What was the Covid Jab, Really?

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Can you provide evidence that the Democrats are going to shut down or want to shut down Fox News if they win the election?

It's not like it's a secret. They openly dream about it the same way they openly talk about their various plans to hijack the SC.

2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Canada was never fascist, in it's 158 year history,

Canada was never closer to fascism in its 158 year history. 

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1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

It's not like it's a secret. They openly dream about it the same way they openly talk about their various plans to hijack the SC.

Interesting.

Thank you for not pulling a @CdnFox and lying.

I have new found respect for you.

Edited August 18, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, DUI_Offender said:

I'm sorry.

 

I had to block CdnFox. He was getting on my nerves.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!  Sorry that the truth butt hurt you so bad kid   You LITERALLY ASKED for it  

You're like every leftie here - you KNEW you were wrong,  You KNEW i dont' talk unless i've already looked something up, but just because you didn't WANT it to be true you INSISTED it wasn't!

then i posted proof it was and look!!!! you're so butthurt you have to run away crying like a baby and stick your head in the sand  

LOL nuther leftie bites the dust  

Just now, DUI_Offender said:

Interesting.

Thank you for not pulling a @CdnFox and lying.

I have the utmost respect for you.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHA  !!!1 LOLOL 

[WestCanMan]

Just now, DUI_Offender said:

Interesting.

Thank you for not pulling a @CdnFox and lying.

I have the utmost respect for you.

There shouldn't be a conversation about shutting down Fox News, dummy. 

CNN lies 24/7. You can't name a single major story that CNN didn't lie about in the last 5 years. Dems don't even acknowledge any lies, because CNN lies for them. 

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Just now, WestCanMan said:

There shouldn't be a conversation about shutting down Fox News, dummy. 

CNN lies 24/7. You can't name a single major story that CNN didn't lie about in the last 5 years. Dems don't even acknowledge any lies, because CNN lies for them. 

If I had to choose between FOX and CNN, I would take my news from CNN every single time. At least they were not almost sued to oblivion, for airing false claims in regards to election interference. 

[CdnFox]

Just now, DUI_Offender said:

If I had to choose between FOX and CNN, I would take my news from CNN every single time. At least they were not almost sued to oblivion, for airing false claims in regards to election interference. 

Of course you would! Look at how badly you JUST reacted to facts!  You can't watch anything that actually has facts in it or you'll lose your mind  

[WestCanMan]

12 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

If I had to choose between FOX and CNN, I would take my news from CNN every single time. At least they were not almost sued to oblivion, for airing false claims in regards to election interference. 

Buddy, Fox News doesn't have a camera inside of a Dominion voting machine to know if it's legit or not.

Some crazy stuff happened, like hand-counted ballots not matching the machine total, and as the story evolved they didn't back off.

That's nothing like a story where CNN has all of the footage of a kid standing on the stairs, protesting against abortion, minding his own business, when a dude comes up to him and starts banging a drum in his face, and CNN decides to present it as if the kid walked up to the other guy and racistly pushed his face up against the guy's drum. 

CNN picked on a HS kid ffs, on national television.

CNN also got busted for staging a fake "Chris Cuomo leaving his basement for the first time after covid quarantine" video. Cuomo got caught on video in an altercation with a cyclist a week earlier, the guy just asked him why he was out and about when he was supposed to be in quarantine and Cuomo lost it. But CNN still wanted to pretend that Chris had quarantined for two weeks, and he was just coming upstairs to see his family for the first time, so they made a whole show about it. It was all 100% staged, 100% fake.

Gov Andrew Cuomo, the guy who got an Emmy for his awesome covid speeches, was getting all those talking points from Chris. Think about it, a member of the media was coaching a governor on what to say he was experiencing, while that governor was busy forcing covid patients back into care homes. Not only that, the governor was forbidding covid tests on them before sending them back. Then if they were gonna die he'd have them sent to a hospital so that they'd count as hospital deaths instead of care home deaths, and then he had his people intentionally fudge the numbers intentionally fudged so that he didn't look bad. That guy won an Emmy for his collaboration with CNN but he was basically a covid criminal. What he was doing was unconscionable, and then the Dems and CNN turned it into a "He may have grabbed someone's butts so we have to fire him" routine 🤣. Andrew Cuomo was not turfed for a smooching scandal, he was turfed for a covid scandal that the dems and MSM couldn't acknowledge. 

They spun that whole farce into an "Our standards are so high that we're firing a governor for maybe grabbing someone's butt" and you fell for it. 

So why was Gov Cuomo turfed, dummy? In your own words... You're an expert on media accountability, and it's not every day a governor gets relieved of his duties. You know this one Drunk_Loser. Tell us all what happened...

Those aren't lies where CNN started off talking about a seemingly  legit story and then didn't update it quickly enough, those were total fabrications. That's a case where they absolutely knew that something never happened right at the very beginning, and they created a false story of their own and told it to the whole world anyways. 

