Arson reported at Ballot Boxes in Portland

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

How have conspiracy theories contributed to drop-box concerns? Ballot drop boxes have been in the spotlight for the last four years, targeted by right-wing conspiracy theories that falsely claimed they were responsible for massive voter fraud in 2020.

A debunked film called “2,000 Mules” amplified the claims, exposing millions to a groundless theory that a ballot harvesting operation was depositing fraudulent ballots in drop boxes in the dark of night.

An Associated Press survey of state election officials across the U.S. found there were no widespread problems associated with drop boxes in 2020.

Paranoia about drop boxes continued into the 2022 midterms, when armed vigilantes began showing up to monitor them in Arizona and were restricted by a federal judge. This year, the right-wing group True the Vote launched a website hosting citizen livestreams of drop boxes in various states.

In Montana, where an important U.S. Senate race is on the ballot, Republicans recently seized on an unsubstantiated ballot box tampering claim to raise money off doubts about the electoral process.

 

source: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/arson-and-conspiracy-theories-blamed-in-ballot-drop-box-blazes-b0cba9fe

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Of course, it's conspiracy theorists that are believed to be responsible. 

then. Why. Use. Them.

They are clearly a problem. They are clearly unnecessary. They clearly help create doubt about a system that's already got massive problems along those lines.

Get rid of them.

[Deluge]

19 hours ago, robosmith said:

Because they are MAGA NUTS who will do whatever they can to destroy faith in election results. 

No, that's ANTIFA. They were probably strung out on heroin - had no idea what in the f*ck they were doing. lol

[User]

Looks like the investigation has found devices with "Free Gaza" on them related to the ballot box arson. 

That totally seems like MAGA all right. Naturally, I expect all the the folks here trying to argue this was MAGA to now ignore this thread and run away like the cowards they are. 

Devices used in ballot box arsons had 'Free Gaza' markings, sources say

https://abcnews.go.com/US/ballot-box-set-fire-west-coast-portland-oregon/story?id=115221030

"The devices used in the arson incidents carried markings with the expression "Free Gaza," two sources familiar with the ongoing investigation told ABC News."

 

[Aristides]

13 minutes ago, User said:

Looks like the investigation has found devices with "Free Gaza" on them related to the ballot box arson. 

That totally seems like MAGA all right. Naturally, I expect all the the folks here trying to argue this was MAGA to now ignore this thread and run away like the cowards they are. 

Devices used in ballot box arsons had 'Free Gaza' markings, sources say

https://abcnews.go.com/US/ballot-box-set-fire-west-coast-portland-oregon/story?id=115221030

"The devices used in the arson incidents carried markings with the expression "Free Gaza," two sources familiar with the ongoing investigation told ABC News."

 

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One of the sources told ABC News it was unclear whether these markings reflect the views of a pro-Palestine activist -- or if it was an individual trying to manipulate existing divisions in U.S.

 

If you are going to burn ballot boxes, why advertise who you really are?

[User]

16 minutes ago, Aristides said:

If you are going to burn ballot boxes, why advertise who you really are?

They didn't. 

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, User said:

They didn't. 

Who didn't? Republicans are on record of hating drop boxes and as far as I know Palestine activists have shown no interest in them. What better than a false flag that further enflames anti muslim sentiments.

[User]

18 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Who didn't? Republicans are on record of hating drop boxes and as far as I know Palestine activists have shown no interest in them. What better than a false flag that further enflames anti muslim sentiments.

No one said who they were here. 

Palestinian activists have shown an interest in disrupting normal society, they block roads, they block public right of ways, they break the law, they engage in violence, they even disrupt Democrats and routinely heckle and harass Harris at her rallies, and they engaged in so much hate towards Jews at the DNC Jews feared for their safety there. 

This is perfectly inline with their MO. 

 

[Aristides]

Just now, User said:

No one said who they were here. 

Palestinian activists have shown an interest in disrupting normal society, they block roads, they block public right of ways, they break the law, they engage in violence, they even disrupt Democrats and routinely heckle and harass Harris at her rallies, and they engaged in so much hate towards Jews at the DNC Jews feared for their safety there. 

This is perfectly inline with their MO. 

 

I don't know who did it, I'm just saying a false flag is one of the things you have to consider. You are the kind of person it would be aimed at. 

[User]

9 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I don't know who did it, I'm just saying a false flag is one of the things you have to consider. You are the kind of person it would be aimed at. 

This is what you are landing on now. You are the kind of person who will ignore the political messaging and try to insinuate that it was someone on the right instead of the left. 

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9 minutes ago, User said:

This is what you are landing on now. You are the kind of person who will ignore the political messaging and try to insinuate that it was someone on the right instead of the left. 

