Canada cuts aid to Palestine

[GostHacked]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

Canada is cutting aid and relations with the Palestinian Authority, Ottawa announced shortly after the Hamas government formally took power Wednesday.

The decision, which makes Canada the first country besides Israel to cut off aid.

Hammas is officialy IN, and aid is officially OUT. So now what? I thought we were commited to peace. Even a democraticly elected Palestinian Government should be recognized right?

Question, who recognizes Palestine's right to exist?

So I say, to be fair, we cut aid to Isreal (if we do send them aid) Only to be fair. This is for sure showing some bias on the Canadian Government. The only other country to cut aid to Palestine is Israel. I am guessing they do not recognize their right to exist. And Israel has stated they will define their borders with or without Palestine's help.

I think this was a hastey reaction to the situation and overall does not help anything. Wondering how you all think/feel of this situation.

[geoffrey]

We have no problem sending aid to Palestine, just to Hamas who's entire mission is to eradicate Jews and Israel.

None of my money to them thanks. You could probably donate if you wanted to though, probably use the same channels where you can legally donate to the "harmless" Tamil Tigers.

We are committed to peace by showing the Palestinian people that a terrorist government will not be tolerated. Maybe they'll get some sense when they realise they are poor and elect a government that wants peace and not genocide.

[Montgomery Burns]

Just another reason why I am feeling proud to be Canadian these days.

Link:

[MacKay]: "The stated platform of this government has not addressed the concerns raised by Canada and others concerning non-violence, the recognition of Israel, and acceptance of previous agreements and obligations, including the Roadmap for Peace. As a result, Canada will have no contact with the members of the Hamas cabinet and is suspending assistance to the Palestinian Authority."

MacKay added that the new government must make a “clear commitment” to peace before Canada will end the diplomatic freeze.

Great news. These displaced Arabs constantly use aid to finance their terror operations. The majority of these displaced Arabs belong to a death cult.

Gosthacked, cut the UN crap (they recently had a map of "Palestine" covering the democratic Israel at a recent UN conference). There is no country called Palestine. Trust me on this.

[newbie]

There is no country called Palestine. Trust me on this.

I take it you would accept the State of Palestine?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine

[geoffrey]

Cuba and Nicuargua are the only North American countries that recognize that newbie. It is not a state, nation or anything else.

The UN agrees with me too.

[JerrySeinfeld]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

Canada is cutting aid and relations with the Palestinian Authority, Ottawa announced shortly after the Hamas government formally took power Wednesday.

The decision, which makes Canada the first country besides Israel to cut off aid.

Hammas is officialy IN, and aid is officially OUT. So now what? I thought we were commited to peace. Even a democraticly elected Palestinian Government should be recognized right?

Question, who recognizes Palestine's right to exist?

So I say, to be fair, we cut aid to Isreal (if we do send them aid) Only to be fair. This is for sure showing some bias on the Canadian Government. The only other country to cut aid to Palestine is Israel. I am guessing they do not recognize their right to exist. And Israel has stated they will define their borders with or without Palestine's help.

I think this was a hastey reaction to the situation and overall does not help anything. Wondering how you all think/feel of this situation.

F*ck buddy.

Hamas is a terrorist organization.

[idealisttotheend]

Hamas is indeed a terrorist organization. But then so is the IRA but in that instance the so called political wing was brought in to the fold not isolated. So far the results in that area of the world seems to be pretty good vis a vie the British withdrawl and not having a lot (any?) of terrorist activity. It makes no sense to completly reject the democratic will of a people, impoversh them further and then turn around and claim to stand for peace. Canada generally knows and acts better.

Remember, a man with a full belly and secure domicile is much less likely to strap explosives to himself and blow him up at some soon to be forgoten checkpoint then a starving man.

Finally, you have to realize that Hamas does and has supplied much of the public services in Palestine. There is a reason they won that election besides the fact that Palestinians don't like Israels.

Anyway, the Arab world will supply the Palestinans with all the aid they just lost from the Western world so you accomplish nothing but to cut yourself off from an opportunity to "normalize" Hamas into something other than a terrorist organization.

[Montgomery Burns]

Idealist to the end, indeed.

Hamas is a terrorist organization. Their stated goal is to drive the democratic Israelis into the sea.

The IRA never came close to the terror that the displaced Arabs cause.

This death cult voted a terrorist organization into power.

It is absolutely disgusting the way the left sucks up to these terrorists. :angry:

[GostHacked]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

Canada is cutting aid and relations with the Palestinian Authority, Ottawa announced shortly after the Hamas government formally took power Wednesday.