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18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Buddy, Fox News doesn't have a camera inside of a Dominion voting machine to know if it's legit or not.

Some crazy stuff happened, like hand-counted ballots not matching the machine total, and as the story evolved they didn't back off.

 

Some crazy stuff happened all right. FOX News lied about Dominion Voting Systems, a Canadian company, and spread lies about the company. Dominion sued FOX for $1.6 billion, and a judge ruled the case could proceed. Hours before the case was going to court, FOX settled with Dominion, giving the company $767 million to drop the suit, essentially admitting that they had lied about Dominion (innocent parties don't settle for US record amounts).

Now Smartmatic, another voting system, is suing FOX News, and it is still in litigation. Tucker Carlson was fired from FOX as a result, and now has been exiled to Twitter.  The moral of the story is, that FOX News lies, and cannot be trusted.  Notice how we never hear about negative stories about Dominion Voting systems in the news? That is because they were false, and no company wants to be sued into oblivion. 

 

Edited August 18, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Some crazy stuff happened all right. FOX News lied about Dominion Voting Systems, a Canadian company, and spread lies about the company. Dominion sued FOX for $1.6 billion, and a judge ruled the case could proceed. Hours before the case was going to court, FOX settled with Dominion, giving the company $767 million to drop the suit, essentially admitting that they had lied about Dominion (innocent parties don't settle for US record amounts).

Now Smartmatic, another voting system, is suing FOX News, and it is still in litigation. Tucker Carlson was fired from FOX as a result, and now has been exiled to Twitter.  The moral of the story is, that FOX News lies, and cannot be trusted. 

So clearly you don't understand the difference between a legit story not getting updated promptly, and just creating a fake story to tell people. 

That's why you don't understand how low CNN's credibility rating is. 

For an example, if CNN hears about Jussie's lynching story and then reports on it, that's normal. Fox too. CNN and Fox might start reporting it as a hoax on different timelines, whatever, and it would be news fake for CNN to pretend that its still kinda likely when they know it's not, or to pretend that maybe Jussie felt like it was real when they knew he was a faker, but that's nothing compared to the level of deception if we found out that CNN was part of the scam from the very start. Get it? It's "fabrication" vs "timeline for updating an ongoing story". 

CNN fabricates. That's why they're considered the biggest liars on TV. Fabricating is the most extreme form of lying. It involves intent from even before the lie is told. It's not the same as omitting or exaggerating, which is still bad. 

[CdnFox]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

So clearly you don't understand the difference between a legit story not getting updated promptly, and just creating a fake story to tell people. 

That's why you don't understand how low CNN's credibility rating is. 

For an example, if CNN hears about Jussie's lynching story and then reports on it, that's normal. Fox too. CNN and Fox might start reporting it as a hoax on different timelines, whatever, and it would be news fake for CNN to pretend that its still kinda likely when they know it's not, or to pretend that maybe Jussie felt like it was real when they knew he was a faker, but that's nothing compared to the level of deception if we found out that CNN was part of the scam from the very start. Get it? It's "fabrication" vs "timeline for updating an ongoing story". 

CNN fabricates. That's why they're considered the biggest liars on TV. Fabricating is the most extreme form of lying. It involves intent from even before the lie is told. It's not the same as omitting or exaggerating, which is still bad. 

And they've been sued for it. More than once.  they and NBC have deliberately altered footage and presented "facts" they know to be untrue in order to create stories.  Not just 'got a story wrong' or the like.  Or came to a different conclusion over the evidence.  But actually made up a story AND CREATED SUPPORTING "EVIDENCE".  We saw it with the christian school kids and with treyvon etc etc. 

[WestCanMan]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And they've been sued for it. More than once.  they and NBC have deliberately altered footage and presented "facts" they know to be untrue in order to create stories.  Not just 'got a story wrong' or the like.  Or came to a different conclusion over the evidence.  But actually made up a story AND CREATED SUPPORTING "EVIDENCE".  We saw it with the christian school kids and with treyvon etc etc. 

The Trayvon story, the M Brown story, and the G Floyd were the worst. They lied about those guys just to get riots going and keep them going.

The video of M Brown violently robbing a store was out for a long time while CNN was still going with the "Gentle giant" narrative. 

Walz was likely a big contributor to the lies about G Floyd because he was governor at the time and it was his own AG, Keith Ellison, who kept that bodycam footage from the public until it was eventually leaked.

A whole narrative about police racism and police brutality was broadcast to the public for months until we finally found out that Floyd was actually resisting arrest quite a bit, and he was saying that he couldn't breathe before anyone laid a hand on him: it was his own Fentanyl use that was causing his breathing problems. 

If that bodycam footage never existed, America would be screwed: those riots would have continued for months, to the ultimate satisfaction of Kamala Harris. The false G Floyd narrative would last forever. 

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38 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

So clearly you don't understand the difference between a legit story not getting updated promptly, and just creating a fake story to tell people. 

FOX News created a fake story.  That is why they had to pay out nearly one billion to Dominion. If the story had been legit, and it failed to get updated, the case would have never made it to court. 

lol....I know who not to take legal advice from...

