Are you a man or a woman?

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Very Trumpian of you, putting "fake" in front of everything.

 

 

I didn't say the word "fake" once    LOLOL
 

Holy shit kid, are you going to be ok?

[User]

19 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Your identity is who you are. It is made up of your self-awareness, your consciousness, your perspectives, your motivations, your interpretations, your sense of self, your particular way of framing the world, your intuitions, the manner in which you process information, and all of that is generated in your brain. 

So... it is also driven by the environment, not just your brain. It is also going to be driven by the choices you make... so, not just your brain. 

 

[User]

17 hours ago, Radiorum said:

How you view, how you perceive, how you imagine ... all functions of the brain.

But your brain does not operate in a white room with no inputs. You are in control of those inputs and the environment to a great extent and to a lesser extent how you are raised, society, etc... this is why we have social, biological, and psychosocial sciences. 

A sociologist will tell you it is how you were raised and the environment. 

A Biologist will tell you it is the gentics...

A psychologist will tell you it is the chemistry of your brain... 

These all have an impact on your brain functions. 

[Radiorum]

18 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I didn't say the word "fake" once

So you accept the legitimacy of transgender women and  men?

18 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Holy shit kid, are you going to be ok?

I'm great, thanks for asking.

[User]

1 minute ago, Radiorum said:

So you accept the legitimacy of transgender women and  men?

What does legitimacy here mean?

 

[Radiorum]

4 hours ago, User said:

So... it is also driven by the environment, not just your brain. It is also going to be driven by the choices you make... so, not just your brain. 

the environment certainly provides stimuli,  but the brain provides the response

 

4 hours ago, User said:

But your brain does not operate in a white room with no inputs. You are in control of those inputs

But we are not. No-one controls their environment. You only control yourself.

What we control is our response to the environment.

4 hours ago, User said:

A sociologist will tell you it is how you were raised and the environment. 

A Biologist will tell you it is the gentics...

A psychologist will tell you it is the chemistry of your brain... 

These all have an impact on your brain functions. 

 

My main point has been to point out that during fetal development, a human brain sexually differentiates to either male or female. You haven't provided any valid counter-point to that.

3 minutes ago, User said:

What does legitimacy here mean?

That they exist and are real.

[User]

6 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

My main point has been to point out that during fetal development, a human brain sexually differentiates to either male or female. You haven't provided any valid counter-point to that.

Yes I have, you ignored that and moved on from your claims many pages ago now. 

 

7 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

That they exist and are real.

What does that even mean?

Yes, of course people who feel they are something they are not exist. 

[Legato]

On 1/29/2025 at 3:56 PM, Radiorum said:

Your identity is who you are. It is made up of your self-awareness, your consciousness, your perspectives, your motivations, your interpretations, your sense of self, your particular way of framing the world, your intuitions, the manner in which you process information, and all of that is generated in your brain. 

I got mine from a Hewlett Packard laser printer, and a camera.

[User]

17 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

But we are not. No-one controls their environment. You only control yourself.

What we control is our response to the environment.

Yes, you do in fact control your environment. We are not at the mercy of being in some laboratory. That is the point. You choose what to watch, what to read, who to hang out with, what you want to do in life... if you are going to go to the park and watch the sunset or if you are going to go to the drag queen strip club... 

Unless you are a child, then you are at the mercy of what your parents subject you to... why, it is almost as if your parents push this trans garbage on you, all of a sudden you see these left wing folks with all their kids as some form of LGBTQ. Like, its a social contagion, something they are taught, not something their brain just magically tells them to do. 

 

[CdnFox]

32 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

So you accept the legitimacy of transgender women and  men?

I'm great, thanks for asking.

I never said anything about the legitimacy of transgender women and men. 

You seem to be having entire conversations in your mind that i'm not party to.  You keep mentioning things i've never said. 

You're very obviously not fine. You seem pretty broken, you can't even make an intelligent argument or respond intelligently to simple questions or statements. You're hearing all kinds of things that aren't there and that can't be a good sign

 

Was it your intention to send the message that people who advocate for trans rights have mental health issues?

[Radiorum]

22 minutes ago, User said:

Yes, of course people who feel they are something they are not exist. 

So, you are indeed denying the validity of their identities. It's that sort of attitude that leads to stigma and harassment.

 

10 minutes ago, User said:

Like, its a social contagion, something they are taught, not something their brain just magically tells them to do. 

There has been research to disprove the idea of social contagion.

[CdnFox]

Just now, Radiorum said:

So, you are indeed denying the validity of their identities. It's that sort of attitude that leads to stigma and harassment.

 

First off what do you even mean by validity? You obviously don't understand the words you're using.

Second off what leads to stigma and harassment is the kind of ignorant attitude that you yourself have demonstrated here. I'm using it doesn't even need to come from actual transgender people, those advocating on their behalf supposedly often do more harm than anyone

[User]

4 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

So, you are indeed denying the validity of their identities. It's that sort of attitude that leads to stigma and harassment.

Of course. I am not going to reject reality based on someone's feelings. This is their problem, not 99% of societies to reject reality for them. 

21 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

There has been research to disprove the idea of social contagion.

And there is still evidence of it. 

[Radiorum]

1 hour ago, User said:

1 hour ago, User said:

I am not going to reject reality based on someone's feelings.

You probably don't even see the irony in your rejecting someone else's reality based on your feelings.

[User]

45 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

You probably don't even see the irony in your rejecting someone else's reality based on your feelings.

Its not my feelings. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, User said:

 

And there is still evidence of it. 

Quite a bit actually. 

@Radiorum may not like it but there is a vast body of works that indicate that environmental factors play a large role.  Trans are not entirely 'born', they are also 'made'. 

