% a threat. It was a defensive alliance until it wasn't. OK, so stop trying to say it is from the Russian POV when it is you who believe this and you who are arguing this. Quote
WestCanMan Posted November 12, 2024 Report Posted November 12, 2024 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Trump Was planning to offer Putin 20% of his gains. Russia pushed Ukraine west to the point where there are natural geographical obstacles to a NATO push back eastwards, such as the Dnipro river, and I don't know why Putin would give that up now. That new territory also gives them a buffer zone between mainland Ukraine and Crimea. I'd tell Trump to pound sand if I was Putin. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
CdnFox Posted November 12, 2024 Report Posted November 12, 2024 (edited) 8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Russia pushed Ukraine west to the point where there are natural geographical obstacles to a NATO push back eastwards, such as the Dnipro river, and I don't know why Putin would give that up now. Well first off in this day and age natural barriers such as a river are really not barriers at all. It's not as hard to force a crossing as it was say 100 years ago or even 50 years ago. And with drone strikes cruise missiles and unbelievably accurate artillery and Hmar's It's at best a nice feature to have rather than a serious deterrent. There are plenty of other geographic features which are even worse for the attacker. Second off the war is bleeding Russia dry. If it ended right this second it would still have a crippling effect on them for many years to come. This is only going to get worse. They obviously can't win a war like this so it has to end some way. The manpower issue alone is starting to severely impact Russia and will continue to have a severe negative impact on their economy. As I understand it the Kremlin has forbidden to do another round of conscription and at the rate they're going they're going to run out of men soon. I suspect that's one of the reasons the did a deal with Korea, but from the reports I've read those soldiers aren't doing terribly well. So maintaining this war is going to become challenging And on top of the geography he may get some other concessions such as The Ukraine not officially joining NATO or the like. If the war continues then Putin and the Kremlin run a very real risk of public unrest becoming severe and of resources running out to the point where they can't continue the offensive. Germany is already talking about sending their more sophisticated long-range cruise missiles with permission to use them as they see fit. The Russian attacks recently have been devastating losses. At some point he needs this to end. Quote I'd tell Trump to pound sand if I was Putin. He would probably not have to wait too long to regret that. Edited November 12, 2024 by CdnFox Quote
User Posted November 12, 2024 Report Posted November 12, 2024 8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Russia pushed Ukraine west to the point where there are natural geographical obstacles to a NATO push back eastwards, such as the Dnipro river, and I don't know why Putin would give that up now. That new territory also gives them a buffer zone between mainland Ukraine and Crimea. I'd tell Trump to pound sand if I was Putin. So much for you being Mr Peace. Quote
WestCanMan Posted November 12, 2024 Report Posted November 12, 2024 2 minutes ago, User said: OK, so stop trying to say it is from the Russian POV when it is you who believe this and you who are arguing this. NATO is a threat to Russia, period. It wasn't just West German kids who were learning nuclear, biological and chemical defence in elementary school when NATO and the Warsaw Pact were facing off in Germany, the East German children were taking those classes as well. The Iranians don't consider themselves the bad guys. They feel like they're liberating heroes. The Iranians feel like islam is good and Judaism is bad, just like you think that democracy is good and communism is bad. Say what you want about communism, but were Biden and the Dems any better than Putin for the last 4 years? Control of the MSM - equal Control of the federal police force - equal Misuse of the judiciary - equal Election malfeasance - slight edge to Putin Control of the Supreme Court - edge Putin, but Biden has been working corrupting the SC for 4 years now 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
User Posted November 12, 2024 Report Posted November 12, 2024 5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: NATO is a threat to Russia, period. Sure... such a huge threat that Russia is just fine with them on their border in other countries. What exactly makes them a threat to Russia, that Russia has to invade Ukraine to stop it from possibly joining NATO? Quote