Kind of like what you and your buddies to people you consider to be on the "left."

[Aristides]

11 minutes ago, User said:

This is what you are landing on now. You are the kind of person who will ignore the political messaging and try to insinuate that it was someone on the right instead of the left. 

I’m not landing on anything. Your politics are so polarized that you  can’t consider anything else. That’s why I say it would be aimed at people like you.

[User]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

I’m not landing on anything. Your politics are so polarized that you  can’t consider anything else. That’s why I say it would be aimed at people like you.

No, your politics are so polarized that you are claiming I can't consider anything else when I have made no such comments here to indicate that. 

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

If you are going to burn ballot boxes, why advertise who you really are?

Because that's what disruptive protest is supposed to do. What these leftist radicals are saying is that if the American people don't take steps to force their government to free Gaza and stop the Israelis then they will interfere with their free elections.

The message seems pretty clear

55 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Kind of like what you and your buddies to people you consider to be on the "left."

Are you seriously trying to pass off the idea that Pro Palestinian protesters are going to be on the right? Is that what you're trying to do now? Rashida talib.  AOC , all a bunch of right wing radicals?

Are you truly that desperate?

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2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 

Are you seriously trying to pass off the idea that Pro Palestinian protesters are going to be on the right? Is that what you're trying to do now? Rashida talib.  AOC , all a bunch of right wing radicals?

Are you truly that desperate?

You may want to reread the context of my post. Most people would have no problem deciphering it.

[CdnFox]

Just now, DUI_Offender said:

You may want to reread the context of my post. Most people would have no problem deciphering it.

In other words yes that's what you were trying to do.

Based on the evidence that we have the people that did this were always late left wing Pro Palestinian protesters who felt it was okay to interfere with an election to send a message about freeing Palestine. Sorry if that offends you

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2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Based on the evidence that we have the people that did this were always late left wing Pro Palestinian protesters who felt it was okay to interfere with an election to send a message about freeing Palestine. Sorry if that offends you

It does not offend me at all, considering I am on Israel's side. I would wait for more evidence to come out, before drawing any conclusions. 

[Aristides]

2 hours ago, User said:

This is what you are landing on now. You are the kind of person who will ignore the political messaging and try to insinuate that it was someone on the right instead of the left. 

Not at all, I never even considered it until I read that quote I posted. You want it to be Palestine activists so much, you won't even consider any other possibilities.

[User]

6 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Not at all, I never even considered it until I read that quote I posted. You want it to be Palestine activists so much, you won't even consider any other possibilities.

So... you just doubled down on your previous false assertion about me. 

 

[Fluffypants]

Sometimes it feels like Biden is secretly trying to sabotage Kamala's campaign. He keeps doing this little things that aren't helpful to her.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

It does not offend me at all, considering I am on Israel's side. I would wait for more evidence to come out, before drawing any conclusions. 

More than them actually signing the devices? Well sure, it has always good to have all the information possible before making a decision obviously. But I think it's a reasonable working premise for the moment that it was probably them

[Aristides]

55 minutes ago, User said:

So... you just doubled down on your previous false assertion about me. 

 

OK, I'll just assume you do think a false flag is a possibility.

 

[CdnFox]

53 minutes ago, Fluffypants said:

Sometimes it feels like Biden is secretly trying to sabotage Kamala's campaign. He keeps doing this little things that aren't helpful to her.

I don't think it's any secret. He's hated her since the beginning because of her comments about him during the 2020 nominations. And Jill Biden hates the hell out of her.

Now the democratic party has taken him out back and shot him like Old Yeller and she's getting all the glory and attention and stealing his job. 

And when she fails he'll be standing up and yelling at the top of his lungs that he could have done it if only they'd give it him a chance and this all happened because they back stabbed him and a percentage of democrats will probably believe that.

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14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I don't think it's any secret. He's hated her since the beginning because of her comments about him during the 2020 nominations. And Jill Biden hates the hell out of her.

Now the democratic party has taken him out back and shot him like Old Yeller and she's getting all the glory and attention and stealing his job. 

And when she fails he'll be standing up and yelling at the top of his lungs that he could have done it if only they'd give it him a chance and this all happened because they back stabbed him and a percentage of democrats will probably believe that.

Yup. She was a weak choice.

I actually think Pete Buttigieg would have made a good leader.

[User]

17 minutes ago, Aristides said:

OK, I'll just assume you do think a false flag is a possibility.

 

OK, I will accurately state that you are a fundamentally dishonest person who made up crap about me and refuses to admit it or apologize. 

[Aristides]

Just now, User said:

OK, I will accurately state that you are a fundamentally dishonest person who made up crap about me and refuses to admit it or apologize. 

I will accurately state that you are a dishonest person who goes out of his way to avoid a simple question.