Although it does not seem to be a personal choice or the like, but other factors other than biology absolutely play a role in both homosexual and trans feelings and 'identity'.  That really is beyond question at this point. 

[Matthew]

On 1/30/2025 at 2:44 PM, Radiorum said:

So you accept the legitimacy of transgender women and  men?

The false dilemma here, as usual, is people tend to think that if one is not born with a thing in one's DNA or physically in their body or brain, then the thing is not real or legitimate. But most of who we are and what we think is a socially constructed reality. Even the neurological evidence you've cited involves chemical functions largely occurring within social contexts. Things that are social fabrications are still real in their effects (see the Thomas Theorem)

 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Matthew said:

The false dilemma here, as usual, is people tend to think that if one is not born with a thing in one's DNA or physically in their body or brain, then the thing is not real or legitimate. But most of who we are and what we think is a socially constructed reality. Even the neurological evidence you've cited involves chemical functions largely occurring within social contexts. Things that are social fabrications are still real in their effects (see the Thomas Theorem)

 

You can't even describe what legitimate means. Your inability to be able to describe what you're talking about and clear terms is one of the reasons nobody actually is buying into the whole Transgender package anymore.

And nobody associates dNA with reality. If I say I'm a conservative and I behave like a conservative, most people would say he appears to be a conservative even though I may not have any genetic conservative DNA.

The problem comes when people try and claim something that their DNA actually shows they are not. If I claim that I'm a Labradoodle and people take a look at a picture of a Labradoodle and they look at me and they take a couple of blood samples, they're going to come back and say "Well here's the problem with that...."

Now I might tell them I feel like a Labradoodle. And they might say we acknowledge that you're having these feelings and we understand that, but we also understand that you're not a Labradoodle. So we might be willing to call you a Labradoodle in public if it makes you feel better but we have to ask you to stop p*ssing on our lawn

 

That would be a reasonable insane action and that's largely what's happening with the reaction to transgender community. Transgender females are trying to claim that they are real females And that they should be treated exactly like real females. They are not real females. They are males who feel like females and they have some mental health issues associated with it. So accommodation only goes so far

[Matthew]

35 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You can't even describe what legitimate means. Your inability to be able to describe what you're talking about and clear terms is one of the reasons nobody actually is buying into the whole Transgender package anymore.

And nobody associates dNA with reality. If I say I'm a conservative and I behave like a conservative, most people would say he appears to be a conservative even though I may not have any genetic conservative DNA.

The problem comes when people try and claim something that their DNA actually shows they are not. If I claim that I'm a Labradoodle and people take a look at a picture of a Labradoodle and they look at me and they take a couple of blood samples, they're going to come back and say "Well here's the problem with that...."

Now I might tell them I feel like a Labradoodle. And they might say we acknowledge that you're having these feelings and we understand that, but we also understand that you're not a Labradoodle. So we might be willing to call you a Labradoodle in public if it makes you feel better but we have to ask you to stop p*ssing on our lawn

 

That would be a reasonable insane action and that's largely what's happening with the reaction to transgender community. Transgender females are trying to claim that they are real females And that they should be treated exactly like real females. They are not real females. They are males who feel like females and they have some mental health issues associated with it. So accommodation only goes so far

What are you rambling about? That's not a response to anything.

Edited February 4 by Matthew

[CdnFox]

51 minutes ago, Matthew said:

What are you rambling about? That's not a response to anything.

I literally quoted you in my response.

So in other words you can't answer these simple questions or address the points I raised so you're going to try and avoid it by pretending that you don't know what I'm talking about.

You have no recollection whatsoever of ever using the word legitimate in your life I'm sure. Never mind the quote.

Dishonesty thy name is woke

[Matthew]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

I literally quoted you in my response.

Nothing that followed had anything to do with what I said, nor any relevance to anything I believe. As usual, you just come in and start having a conversation with yourself.

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Nothing that followed had anything to do with what I said, 

Of course it did. Starting with the fact that you used the words Legitimate and I quoted it and pointed out that you can't even describe what it means in this context

And you know I'm right so rather than address it you pretend that you never said it! Why what could he ever possibly be talking about? Legitimate? Never heard of it brand new word to me!

And DNA?!? What?? I've never even used that word (except in the quote he quoted)

Sigh.  Your childishness is unreal.  Everyone can see what you said, and i addressed it directly.  Is english your 3rd language or something? 

You spout random stupidity and then when people call you on it you pretend you haven't got a clue what they could mean. You're a joke. 

[Matthew]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Of course it did. Starting with the fact that you used the words Legitimate and I quoted it and pointed out that you can't even describe what it means in this context

And you know I'm right so rather than address it you pretend that you never said it! Why what could he ever possibly be talking about? Legitimate? Never heard of it brand new word to me!

And DNA?!? What?? I've never even used that word (except in the quote he quoted)

Sigh.  Your childishness is unreal.  Everyone can see what you said, and i addressed it directly.  Is english your 3rd language or something? 

You spout random stupidity and then when people call you on it you pretend you haven't got a clue what they could mean. You're a joke. 

You clearly don't even comprehend my position on the topic. I get that you responded reflexively to certain words you saw. But none of what you are saying is relevant to anything I believe.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Matthew said:

You clearly don't even comprehend my position on the topic. 

Anyone who actually believed that will clarify their position on the topic. 

Instead you pretended that you hadn't even raised the topic.

It's pretty obvious that you are incapable of articulating your position and are so afraid of being asked that you would rather dance around the subject rather than attempt to.

So now we know you're full of shit, your whole dNA angle was just bullshit you made up and don't understand and don't believe, you can't even adequately describe what You mean by legitimate in relation to this.

You're a joke kid

[Matthew]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

your whole dNA angle was just bullshit

Ah so then certainly you could explain what my alleged "dna angle" is?