WestCanMan Posted November 12, 2024 Report Posted November 12, 2024 5 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Well first off in this day and age natural barriers such as a river are really not barriers at all. It's not as hard to force a crossing as it was say 100 years ago or even 50 years ago. And with drone strikes cruise missiles and unbelievably accurate artillery and Hmar's It's at best a nice feature to have rather than a serious deterrent. There are plenty of other geographic features which are even worse for the attacker. Natural barriers will always be a bonus. Sometimes it means that maritime forces will have to coordinate with other units, it restricts the ability of an enemy to use heavy armoured units, sometimes it gives to longer lines of sight, better locations for radar installations and rockets, and units on top of a rock will always have the advantage when shooting down on other soldiers. Then there's the added bonus of "defending one's own territory" as opposed to being an invader. It just doesn't look as bad if you use thermobaric bombs, cluster bombs, and other unpopular weapons to defend your own territory as it does to use them against invaders. Quote Second off the war is bleeding Russia dry. If it ended right this second it would still have a crippling effect on them for many years to come. This is only going to get worse. Even more reason for Russia to hold valuable territory. Quote He would probably not have to wait too long to regret that. I don't think that Trump wants to escalate. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
WestCanMan Posted November 12, 2024 Report Posted November 12, 2024 1 minute ago, User said: What exactly makes them a threat to Russia, The fact that they have always been a threat to Russia. As a member of a NATO navy, I never saw any recognition briefings about Chinese or North Korean ships or planes. We never talked about the possibility of war with those countries. We were like the Dems: Russia! Russia! Russia! We learned to recognize the Kirov, Kiev, Kresga 1, 2 and 3, Sovremny, etc, etc. There was even a KGB spy ship whose name I can't remember. I couldn't even name a single Chinese or North Korean ship from the era I served in. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
User Posted November 12, 2024 Report Posted November 12, 2024 4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: The fact that they have always been a threat to Russia. This is circular. How have they always been a threat to Russia? 5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: As a member of a NATO navy, I never saw any recognition briefings about Chinese or North Korean ships or planes. We never talked about the possibility of war with those countries. We were like the Dems: Russia! Russia! Russia! We learned to recognize the Kirov, Kiev, Kresga 1, 2 and 3, Sovremny, etc, etc. There was even a KGB spy ship whose name I can't remember. I couldn't even name a single Chinese or North Korean ship from the era I served in. LOL Quote
CdnFox Posted November 13, 2024 Report Posted November 13, 2024 40 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Natural barriers will always be a bonus. Sometimes it means that maritime forces will have to coordinate with other units, it restricts the ability of an enemy to use heavy armoured units, sometimes it gives to longer lines of sight, better locations for radar installations and rockets, and units on top of a rock will always have the advantage when shooting down on other soldiers. I doubt very much that Putin particularly cares about optics, but sure it's great to have territory that you can Build lots of deterrence on. That's true regardless of the natural terrain. As you say it's a bit of a bonus but really not that much. There are plenty of places further back that could be fortified just as easily. And at the end of the day if the allies do decide to step in he could lose all of that and far worse. Not to mention the fact that none of those natural deterrents are going to stop the cruise missiles flying overhead and striking inside Russia which is what's going to happen soon with germany having agreed to turn over some pretty nasty ordinance with no conditions. So a compromise solution might be to his advantage Quote Even more reason for Russia to hold valuable territory. Yes but an even better reason why they can't. They can't keep this up. This is bleeding and destroying their country. And if push comes to shove and the ukrainians are getting long range weapons in the rights to use them this could get worse really fast for Russia. Not to mention the possibility of America or the allies stepping in now that North Korea is involved. They might want to hold on to that territory but I don't know that that's going to be a realistic possibility for them. Quote I don't think that Trump wants to escalate. I don't think he wants to, but I'm not a million percent sure he's opposed to it and he's not the only one thinking about it. A number of