Tightest Race Ever - despite ALL the insane goings on Harris and Trump are still within a hair's breath of each other. How is this happening?

[Hodad]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

1. Bullshit.

2. I didn't day anything about duty...but nice try.

Oh, so you weren't posting crazy articles that said Pence was legally prohibited (duty bound) from accepting "fraudulently" certified votes?

You are a liar and a coward, lacking the courage of your kooky convictions.  

[User]

31 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You are a liar and a coward, lacking the courage of your kooky convictions.  

Like you care. 

The exact same can be said about you. 

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, Hodad said:

Oh, so you weren't posting crazy articles that said Pence was legally prohibited (duty bound) from accepting "fraudulently" certified votes?

You are a liar and a coward, lacking the courage of your kooky convictions.  

I never said it was Pence's "duty".

I said the option was there.

Keep up man...

[Hodad]

54 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I never said it was Pence's "duty".

I said the option was there.

Keep up man...

A. The "option" is not there. There is no precedent and no legal mechanism. Think (for once) about how farking insane it is to say that a VP can simply reject the certified state votes at his or her whimsy.

B. You continue to lie. To support your point  above you posted an opinion piece that he was legally required to reject "fraudulent" state votes. 

[User]

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

A. The "option" is not there. There is no precedent and no legal mechanism. Think (for once) about how farking insane it is to say that a VP can simply reject the certified state votes at his or her whimsy.

B. You continue to lie. To support your point  above you posted an opinion piece that he was legally required to reject "fraudulent" state votes. 

And yet you guys fear monger about how we were THIS CLOSE to losing our democracy if only Pence did something you now say he clearly couldn't do... 

[Nationalist]

14 hours ago, Hodad said:

A. The "option" is not there. There is no precedent and no legal mechanism. Think (for once) about how farking insane it is to say that a VP can simply reject the certified state votes at his or her whimsy.

B. You continue to lie. To support your point  above you posted an opinion piece that he was legally required to reject "fraudulent" state votes. 

A. I get that you're desperate to justify the last 4 years. But the precedent is there and had Pence used it, he could have called for a complete recount under heavy scrutiny. That would have settled the matter and all the crap over the last 4 years could have been avoided.

B. I'm not lying. In fact, it's you who's lying.

Edited September 24, 2024 by Nationalist

[Hodad]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

A. I get that you're desperate to justify the last 4 years. But the precedent is there and had Pence used it, he could have called for a complete recount under heavy scrutiny. That would have settled the matter and all the crap over the last 4 years could have been avoided.

B. I'm not lying. In fact, it's you who's lying.

It is patently false that the VP ceremonially overseeing the counting of certified votes can stop that process and demand a nationwide recount. 

That's just as crazy as thinking he or she magically has the power to simply pick the winner they prefer. 

What you're saying is in no way grounded in reality. It's the juvenile fantasy of people who have no idea how our election system could or SHOULD work. 

The precedent does not exist, nor should it. How farking insane do you have to be to sit there and argue that in a democratic country, Kamala Harris will have unilateral control of whether she wins or loses the upcoming election?

It's unbelievably stupid. Just stop.

[User]

8 minutes ago, Hodad said:

It is patently false that the VP ceremonially overseeing the counting of certified votes can stop that process and demand a nationwide recount. 

You are, without a doubt, one of the most two faced lying posters on this forum. A coward as well. 

You have have fear mongered on here in the recent past about how we were so close to losing our democracy and the only thing that saved us was Pence growing a backbone...

Now here you are admitting the obvious, that Pence didn't have the power to do anything. 

You will say anything in any argument. Pathetic. 

Edited September 24, 2024 by User

[Matthew]

Trump is closer to maxing out the number of people who would ever vote for him, statistically drawn overwhelmingly from elderly less educated white guys. Harris has a far bigger pool of eligible voters who are under 50 but statistically less likely to turn out. So the strategy for both is trying to activate new and younger voters. That's why trump is going on so many podcasts followed by millions of younger white men.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

It is patently false that the VP ceremonially overseeing the counting of certified votes can stop that process and demand a nationwide recount. 

That's just as crazy as thinking he or she magically has the power to simply pick the winner they prefer. 

What you're saying is in no way grounded in reality. It's the juvenile fantasy of people who have no idea how our election system could or SHOULD work. 