The decision, which makes Canada the first country besides Israel to cut off aid.

Hammas is officialy IN, and aid is officially OUT. So now what? I thought we were commited to peace. Even a democraticly elected Palestinian Government should be recognized right?

Question, who recognizes Palestine's right to exist?

So I say, to be fair, we cut aid to Isreal (if we do send them aid) Only to be fair. This is for sure showing some bias on the Canadian Government. The only other country to cut aid to Palestine is Israel. I am guessing they do not recognize their right to exist. And Israel has stated they will define their borders with or without Palestine's help.

I think this was a hastey reaction to the situation and overall does not help anything. Wondering how you all think/feel of this situation.

F*ck buddy.

Hamas is a terrorist organization.

Another fabulous post Monty. Thanks for your opinion.

[GostHacked]

Idealist to the end, indeed.

Hamas is a terrorist organization. Their stated goal is to drive the democratic Israelis into the sea.

The IRA never came close to the terror that the displaced Arabs cause.

This death cult voted a terrorist organization into power.

It is absolutely disgusting the way the left sucks up to these terrorists. :angry:

OK fine, play it that way. That is something I EXPECT from the right.

An elected government. Weather you like it or not, the Palestinians voted Hamas in. Now you have to deal with it. Diplomaticly.

Seems like Israel will push the Palestinians to the sea before that happens. I mean with all that support from the US. And considering the sizes of both countries at the start of the century to what they are now dot dot dot. . .

idealist

'Remember, a man with a full belly and secure domicile is much less likely to strap explosives to himself and blow him up at some soon to be forgoten checkpoint then a starving man'

I very much like this statement.

[Guest Warwick Green]

Canada is cutting aid and relations with the Palestinian Authority, Ottawa announced shortly after the Hamas government formally took power Wednesday.

Imagine if we were still governed by the Martinites. We would be farting around forever on the issue. I like Harper's approach to foreign affairs. Decisive.

[Nocrap]

Canada is cutting aid and relations with the Palestinian Authority, Ottawa announced shortly after the Hamas government formally took power Wednesday.

Imagine if we were still governed by the Martinites. We would be farting around forever on the issue. I like Harper's approach to foreign affairs. Decisive.

Just because us lefties have opinions that run contra to our government's position, does not mean that we love or support terrorists. The West is running rampid over the Middle East with cries of democracy, but as soon as a democratic election results in a victory they don't like, they cry boycott or sanction and threaten to cut aid.

This only validates claims from the rebels that the West wants to control their lives, and adds fuel to the fire of terror. Remember, they believe that the Bush Administration are terrorists, and have the body count to prove it.

How can we PROMOTE democracy (not force, since that is the exact opposite), if we are unprepared to accept it's outcome. We need to extend an olive branch if we really want peace, and not punish the Palestinians for voting in the party they feel will best address their needs.

[Argus]

Idealist to the end, indeed.

It is absolutely disgusting the way the left sucks up to these terrorists. :angry:

OK fine, play it that way. That is something I EXPECT from the right.

An elected government. Weather you like it or not, the Palestinians voted Hamas in. Now you have to deal with it. Diplomaticly.

We just did.

idealist

'Remember, a man with a full belly and secure domicile is much less likely to strap explosives to himself and blow him up at some soon to be forgoten checkpoint then a starving man'

I very much like this statement.

Good for you. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to be true. Nice sentiment, though.

[Newfie Canadian]

Personally, I think that the government made the only decision it could in the absence of any promise by Hamas to participate in the peace process.

On the upside for Palestinians, Mackay said that money will still go there through NGO's and the UN.

[scribblet]

And rightly so, good for Harper. Its about time the western world stood up to these terrorists, how much aid did the people actually see before? Not much, it went into Arafat's pockets, any aid we send will likely go for buying bombs.

There never was a 'palestine', but IMHO most people will accept a new state of Palestine as long as they agree to peace an accept Israel's right to exist.

[Shakeyhands]

Canada is cutting aid and relations with the Palestinian Authority, Ottawa announced shortly after the Hamas government formally took power Wednesday.

Imagine if we were still governed by the Martinites. We would be farting around forever on the issue. I like Harper's approach to foreign affairs. Decisive.

Well it is easier when you get your direction from whatever GW is doing, it takes a lot less effort....

Can't wait till the TTC or something is attacked, I wonder what else we can do to make ourselves a target, I mean is Afghanistan really enough?

