Fairy tale politics vs honest, responsible dialogue with the society: the choice

[myata]

While the forthcoming election will have impacts on many levels, one thing is clear: it cannot be reduced to only food basket. While economic and global uncertainty is very real, fairy tale politics can and will do little and anything to solve these challenging problems. The conversation about the state and the future of democracy cannot be avoided, and it's up to the sane and responsible America, that is far more and wider than one party, to keep it going over the pre-election period, along and together with other important issues.

The reasons are simple: first, a liar cannot be beaten at their own game, that is prolific lying. If you decide to play a lying game with a known and patented liar and have qualms and reservations about going too far, they wouldn't have those and you will lose. There are no miracles that could control prices or predict stellar and stable economic growth in a free market economy. So don't go there - leave it to the liars. Instead, keep the conversation about the things that you will do, and what it will give to the people. Secondly and also importantly, by avoiding this conversation and choices, we may concede and agree to accept the default ones. Will this be the new normal and then, standard of the political discourse for the future, for generations? To what end and where?

Sane America has to speak to the people saying, again and again that to keep their democracy citizens will have to make informed and responsible choices. Including what is the accepted standard of politics and leadership. Democracy is not a fairy tale, but a society and choices of free and responsible citizens. There's simply no way around this condition and challenge no matter what and how liars will lie. Democracy via throat and mouth of the Beloved Leader does not exist and will not. In fact, it's the opposite of it. If unsure, look it up right in the Constitution.

[Michael Hardner]

Discourse depends on the communication landscape.  When these change, it's like moving the furniture to find old dust beneath.

Voting down the orange man won't clean that dust.

 

 

[myata]

10 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Voting down the orange man won't clean that dust.

It depends. If it's a result of a grown up responsible decision of the society, it could be the beginning point of a certain, much needed rethinking and renewal of democratic politics. And should, on the other hand, it choose to try the fairy tale option it should know and remember that it had the choice. So this conversation is important, not to the detriment of other important issues.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, myata said:

While the forthcoming election will have impacts on many levels, one thing is clear: it cannot be reduced to only food basket. While economic and global uncertainty is very real,

The food basket is real. No one can tell you that your food basket isn't the most important thing you own. Regardless of anything else, if your food basket is full, your government is doing one of the 3 main things right.

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fairy tale politics can and will do little and anything to solve these challenging problems. The conversation about the state and the future of democracy cannot be avoided, and it's up to the sane and responsible America, that is far more and wider than one party, to keep it going over the pre-election period, along and together with other important issues.

Fairy tale politics is what you're trying to divert this to.

You're trying to pretend that this election is about stopping Trump from becoming emperor lol. 

Myata: "Ignore the fact that Biden instigated a war in Ukraine, and that the ME is spiralling out of control, interest rates are sky high, the cost of food is making it hard for people to survive, that the border is wide open. the only thing you should care about right now is MY assertion that Trump is trying to end democracy." 

Does the FBI target Trump's opponents? Do they hatch fake kidnapping plots and then solve them as an October surprise, only to be busted for entrapment? Do they lie about things to protect Trump from the truth, right before an election?

Has a shadow gov't been standing behind Trump, moving his lips, or is that Biden, and the de facto president: Mr. Teleprompter?" 

Does Trump use the IRS to target his political opponents? 

Does the TSA rummage through the underwear of Trump's political opponents at the airport? 

Does social media ban people for telling the truth, and call the truth "Russian disinformation"? 

Did Trump ever create any kind of gesundheitspass to discriminate against the unvaxed?

Did Trump ever declare martial law to to stop BLM riots, which caused were incomparably violent and destructive compared to the Bouncy Castle Protests?

Did Trump resort to calling all of the BLM protesters and rioters "racists and misogynists"?

 

Shove your fairy tale politics, dummy. You don't have the first clue what you're talking about. 

[myata]

Yes, this is why it is important. Because if not halted and censored it can become the new normal and will. The standard then. Really, no way around it.

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, myata said:

Yes, this is why it is important. Because if not halted and censored it can become the new normal and will. The standard then. Really, no way around it.

Are you finally admitting that it's anti-democratic for the Dems to weaponize the FBI, DOJ, IRS, MSM, and to blatantly pursue a pathway to taking over the SC? Because that's what it sounds like. 

[myata]

It is about honesty and responsibility: do they have a place in politics? Do we need them?

The founding fathers may never imagined that this question would be asked but here we go it's a fact now and ignoring it would only get worse - and all the way to Venezuela, make no mistake.

So the question is in the open and it's up to the people to decide. There will be no running away, not noticing, deliberate ignorance as the answer will be obtained by the Time either way. Either it's condemned and thrown out; or it's the new normal and the new standard. A choice and crossroads that just cannot be shrugged away.

[CouchPotato]

2 hours ago, myata said:

It is about honesty and responsibility: do they have a place in politics? Do we need them?

If Trump gets elected we will see honest and responsibility return to politics and society at large. He is going to fix it.

Edited August 18, 2024 by CouchPotato

[myata]

Honesty and responsibility have nothing to do with pathological lying and imagined realities. No, it's the opposite of those.

So, it will also be a test of basic honesty and integrity.

[CouchPotato]

Just now, myata said:

Honesty and responsibility have nothing to do with pathological lying and imagined realities. No, it's the opposite of those.

That's why it's so important that the Democrats lose. They lied for years about Joe Biden being mentally well. They've used the justice system against political opponents and everyday Americans. It's time for Trump to restore honesty, integrity and responsibility to America.

[myata]

The choice has to be made by everyone, because this is already the edge: past here, any lie if loud enough can be promoted as real, and the reality itself an insignificant distraction.

And I have to say, especially it concerns the Republicans, those of integrity, principle and responsibility. It is simple really: it so happened, how and why a topic for another conversation that the question for the public decision, the plebiscite even if not formally set so was formulated by your party.

Is this the new normal? Is this how the politics will be, from now on?

The point is, you cannot stay silent because silence would be counted as tacit agreement by the history. So if you think and believe, based on your principles and your understanding of integrity that democratic policies cannot be on this level and in this form, you will have to speak out. The reset didn't work and couldn't from all that we know. Ignoring it would a be tacit acceptance of insanity and there could be no excuses for that, to the history. This much, we already know. In your own way, any way you find and see appropriate but you will have to speak out. I think the logic here is direct and clear. But if you like, do try to challenge it.

Edited August 18, 2024 by myata

[CouchPotato]

18 minutes ago, myata said:

The point is, you cannot stay silent because silence would be counted as tacit agreement by the history. So if you think and believe, based on your principles and your understanding of integrity that democratic policies cannot be on this level and in this form, you will have to speak out.

You are right. I won't stay silent about the evils of the Democrat party. Thank you once again, myata. Every time I read one of your posts I am inspired anew to support Donald Trump. Your love of truth and dignity and Donald Trump is so beautiful. We must save democracy. We must elect Donald J. Trump.

Edited August 18, 2024 by CouchPotato

[myata]

Any way you can, in a form that is right for you but silence will be interpreted by history as a tacit agreement with it becoming the new standard. Lindsay Graham: Republican senator urges Trump to focus on policy issues instead of making personal attacks against Harris