The precedent does not exist, nor should it. How farking insane do you have to be to sit there and argue that in a democratic country, Kamala Harris will have unilateral control of whether she wins or loses the upcoming election?

It's unbelievably stupid. Just stop.

How does..."up yours" sound?

I will not stop because the truth is on my side. You...on the other hand... have to deny truth at all costs. You actively warp reality to make your point.

Nobody said Pence could magically pick a winner. This is just another in a long line of lies and warped ideas you try desperately to peddle, hoping nobody will notice. Well...I noticed.

I will opine on this though. Should Trump will this election, I whole heartedly hope he turns the justice system and the SCOTUS on you freaks and allow you to experience the joys of being made out to be criminals.

[User]

12 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I will opine on this though. Should Trump will this election, I whole heartedly hope he turns the justice system and the SCOTUS on you freaks and allow you to experience the joys of being made out to be criminals.

Its the only way they will learn. I want to see the DOJ dragging liberals out of their homes at 8am on Saturday morning in front of their crying kids with fully armed SWAT teams over the dumbest shit we can find to drag them into court for and arrest them over. 

 

[Hodad]

17 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

How does..."up yours" sound?

I will not stop because the truth is on my side. You...on the other hand... have to deny truth at all costs. You actively warp reality to make your point.

Nobody said Pence could magically pick a winner. This is just another in a long line of lies and warped ideas you try desperately to peddle, hoping nobody will notice. Well...I noticed.

I will opine on this though. Should Trump will this election, I whole heartedly hope he turns the justice system and the SCOTUS on you freaks and allow you to experience the joys of being made out to be criminals.

You just can't stop lying. Yes, having Pence pick the winner absolutely was part of their plan. That was the core of the plan, and the first option identified. Create fake electors. Use the fake electors they created as a pretense to declare dispute. Then Pence can discard as many states as he needs to give Trump the win. Again, point 3 of the Eastman plot.

"3. At the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the 7 States, there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States. That means the total number of "electors appointed" – the language of the 12th Amendment – is 454. This reading of the 12th Amendment has also been advanced by Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe. A "majority of the electors appointed" would therefore be 228. There are at this point 232 votes for Trump, 222 votes for Biden. Pence then gavels President Trump as re-elected."

 

The truth is NOT on your side. Pence had no more legal authority to demand a recount than he had to pick a winner. They were all illegal schemes. Eastman acknowledged that they were illegal. He even asked Trump for a pardon. Jeebus.

[Nationalist]

11 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You just can't stop lying. Yes, having Pence pick the winner absolutely was part of their plan. That was the core of the plan, and the first option identified. Create fake electors. Use the fake electors they created as a pretense to declare dispute. Then Pence can discard as many states as he needs to give Trump the win. Again, point 3 of the Eastman plot.

"3. At the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the 7 States, there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States. That means the total number of "electors appointed" – the language of the 12th Amendment – is 454. This reading of the 12th Amendment has also been advanced by Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe. A "majority of the electors appointed" would therefore be 228. There are at this point 232 votes for Trump, 222 votes for Biden. Pence then gavels President Trump as re-elected."

 

The truth is NOT on your side. Pence had no more legal authority to demand a recount than he had to pick a winner. They were all illegal schemes. Eastman acknowledged that they were illegal. He even asked Trump for a pardon. Jeebus.

Lol...first of all...I don't give a rat's ass about some plan. The fact is Pence could have ordered a recount.!

Now...take your desperation, your hatred, your lies and yourself...and go cast your vote for a woman who lies and hates America as much as you do...

And her side-kick, Tampon Tim.

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...first of all...I don't give a rat's ass about some plan. The fact is Pence could have ordered a recount.!

Now...take your desperation, your hatred, your lies and yourself...and go cast your vote for a woman who lies and hates America as much as you do...

And her side-kick, Tampon Tim.

No, Pence could not have ordered a recount, you loon. There is no legal mechanism for that. Jeebus. The VP is not the King of Elections.🙄

[Nationalist]

43 minutes ago, Hodad said:

No, Pence could not have ordered a recount, you loon. There is no legal mechanism for that. Jeebus. The VP is not the King of Elections.🙄

Sure he could have...and should have. Just like in 2000 and Al Gore's challenge. 

