The Independence Movement in Quebec is Imploding on Itself

[Moonlight Graham]

On 12/2/2024 at 6:49 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Well, ultimately we're likely dealing with the Nietzsche observation: "God is dead and we have killed him"

What is the reason for a person, a community, a society to live without the framework of religion?

 

 

Nationalism?

People are at least as hypocritical about that as they are about religion.

Politicians sing the anthem but they know that globalism is inevitable.

Post-national state.  Canada is just a place to hang your hat now.  Nobody is signing up to serve in our military anymore.  Why defend something you have weak attachment to, or know little about?  It's the Liberal way.

Canadians see Americans as smug and overly patriotic, which they sometimes can be, and so Canadians kneejerk and want to be the opposite.  "Nationalism" and "patriotism" become a dirty word.  It's an over-correction and poorly thought out, like many liberal sentiments.

[Moonlight Graham]

On 12/2/2024 at 3:03 PM, Michael Hardner said:

People do believe that history is over and we achieved the End of History in the past century.

That theory has clearly been debunked, in fact it was almost immediately by the author's former professor. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_of_Civilizations

[Moonlight Graham]

On 12/2/2024 at 5:39 PM, Michael Hardner said:

I think we have to rebuild the common discussion space first. Otherwise we won't know if we're getting better.

Yeah but progressives are leaving twitter for Bluesky, and many left MLW for the other forum.  This is highly divisive and unhelpful.  Silos and echo chambers are bad.

Musk is an arse, but i do think the platform itself is more politically neutral than before.  His tweets would have existed whether or not he owned the platform (unless the old owners banned him LOL).

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Yeah but progressives are leaving twitter for Bluesky, and many left MLW for the other forum.  This is highly divisive and unhelpful.  Silos and echo chambers are bad.

Musk is an arse, but i do think the platform itself is more politically neutral than before.  His tweets would have existed whether or not he owned the platform (unless the old owners banned him LOL).

I think that people want a public space without bots or trolls.  This place used to be like that.

[herbie]

Progressives? X got so toxic it's a wonder everyone hasn't left.

Kind of like this place.

[Moonlight Graham]

21 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I think that people want a public space without bots or trolls.  This place used to be like that.

I don't see any here.  There's more on the other board actually, i can name 2 or 3.  Just a few chuds here, but that's nothing new lol

Bluesky will get bots and trolls if it gets any steam.

7 hours ago, herbie said:

Progressives? X got so toxic it's a wonder everyone hasn't left.

Kind of like this place.

Is X or MLW toxic...or are anonymous people on the internet?

[herbie]

Light the lantern and the moths will come.