The Only Patriotic Choice for President

[myata]

This isn't a great situation. Democracy cannot work with one side only. A political system created in and for the 18th century will not last forever without serious maintenance.

Yet, in this election here, there's only one sane choice. Anyone with a grain of memory, honesty and integrity has to admit it at least to themselves. No need of any publicity, and little to be proud about. America deserves better, and should have done better.

Edited October 17, 2024 by myata

[SkyHigh]

On 10/17/2024 at 2:21 AM, CdnFox said:

It's an old anti-gunner trick to try and make it about firearms deaths. If the overall deaths are not the same then the tool is meaningless.

As far as Canada versus the last goes as I said we also have far less knife death. How is that possible if we have the same sort of knife laws? Do you own a knife? Me too! So it doesn't seem to be the presence of the tool that's responsible for the discrepancy.

And that would be undisputable as well. Americans kill more Americans than Canadians kill Canadians regardless of the tool

Stand your ground laws aren't considered murder or the like.  It's like suicides don't really belong in "gun killing' stats either.  And oh look, there's your second major separate topic of conversation for later  Waiting for that third shoe to drop.

But not a credible definition. Your definition of children is anyone under the age of 18 and it includes gang warfare and kids killing kids with illegal guns. So children is a little bit misleading. And even then it's only the most recent figures, it hasn't been that way before 2019. Before then it was automobile accidents by far. There aren't more guns in the states right now than there used to be. It's about the same number with a slow steady growth rate. So obviously it wasn't the presence of guns that made this happen considering the guns were there before.

In fact a disproves your point. If we look at a 10-year time stretch the number of guns in the united states was about the same. It's been a slight increase but not particularly that much.  So if the presence of the firearms were the problem we would expect to see a roughly similar result year over year with maybe a little bit of a spike or Lull here and there. But that is absolutely not what we see.

So I would propose that the issue there isn't about guns, it's about gangs and criminal activity. That's why the murder rate went up amongst children. The vast majority of those extra deaths were homicides.

 

So again I don't think you can see any evidence in there for causation. If the number of guns hasn't substantially changed and yet the murders with guns amongst children has changed then it would appear to be whatever is causing there to be more murders, not the guns considering that is a variable that didn't change

Though some of the points you raised are valid and merit further discussion, they are not relevant to the issue of the current conversation.

This conversation dealt with the original comment I made saying that Canada has "arguably" more freedom.

Nationalist, disagreed with my hypothesis, I mentioned the heritage foundation/ Frasier institute paper about financial mobility. He had no answer. In fact his only counter points dealt with property rights (something I didn't dispute, but don't actually feel is  a valid point, as a home owner, I didn't even spend a millisecond worrying if the government was going to take my house and can't imagine that many Canadians feel any different) and access to guns (another point I readily coincide) This is where you interjected.

I was speaking about the trade off, that this supposed freedom would entail.

Of course I'm not arguing a direct causel link between gun ownership and homicide rates, because no logically minded rational person would ever do that, but at the same time I'm sure you would admit that claiming that there is no correlation would be just as errant. It's not just a simple matter of more guns, more death, but the gun culture in the US and I used the example of stand your ground laws as an illustration.

I also provided numbers (that are unbiased) that compare Canada and the US directly and support my assertions. If you have numbers that contradict those, I'd be happy to see them but simply stating your opinions makes for a less than fruitful conversation 

I have never been in a situation where I think I could have better handled it, if I had a firearm, and I'm a foster kid from Regent Park. 

Have you ever felt your freedoms were suppressed by the fact you can't carry a gun?

 

Edited October 18, 2024 by SkyHigh