NATO allies have mentioned that they are willing to consider sending troops in if this continues given the fact that the North Koreans are there. The way things are right now a couple of battalions of well-trained well-equipped nATO troops would be all it would take to start to throw the Russians back under very favorable circumstances. Only the weakend state of the Ukraine is what's keeping Russia from not losing right now. I don't think it would take much to talk germany into it. I don't think France would be too terribly far behind So he has to consider that. 20% of what he's got and the new border recognized by all countries and confirmation of the chrimea might be a very sweet deal for him rather than risking losing it all and having the war escalate and having him dealing with the repercussions of that. He's not in a great position. He was actually in a better position to negotiate last year but who's going to give up when you're facing Biden? The people are bulking at paying his new taxes, the Kremlin is bulking at another round of prescription and he's running out of men. The soldiers from North Korea are not proving to be terrible useful. Need a Weaponry may be available shortly that will allow them to strike any oil depot, any power generation station, any bridge anywhere inside Russia regardless of their defenses. The economy is slowing down and taking a brutal hit. The embargoes are starting to seriously hurt their economy as well. This can't go on forever and Russia is in no position to continue hostilities and definitely. I think he would be under a great deal of pressure to take the win of 20% provided it also ended all embargoes, and especially if there were limitations on ukraine actually joining NATO. Quote
NAME REMOVED Posted November 13, 2024 Author Report Posted November 13, 2024 2 hours ago, WestCanMan said: NATO is a threat to Russia, period. It wasn't just West German kids who were learning nuclear, biological and chemical defence in elementary school when NATO and the Warsaw Pact were facing off in Germany, the East German children were taking those classes as well. The Iranians don't consider themselves the bad guys. They feel like they're liberating heroes. The Iranians feel like islam is good and Judaism is bad, just like you think that democracy is good and communism is bad. Say what you want about communism, but were Biden and the Dems any better than Putin for the last 4 years? Control of the MSM - equal Control of the federal police force - equal Misuse of the judiciary - equal Election malfeasance - slight edge to Putin Control of the Supreme Court - edge Putin, but Biden has been working corrupting the SC for 4 years now How does it feel to be a traitor to your country? 2 hours ago, WestCanMan said: The fact that they have always been a threat to Russia. As a member of a NATO navy, I never saw any recognition briefings about Chinese or North Korean ships or planes. We never talked about the possibility of war with those countries. We were like the Dems: Russia! Russia! Russia! We learned to recognize the Kirov, Kiev, Kresga 1, 2 and 3, Sovremny, etc, etc. There was even a KGB spy ship whose name I can't remember. I couldn't even name a single Chinese or North Korean ship from the era I served in. Of course you did not. The Canadian military was intelligent enough to see you for who you were. A low ranking nobody, who if given the chance, would sellout Canadian military secrets to the highest bidder. Quote
WestCanMan Posted November 13, 2024 Report Posted November 13, 2024 13 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: How does it feel to be a traitor to your country? As if you don't know. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
WestCanMan Posted November 13, 2024 Report Posted November 13, 2024 15 hours ago, CdnFox said: So a compromise solution might be to his advantage Sure, but giving up 80% of the territory gained isn't "a compromise", it's basically capitulation. They lost a lot of solders to get that far, they can't just give it up. Quote Yes but an even better reason why they can't. They can't keep this up. This is bleeding and destroying their country. And if push comes to shove and the ukrainians are getting long range weapons in the rights to use them this could get worse really fast for Russia. Russia has always had long-range weapons. If Ukrainians start bombing Russian targets this will blow up to a crazy level. It's insane to even talk about this. Quote Not to mention the possibility of America or the allies stepping in now that North Korea is involved. That's not happening. Are you seriously saying that we should have let this war go on for so long while doing nothing, and then just pull a massive escalation this late in the game? Quote They might want to hold on to that territory but I don't know that that's going to be a realistic possibility for them. I can't imagine why they wouldn't want to hold that territory. Can you? Quote I don't think he wants to, but I'm not a million percent sure he's opposed to it and he's not the only one thinking about it. A number of NATO allies have mentioned that they are willing to consider sending troops in if this continues given the fact that the North Koreans are there. I guess that you and I have vastly differing opinions about Trump's interest in escalating this war. He's never been about starting wars, or getting involved in wars that he doesn't have to, or escalating wars, and getting NATO into a hot war with Russia is something that probably even Hillary wouldn't do. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