Son...you're just wrong. Go pick your wounds and come back when you're man enough to admit when you're wrong.

[impartialobserver]

not sure that much is going to change between now and election day. would seem as if not much to talk about then.. 

[CdnFox]

Back to the topic on hand, it's still going on. Harris went up a couple of points for a day or two and then is down again, look like she might have more of the swing states and now trump looks like he's winning in the swing states again. Basically this is bouncing around in the margin of error.

There is no real movement. This is as much of a tie as it's possible to get with a margin of error involved

At some point something has to break and one of them will have to pull away from the other. But I'm starting to think unless there is some event that is somehow more convincing than a debate or a assassination attempt or the like that we won't see any significant movement to right at the end

2 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

not sure that much is going to change between now and election day. would seem as if not much to talk about then.. 

Well this is it, normally this is where you would say unless something unexpected happens. But the unexpected has already happened several times and nothing has changed. There's no logical turning point coming up like a debate or the like other than the vice presidents which I doubt will make much difference.

We'll have to see. I think a stagnant campaign still favors trump

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Sure he could have...and should have. Just like in 2000 and Al Gore's challenge. 

Son...you're just wrong. Go pick your wounds and come back when you're man enough to admit when you're wrong.

You are a clown. No, Gore did not order a national recount from his ceremonial seat.🤪 Never happened. There is no such power.

Gore simply did his job an presided over the election certification as he was legally required to do.  You know, without trying to declare himself the winner. 🙄 He abided by the court's ruling. He had conceded. He didn't claim voter fraud or try to stage a coup. Pretty basic stuff.

 

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Hodad said:

You are a clown. No, Gore did not order a national recount from his ceremonial seat.🤪 Never happened. There is no such power.

Gore simply did his job an presided over the election certification as he was legally required to do.  You know, without trying to declare himself the winner. 🙄 He abided by the court's ruling. He had conceded. He didn't claim voter fraud or try to stage a coup. Pretty basic stuff.

 

Coup? Your bullshit is getting wilder.

You're wrong and your lies won't help you.

Have a warm and fuzzy day Tweenkie-poo.

[User]

17 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Coup? Your bullshit is getting wilder.

You're wrong and your lies won't help you.

Have a warm and fuzzy day Tweenkie-poo.

There is a reason he ran and hid from me... got tired of my calling him out. 

[User]

22 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You know, without trying to declare himself the winner. 🙄 He abided by the court's ruling. He had conceded. He didn't claim voter fraud or try to stage a coup. Pretty basic stuff.

 

Gore tried to steal the election by selectively recounting votes that would favor him the most. He wanted to "interpret" votes in the recount that would favor him most. He tried to selectively throw out votes from being counted from the military that he knew would favor him least. 

Those are all wrongful measures he engaged in to steal the election and destroy Democracy. 

And even after, him and his followers have continued on with the lie, saying that the Supreme Court stole the election for Bush and that Gore should have won. 

 

[Nationalist]

34 minutes ago, User said:

There is a reason he ran and hid from me... got tired of my calling him out. 

Meh...people like Hodad make up history and truth to suit their purposes. That's why they have to lie so much.

[Hodad]

 

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Coup? Your bullshit is getting wilder.

You're wrong and your lies won't help you.

Have a warm and fuzzy day Tweenkie-poo.

I really don't care in the least that you stupidly believe that the Vice President has unilateral control over the election. Everyone playing along knows you're entirely full of crap. Snuggle up in your rocking chair you senile old twat.

[Nationalist]

10 minutes ago, Hodad said:

 

I really don't care in the least that you stupidly believe that the Vice President has unilateral control over the election. Everyone playing along knows you're entirely full of crap. Snuggle up in your rocking chair you senile old twat.

I never said the "VP" has unilateral control over the election". I said the VP can halt or stall a declaration if there is ample concern of misrepresentation of the vote tally. And this is absolutely the case. So you're either ignorant or a liar.

Judging by your posts on the subject, you continually misrepresent my words and/or just make sh1t up, I have to conclude you're probably...both.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

 

I really don't care in the least that you stupidly believe that the Vice President has unilateral control over the election. Everyone playing along knows you're entirely full of crap. Snuggle up in your rocking chair you senile old twat.

You sure spend an awful lot of time talking about something you don't care about