New Greece Study on Marijuana

Black Dog · April 3, 2006

A person can go out for an evening and have a couple of drinks socially, and not be impaired, while the only way one knows they've had enough Marijuana is when they are stoned. That is the only purpose for smoking the stuff.

In other words it's a cost effective alternative to hooch! Excellent!

mcqueen625 · April 3, 2006

Actually alcohol is good for you in moderation, good for the ol' ticker.

Alcohol can be enjoyed responsibly, marijuana must be abused.

You must get high, you don't have to get drunk.

What do you mean "must" get high?

I don't know anyone addicted to marijuana. I know plenty of people addicted to alcohol, and yes, they have to get drunk.

A person comes home from work, drinks a glass of scotch to take the edge off the day.

A person comes home from work, smokes a joint to take the edge off the day.

Please explain the difference.

I certainly know people who are addicted to Marijuana, and one of them is my brother-in-law. He will tell you himself that he has to toke in order to get through a day. When he gets up in the morning, one of the first things he does is roll a joint. His next chore is to roll a few more dubbies to take to work with him, and to smoke on the way to and from the job-site. So yes some people are addicted to the drug whether that addiction is just psycological or physical I'm not sure but I would suggest from watching my Brother-in-law I would say it is both.

Drea · April 4, 2006

What do you mean "must" get high?

I don't know anyone addicted to marijuana. I know plenty of people addicted to alcohol, and yes, they have to get drunk.

A person comes home from work, drinks a glass of scotch to take the edge off the day.

A person comes home from work, smokes a joint to take the edge off the day.

Please explain the difference.

I certainly know people who are addicted to Marijuana, and one of them is my brother-in-law. He will tell you himself that he has to toke in order to get through a day. When he gets up in the morning, one of the first things he does is roll a joint. His next chore is to roll a few more dubbies to take to work with him, and to smoke on the way to and from the job-site. So yes some people are addicted to the drug whether that addiction is just psycological or physical I'm not sure but I would suggest from watching my Brother-in-law I would say it is both.

Ok, so you know of one person who is *addicted to marijuana....

but you didn't touch on the difference between the two people -- one has a scotch after work, one has a joint.

Again, what is the difference?

*addicted -- the body does not require marijuana. It is not physically addictive. Your brother in law might get cranky without his pot but he will not go through any type of physical withdrawl as with alcohol or other addictive drugs. The street terms are: for alcohol, the DDT's; for heroin, I believe the term is "jonesing". This just does not happen with marijuana.

BubberMiley · April 4, 2006

A person can go out for an evening and have a couple of drinks socially, and not be impaired, while the only way one knows they've had enough Marijuana is when they are stoned. That is the only purpose for smoking the stuff.

I'm high all the time but never nearly as impaired as when I have "a couple of drinks socially."

Wilber · April 4, 2006

A person can go out for an evening and have a couple of drinks socially, and not be impaired, while the only way one knows they've had enough Marijuana is when they are stoned. That is the only purpose for smoking the stuff.

I'm high all the time but never nearly as impaired as when I have "a couple of drinks socially."

That's funny.

geoffrey · April 5, 2006

A person can go out for an evening and have a couple of drinks socially, and not be impaired, while the only way one knows they've had enough Marijuana is when they are stoned. That is the only purpose for smoking the stuff.

I'm high all the time but never nearly as impaired as when I have "a couple of drinks socially."

That's funny.

If only he could see himself while high eh?

Watching people baked is great fun, especially after I've had a few drinks.

BubberMiley · April 5, 2006

If only he could see himself while high eh?
Watching people baked is great fun, especially after I've had a few drinks.

You'd never know it by looking at me. I make sure you can't smell it either. Just don't puke on my shoes.

Hollus · April 7, 2006

Its legal in Denver and Alaska. Its decriminalized in a few other states. Seems like the US is further ahead in marijuana reform than Canada.

Smithers · April 7, 2006

Pot makes peaple stupid. I know. My brother starts with pot then gos to acid and XTC and meth. Lock up the gorwers and deelers forever I think. No reason to legalise it. No good for anybody.

Black Dog · April 7, 2006

Pot makes peaple stupid. I know. My brother starts with pot then gos to acid and XTC and meth. Lock up the gorwers and deelers forever I think. No reason to legalise it. No good for anybody.

I could make a snide comment along the lines of "if marijuana makes people stupid, how does that explain your spelling?", but I won't. Except I just did. :unsure:

Seriously though: the "gateway drug" hypothesis is the ultimate conflation of causation and correlation.

Slavik44 · April 7, 2006

Pot makes peaple stupid. I know. My brother starts with pot then gos to acid and XTC and meth. Lock up the gorwers and deelers forever I think. No reason to legalise it. No good for anybody.