[Multirec]

"Can't wait till the TTC or something is attacked,"

[scribblet]

Canada is cutting aid and relations with the Palestinian Authority, Ottawa announced shortly after the Hamas government formally took power Wednesday.

Imagine if we were still governed by the Martinites. We would be farting around forever on the issue. I like Harper's approach to foreign affairs. Decisive.

Well it is easier when you get your direction from whatever GW is doing, it takes a lot less effort....

Can't wait till the TTC or something is attacked, I wonder what else we can do to make ourselves a target, I mean is Afghanistan really enough?

Thats a crock about getting drections from GW, why can't people leave their hatred for Bush out of it?

I certainly hope we are not a target, but we are on Bin Laden's To Do list, and I would hate to think that Canada would be afraid to stand up for freedom and against terrorism out of fear and blackmail from terrorists.

Not to mention we have our own home grown terrorist wannabees. Maybe we shouldn't prosecute him for fear of upsetting AQ

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/s...04-f009b2698364

Ottawa man tried to arm model plane with bomb, court told Brother had a role in plot directed by senior al-Qaeda figure, informant testifies

Momin Khawaja of Ottawa was devising a way to fit a remote-controlled model airplane with explosives, a London terrorism trial of seven Britons charged with plotting to bomb sites in Britain heard yesterday.

What's more, the trial was told, a senior al-Qaeda figure in Pakistan wanted the men to unleash a simultaneous wave of bombings in Britain in 2004. Potential targets, court has heard, included a London nightclub, pubs, trains and a major mall east of the British capital.

Yesterday's revelations from star prosecution witness Mohammed Babar are the first in which a witness has said the plot was directed and controlled by Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terrorist network.

[FTA Lawyer]

Canada is cutting aid and relations with the Palestinian Authority, Ottawa announced shortly after the Hamas government formally took power Wednesday.

Imagine if we were still governed by the Martinites. We would be farting around forever on the issue. I like Harper's approach to foreign affairs. Decisive.

Just because us lefties have opinions that run contra to our government's position, does not mean that we love or support terrorists. The West is running rampid over the Middle East with cries of democracy, but as soon as a democratic election results in a victory they don't like, they cry boycott or sanction and threaten to cut aid.

This only validates claims from the rebels that the West wants to control their lives, and adds fuel to the fire of terror. Remember, they believe that the Bush Administration are terrorists, and have the body count to prove it.

How can we PROMOTE democracy (not force, since that is the exact opposite), if we are unprepared to accept it's outcome. We need to extend an olive branch if we really want peace, and not punish the Palestinians for voting in the party they feel will best address their needs.

Part of democracy is accepting responsibility for your vote...i.e. "you get the government you deserve" type of thing. If you vote for a government that advocates terror, and other nations are not prepared to deal with your government, then you've got what you voted for, and can blame no one but yourself.

MacKay is not saying that Hamas must leave the parliament buildings...that would be refusing to accept the democratic outcome.

MacKay is simply saying that we will not directly fund the Hamas government whilst it maintains an official policy of terrorism...that is called prudent foreign policy and I am particularly proud that Canada has demonstrated a willingness to be a leader on this front.

I usually hate using the cliche' Nazi references to support an argument, but it seems prudent here...after all, Hitler was democratically elected. Were we wrong as a nation to join the war effort against Nazi Germany? Ought we have sent over money so they could buy bigger cremation chambers?

Absurd, right?

Then why the problem with the fact that we will not send funds to Hamas to support their governmental operations? (keeping in mind that we are still sending millions annually to provide humanitarian aid to the people of Palestine).

FTA

[Army Guy]

I'm alittle confused here. Exactly why do we have to maintain relations with any country with links to terror. why is it we can turn the taps of in supporting thier nation, but not turn the taps off to the groups that feed and provide them housing.

An why have we not shut all Canadian funding off going to palistine, because they are starving, it's thier only source of income give me a break... We have Canadian soldiers that are dying fighting the war on terror why don't we ask them if they care if a nation that sponsors terror to achieve political goals goes hungry or not.

Using the excuse that by not sending them our tax dollars will only drive more into taking up the terrorist cause is bullshit with a capitol B...The message our government should have sent was we will not support your nation in any way until you give up your terrorist ideals and practices.

And if we drive more of them into becoming terrorist then perhaps the west should put thier little nation on the to do list.

[GostHacked]

FTA Lawyer

I usually hate using the cliche' Nazi references to support an argument, but it seems prudent here...after all, Hitler was democratically elected. Were we wrong as a nation to join the war effort against Nazi Germany? Ought we have sent over money so they could buy bigger cremation chambers?