User Posted November 13, 2024 Report Posted November 13, 2024 26 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: If Ukrainians start bombing Russian targets this will blow up to a crazy level. It's insane to even talk about this. Sure dude... https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-drone-attacks-russian-oil-refineries-infrastructure-2024-06-18/ Quote
WestCanMan Posted November 13, 2024 Report Posted November 13, 2024 14 minutes ago, User said: Sure dude... https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-drone-attacks-russian-oil-refineries-infrastructure-2024-06-18/ So if you had to choose right now, do you want the war to escalate or to end? Because it seems like you're really eager for expansion right now. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
Five of swords Posted November 13, 2024 Report Posted November 13, 2024 On 11/10/2024 at 7:15 PM, DUI_Offender said: The above topic is by definition, false and misleading. Expert Comment: This is no proxy war - Russia really invaded Ukraine In the year since, I have reviewed evidence for the Russian action, such as exists. With hindsight, what seemed like the ramblings of madmen, which appeared before the invasion, seem remarkably prescient. And they can now be perceived as predictors of the invasion – although absolutely not excuses for it. Any ‘excuse’ for the Russian attack on Ukraine – because it felt threatened – should be viewed with the lens of history. That was the same reason given by Hitler, for the invasion of half of Europe Any ‘excuse’ for the Russian attack on Ukraine – because it felt threatened – should be viewed with the lens of history. That was the same reason given by Hitler, for the invasion of half of Europe. He was only protecting the Germans in the Sudetenland. Austrians speak German, anyway. He was only defending against the Polish attack on the radio transmitter in Gleiwitz… And the suggestion Ukraine should accept ‘terms’ – and Putin be allowed to walk away with a fifth of the country, having laid waste to cities with clear evidence of war crimes – can be viewed in the same way. Imagine, if the Allies had sued for peace in 1943, and agreed Hitler should be allowed to keep what he had conquered to 'stop the killing'. Plus, Ukrainians will never accept to surrender and it is they who have the agency in this war; they decide. This is no proxy war, with NATO and the Soviets pitched against each other behind the scenes in the remote tropics as happened during the Cold War or as is currently happening in Yemen, where different Middle East factions fund the fighting done by others. This is a real war. Russia really invaded Ukraine and it really has bombed real civilians, real hospitals and real infrastructure. Between a third to half a million people have already been killed or maimed, in just 12 months. There is nothing proxy about it for either side. This is no proxy war, with NATO and the Soviets pitched against each other behind the scenes...This is a real war. Russia really invaded Ukraine and it really has bombed real civilians, real hospitals and real infrastructure To return to the evidence, three months before the invasion, one of Putin’s longest-standing and closest advisers, Vladislav Surkov, former deputy prime minister, dark celebrity, sometime playwright and novelist, wrote a bizarre article which he published in an online current affairs magazine. It was strange commentary on the second law of thermodynamics, as it applies to nation states. Essentially, Surkov, who has no current official role, used Physics to claim countries have to deal with internal ‘tensions’ through external ‘expansion’, like a gas escaping a closed chamber – ie through war. In doing so, they would transfer internal entropy – disorder and chaos - beyond the nation’s borders. It seemed at the time to be mad ramblings. He repeated this, though, just nine days before the invasion in a further article, talking about how it was necessary to expand outwards, 'For Russia, constant expansion is not just one of the ideas, but the true existential of our historical existence. Russia will expand not because it is good, and not because it is bad, but because it is physics.' Now, the ‘fog of war’ has actually made clear these comments were writing on the wall. Another clear indication of intent came from Putin himself, all the way back in 2016. When presenting a national prize for Geography [he is Chairman of the Russian Geographical Society], he asked one of the youngest award winners to say where Russia’s borders end. The young boy began to answer, when Putin interrupted him with a smile and said, ‘Russia’s borders never end.’ The audience was uncertain whether to laugh or applaud. It was safest to do the latter. A third piece of evidence I have seen is a Russian post-invasion plan – Action plan: to create a system of control over economic and political processes in Ukraine – setting out a rough five page-long sketch of how it was going to happen. The strangest thing about the plan is how insubstantial and very basic it was. Both the Kremlin’s political and military plans have been proved horribly wrong, of course, since the invasion did not go according to plan and now something over 90% of the Russian army is in Ukraine. What is strange, though, is that it is all about controlling the territory and very little about assets. The invasion was not about seizing valuable resources or material gains. There are none left when the Russians reach them. It is more about ephemeral prestige, power, control, even more than a land grab. You do not bomb the largest steel mills to smithereens in order to obtain them. The invasion was not about seizing valuable resources or material gains. There are none left when the Russians reach them. It is more about ephemeral prestige, power, control...You do not bomb the largest steel mills to smithereens in order to obtain them Some claim Russia was goaded into acting by the threat of NATO expansion. But Putin himself said in 2004 that 'Russia has no concerns about the expansion of NATO from the standpoint of ensuring security'. Russia, after all, has a massive nuclear arsenal and has no reason to fear any adversary. What is the purpose of nuclear weapons then? In addition, several countries bordering Russia, including Finland and the Baltic States are already entering the alliance, with not a murmur from Moscow. Plus, with modern hi-tech weapons, no country needs actually to border another, for there to be a threat – as Britain has discovered from the threats of Russian TV pundits, who delight in telling us how London could be wiped out in ten minutes. So where does the war go from here? History tells us, you cannot appease a dictator. History also tells us Russia will not abide by an agreement. In 1994, Ukraine handed over its – third largest – nuclear weapons arsenal to Russia (as a long-term nuclear power) in exchange for security assurances from the US, the UK and…er Russia. So where does the war go from here? History tells us, you cannot appease a dictator. History also tells us Russia will not abide by an agreement...Fake pacifists who call for Ukraine to...‘come to terms’ with Russia are, in effect, aiding and abetting the criminal invasion of a sovereign nation and suggesting war criminals go unpunished Fake pacifists who call for Ukraine to sue for peace, or ‘come to terms’ with Russia, are in effect aiding and abetting the criminal invasion of a sovereign nation and suggesting war criminals go unpunished. But, even were that to happen, there would be no reason for Russia to obey any conditions laid down in a deal and the evidence suggests quite the opposite. After all, who will be there to force the Kremlin to live up to the letter of the law? The war can end in two ways. Western weapons can allow Ukraine to threaten Russia’s continuing war effort to such an extent that Putin is replaced as the leader – effectively a coup. The alternative would be for Putin to declare ‘victory’ now, as it is, and step down quietly, leaving a new administration to negotiate peace. source; https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2023-02-21-expert-comment-no-proxy-war-russia-really-invaded-ukraine It is amazing how stupid and wrong the history was in this. Hitler obtained sudenteland without any conflict, actually. He invaded poland because poland has occupied danzig. And he invaded france because France declared war on Germany. When a country declares war on you, then you don't need an 'excuse' to invade their country. And when Germany conquered France, he did not make it part of germany...he set up Vichy france...because he had zero interest in ruling over French people Quote
WestCanMan Posted November 13, 2024 Report Posted November 13, 2024 10 minutes ago, Five of swords said: he had zero interest in ruling over French people The whole 3rd reich thing was just fake news, right? Just like the holocaust? What else was fake? Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