Did pot kill Kenny to? I mean come on, why is it that you are looking for such a simplistic answer as to assume Pot did this, and pot is solely responsible. They have done a number of expirements on rats and drug addiction, in one of those expirements they had two cages, one deemed a stimulating environment and the other what was temred a non-stimulating environment. In each environment water was provided, and water laced with drugs was provided...In the stimulating environment it was found the rats were less likely to use the drugs or become addicted to these drugs, perhpas I could make a case that you, your family, and your brothers home environment should be blamed, but I wont do that. What I will say is that perhpas we should be kepping are half baked ideas to ourselves.

BubberMiley · April 7, 2006

Half-baked. That's funny. But I kind of subscribe to the gateway drug argument in that I think marijuana criminalization mainstreams exposure to the drug black market. If marijuana were decriminalized, there wouldn't be another drug on the black market that is so innocuous as to facilitate widespread criminal networks in our schools. Marijuana criminalization exposes kids to organized crime where they otherwise wouldn't have been exposed and, because it's such a ridiculous law, creates contempt for drug laws in general. This contempt could lead kids down a road of illegal drug consumption where they might otherwise not have gone.

geoffrey · April 9, 2006

Seriously though: the "gateway drug" hypothesis is the ultimate conflation of causation and correlation.

To some extent I agree with you. Obviously there is something in both the pot culture and hard drugs that leads people down that path, most people have done pot that do cocaine. However, saying that pot use makes people use coke or LSD, even I don't believe that as one of the most anti-drug people out there.

Drea · April 9, 2006

Back in the late 80's, coke was king.

Everybody was doing it. Even those who had never smoked pot in their lives.

I did it too. I remember, I'd need a doobie to "come down" from the cocaine but my buddies who didn't smoke pot just kept on a paryin' into the next day.

At least I got some sleep and ate some food (as pot makes one sleepy and hungry)... they just kept going and going with no sleep and no nutrition.

I am so glad the 80's are over and I came through them unscathed :lol:

These days I'll smoke a joint once in a while, but you'll never see me touch cocaine ever again.

One of those buddies got hooked on it and lost his business. Practically lost his life.

Know what's really funny?

He moved to Florida in 1995 and became an American citizen and is now a staunch Republican.

sideshow · April 10, 2006

Want a high? Press iron in the gym till your nose bleeds. Run till you puke.

Stay natural. Drugs are a waste of time. :angry:

Drea · April 10, 2006

Want a high? Press iron in the gym till your nose bleeds. Run till you puke.

That's my high these days -- going to the gym or biking. Much more fun IMO.

Black Dog · April 10, 2006

Want a high? Press iron in the gym till your nose bleeds. Run till you puke.
Stay natural. Drugs are a waste of time.

Who says one can't do both?

BubberMiley · April 11, 2006

There's no high better than blasting through singletrack in the forest on your mountain bike with a nice little buzz happening.

geoffrey · April 11, 2006

There's no high better than blasting through singletrack in the forest on your mountain bike with a nice little buzz happening.

Agreed.

Drea · April 11, 2006

There's no high better than blasting through singletrack in the forest on your mountain bike with a nice little buzz happening.

Ack! I'd probably fall down the mountain and break my neck!

IMO pot and booze have a time and a place. When I'm in "fitness mode" the last thing I want is to smoke a doobie.

sharkman · April 14, 2006

There's no high better than blasting through singletrack in the forest on your mountain bike with a nice little buzz happening.

Geez dude, you're scaring me. I DO NOT want to hear about your driving preferences while stoned. I wonder how many pot users secretly drive while stoned. There is a lot of paranoid driving going on these days.

mcqueen625 · April 14, 2006

Four drinks a week for ten years will not damage your health. Four joints a week for ten years will. So, no, I don't think we should make booze illegal.

This site is discussing Marijuana, not alcohol. Everytime someone comes out against pot, the pot-heads drag out their old standby argument about the bad affects of alcohol, when the two have nothing to do with each other. the discussion is about a scientific study done by Greek researchers on the effects on individuals who use pot.

Slavik44 · April 14, 2006

Four drinks a week for ten years will not damage your health. Four joints a week for ten years will. So, no, I don't think we should make booze illegal.

This site is discussing Marijuana, not alcohol. Everytime someone comes out against pot, the pot-heads drag out their old standby argument about the bad affects of alcohol, when the two have nothing to do with each other. the discussion is about a scientific study done by Greek researchers on the effects on individuals who use pot.

Unfortunately the study doesn't tell us anything about the effects of pot.

BubberMiley · April 15, 2006

Geez dude, you're scaring me. I DO NOT want to hear about your driving preferences while stoned. I wonder how many pot users secretly drive while stoned. There is a lot of paranoid driving going on these days.

Haven't fallen off my bike in 15 years. It's like playing a musical instrument. Practise while high and you can do it high.

geoffrey · April 16, 2006

Geez dude, you're scaring me. I DO NOT want to hear about your driving preferences while stoned. I wonder how many pot users secretly drive while stoned. There is a lot of paranoid driving going on these days.

Haven't fallen off my bike in 15 years. It's like playing a musical instrument. Practise while high and you can do it high.

Practice driving drunk and you can drive drunk? Nope.

By the way, I misread your post above when I agreed to driving bikes high through single track. I'm just about driving bikes through single track.