Not sure how to respond to this.

Comparing Nazi Germany to Palestine is pretty bad. To me it looks like Israel is systematicly taking over Palestinian land. Builing fences and walls around them for containment. Inhumane. Look I understand the Jews plight after WWII. My grandfather fought for the Germans in WWII and came over to Canada in the late 1940's He told me of horrible stuff commited by both sides of the war. So after WWII the Jews were given a nice peice of land in the Middle East. That 'country' has been growing ever since. I don't think any other county's land grab equals that of Israel since it was created. IN other words this is a form of sanctioned genocide.

Nocrap

Just because us lefties have opinions that run contra to our government's position, does not mean that we love or support terrorists. The West is running rampid over the Middle East with cries of democracy, but as soon as a democratic election results in a victory they don't like, they cry boycott or sanction and threaten to cut aid.

Someone is looking at the bigger picture here. Thank you.

[FTA Lawyer]

FTA Lawyer

I usually hate using the cliche' Nazi references to support an argument, but it seems prudent here...after all, Hitler was democratically elected. Were we wrong as a nation to join the war effort against Nazi Germany? Ought we have sent over money so they could buy bigger cremation chambers?

Not sure how to respond to this.

Comparing Nazi Germany to Palestine is pretty bad. To me it looks like Israel is systematicly taking over Palestinian land. Builing fences and walls around them for containment. Inhumane. Look I understand the Jews plight after WWII. My grandfather fought for the Germans in WWII and came over to Canada in the late 1940's He told me of horrible stuff commited by both sides of the war. So after WWII the Jews were given a nice peice of land in the Middle East. That 'country' has been growing ever since. I don't think any other county's land grab equals that of Israel since it was created. IN other words this is a form of sanctioned genocide.

GostHacked,

I wasn't trying to make a case for supporting Israel vs. Palestine nor was I suggesting that Palestine is the current equivalent of Nazi Germany (this is why I usually shy away from Nazi references because there's just so much baggage attached all the time).

The only point I was trying to make is that just because a leader or government might be democratically elected, it doesn't mean we (as promoters of democracy) can't disagree with their policies and choose not to conduct business with them as we have just done with Hamas.

In some cases (as with Nazi Germany) it may even be appropriate to outright go to war let alone simply choose to withhold monetary aid.

FTA

[Army Guy]

Not sure how to respond to this.

Comparing Nazi Germany to Palestine is pretty bad. To me it looks like Israel is systematicly taking over Palestinian land. Builing fences and walls around them for containment. Inhumane. Look I understand the Jews plight after WWII. My grandfather fought for the Germans in WWII and came over to Canada in the late 1940's He told me of horrible stuff commited by both sides of the war. So after WWII the Jews were given a nice peice of land in the Middle East. That 'country' has been growing ever since. I don't think any other county's land grab equals that of Israel since it was created. IN other words this is a form of sanctioned genocide.

Perhaps you should do some reading up on Israel dating back just before 1948 and find out why the Country of Israel has so much occupied land with the Israelis flag flying over it. Before you accuse them of sanctioned genocide.

[wellandboy]

Not sure how to respond to this.

Comparing Nazi Germany to Palestine is pretty bad. To me it looks like Israel is systematicly taking over Palestinian land. Builing fences and walls around them for containment. Inhumane. Look I understand the Jews plight after WWII. My grandfather fought for the Germans in WWII and came over to Canada in the late 1940's He told me of horrible stuff commited by both sides of the war. So after WWII the Jews were given a nice peice of land in the Middle East. That 'country' has been growing ever since. I don't think any other county's land grab equals that of Israel since it was created. IN other words this is a form of sanctioned genocide.

With all due respect or at least as much as I can politely muster, your reference to tales your Nazis grandfather told you and "the Jews were given a nice peice of land in the Middle East" demonstrates an utter lack of historical perspective. As for "IN other words this is a form of sanctioned genocide" an unbelievable statement as I've ever seen on this forum.

FTA's analogy Nazis analogy is appropriate to Hamas, both elected government's founded and based on terror.

Now it appears you're making an analogy between Nazis and Israel and what Hamas are freedom fighters?

[Black Dog]

Wow, way to take a bold stand. I wonder: will we be also cutting ties with China? Saudi Arabia? I mean, it's one thing to take a stand against a "terrorist organization" like Hamas, but what about terrorist states? Really, the $29 million in aid to the P.A. the HarperCons are suspending is chump change compared to the $20 billion+ trade we do with the thugs in Beijing.