Five of swords Posted November 13, 2024 Report Posted November 13, 2024 22 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: The whole 3rd reich thing was just fake news, right? Just like the holocaust? What else was fake? Huh? The 3rd Reich was german. It wasn't french. Quote
CdnFox Posted November 13, 2024 Report Posted November 13, 2024 2 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Sure, but giving up 80% of the territory gained isn't "a compromise", it's basically capitulation. They lost a lot of solders to get that far, they can't just give it up. Russia has always had long-range weapons. If Ukrainians start bombing Russian targets this will blow up to a crazy level. It's insane to even talk about this. That's not happening. Are you seriously saying that we should have let this war go on for so long while doing nothing, and then just pull a massive escalation this late in the game? I can't imagine why they wouldn't want to hold that territory. Can you? I guess that you and I have vastly differing opinions about Trump's interest in escalating this war. He's never been about starting wars, or getting involved in wars that he doesn't have to, or escalating wars, and getting NATO into a hot war with Russia is something that probably even Hillary wouldn't do. Well obviously I can't argue that it's to Putin's Advantage not to give up an inch more territory than he needs to. And if in fact trump is suggesting that 20% is what he should keep then obviously that's up from negotiation. And like I said I think it'll depend on more than just the land. With the deal also includes limits to Ukraine's access to Nato Hardware or the like putin may decide suddenly that it's not a bad deal Sure, Russia has always had long range weapons and has used them extensively to harm Ukrainian infrastructure and kill civilians. But ukrainians have not been able to retaliate in kind, either because they did not have the weapons or because they were not given permission to use the weapons inside Russia. It will now be receiving far better weapons and permission to use them inside Russia. Ukraine has already started bombing Russian targets. They've already started to hit shipyards and military bases and bridges and other infrastructure. And how will Russia escalate? Unless they're prepared to go to nukes, which will mean the end of their country, there's not much more than they can do. As to intervening, it wouldn't have been considered before the north korean troops were fighting actively in the war rather than just countries supporting it. That does open that door. France is already talking about it. And no I can't imagine why they wouldn't want to hold on to that territory, but I severely question whether or not they will be able to. Militarily they are coming to the end of their strength. There's no more troops to recruit, the North Koreans don't seem to be doing very well and I doubt he'll get many more of them, the gear is old and the troops are unmotivated and they're getting injured or killed at an insane rate. I don't know that Russia actually has the ability to continue this conflict at its current pace for even another year. As far as trump goes he is very anti-warp and rightly so. He will look for any way to resolve this that doesn't involve military conflict if possible. But he has not been afraid in the past to pull the trigger if that's what needs to happen. And I think that this is what Vlad is going to get presented with. Here's a sweetheart deal with all kinds of trade stuff and keep some territory and we'll give you these concessions and so on and so forth and the war is over or I will make your life miserable beyond belief and Russia will suffer. Or something to that end. Quote
WestCanMan Posted November 13, 2024 Report Posted November 13, 2024 12 minutes ago, Five of swords said: Huh? The 3rd Reich was german. It wasn't french. Right, but there were 2 "reichs" before it. They considered their new empire to be a 3rd edition of the Holy Roman Empire/Carolingian Empire. A "3rd Reich". Hitler absolutely wanted to rule over all of Europe. It was just a matter of gathering it all in bite-sized pieces. Eliminating the French army was a step, which they completed, but completely ruling over all of the French people was another step, which was left to be accomplished later on. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
WestCanMan Posted November 13, 2024 Report Posted November 13, 2024 (edited) 28 minutes ago, CdnFox said: And no I can't imagine why they wouldn't want to hold on to that territory, Why did they take in the first place then? Just to kill people and flatten cities? Quote but I severely question whether or not they will be able to. They already took it. Quote Militarily they are coming to the end of their strength. Militarily Ukraine is even worse off, so how could they win it back? With a long-range bombing campaign? Edited November 13, 2024 by WestCanMan Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
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