38 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

 

CNN fabricates. That's why they're considered the biggest liars on TV. Fabricating is the most extreme form of lying. It involves intent from even before the lie is told. It's not the same as omitting or exaggerating, which is still bad. 

Actually, CNN has never had to settle for hundreds of millions due to fabricating stories, like FOX News did. Who are you trying to fool anyway? 

[WestCanMan]

Just now, DUI_Offender said:

FOX News created a fake story.  That is why they had to pay out nearly one billion to Dominion. If the story had been legit, and it failed to get updated, the case would have never made it to court. 

lol....I know who not to take legal advice from...

No, stupid, Fox News didn't "create" a story. The story came from a Nevada (iirc) county where a machine count was incorrect for some reason. 

That story was evolving, and members of various media outlets update things like that as they go along, and cognitive bias determines how quickly everyone rushes to the next "most likely scenario" or "updated info". 

It's similar to the Jussie Smollett story which was 100% fake from the outset, but Fox and CNN didn't know that, and as new evidence came in Fox was much quicker to start gravitating towards the 'hoax' angle of it than CNN was. CNN literally had to be dragged across that finish line, but Fox was happy to go down that path. It's also certain that the CNN story was very kind to Jussie, and spared the actual dark reasons behind his lies. Still, despite CNN's joke of covering that story, what they did there was nowhere near as bad as when they completely fabricated other stories, like the ones I mentioned earlier. 

You like to think that Fox should have accepted every little bit of Dominion info as it came in and reported it to the public but that's not how you roll. The standard that you set for yourself and your favourite news outlets is nowhere near that. Eg, when facts and stats come in about covid and the jabs, you choose which ones you want to acknowledge and which ones you never ever will. That's normal for you. No one can force you to admit that more people died of covid in 2022 than 2020, so you don't. You purely ignore that info. If someone talks about it you clam up or talk about something else. 

Watch this...

In 2022 we had 24% more covid deaths than in any previous year, yet media coverage of covid and covid deaths was down by about 95%. The media had almost completely stopped talking about covid that year. Isn't that a bit strange, DUI? 

Now, the simple fact of the matter is that you will never address ^that^. If you talked about covid for 2 hours a day for the next 20 years you will completely neglect the facts above every single time. Yet you think that Fox News should have 100% adapted to the latest "info" that came into their possession exactly when they got it. That's just hypocrisy coming from you.

FYI everyone has their own timeline for verifying, corroborating, etc, and this timeline for Fox was down to a few weeks. Not "4 years", like with Russian collusion. Not "I will never acknowledge facts I don't like", the way you do with covid. The election was in Nov and the mostly peaceful protest at the capitol was on J6. Just two months later.

You're trying to say that "IT'S UNACCEPTABLE THAT FOX DIDN'T START SAYING DIFFERENT THINGS ON THE VERY FIRST DAY THEY GOT NEW INFO!!!!" but you will never admit that vaxed people even die of covid. And CNN??? OMG dummy, Van Jones admitted that Russian collusion was a big nothingburger almost 2 years before they finally stopped pushing that false narrative. TWO YEARS! But Fox should have changed their story on day 1 when new info came in. And TBH, Dominion was just one small part of a much wider story of the integrity of the 2020 election. It's almost impossible that the Dems didn't cheat because they lie and cheat all the time. It's literally all they do is lie or cheat. And now we're all supposed to pretend that they didn't lie and cheat on that one day? Gimme a break. 

You know that CNN lied about collusion for years but you contend that Fox News should have been up to speed on the Dominion story within ten seconds of getting new info. 

You're just such a hypocritical id10t that it's ridiculous to even talk to you. 

FYI this info isn't here because I think that one day you'll understand, it's so that other people know how full of sh1t you are when you run your id10t mouth. 

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17 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

No, stupid, Fox News didn't "create" a story. The story came from a Nevada (iirc) county where a machine count was incorrect for some reason. 

That story was evolving, and members of various media outlets update things like that as they go along, and cognitive bias determines how quickly everyone rushes to the next "most likely scenario" or "updated info". 

It's similar to the Jussie Smollett story which was 100% fake from the outset, but Fox and CNN didn't know that, and as new evidence came in Fox was much quicker to start gravitating towards the 'hoax' angle of it than CNN was. CNN literally had to be dragged across that finish line, but Fox was happy to go down that path. It's also certain that the CNN story was very kind to Jussie, and spared the actual dark reasons behind his lies. Still, despite CNN's joke of covering that story, what they did there was nowhere near as bad as when they completely fabricated other stories, like the ones I mentioned earlier. 

You like to think that Fox should have accepted every little bit of Dominion info as it came in and reported it to the public but that's not how you roll. The standard that you set for yourself and your favourite news outlets is nowhere near that. Eg, when facts and stats come in about covid and the jabs, you choose which ones you want to acknowledge and which ones you never ever will. That's normal for you. No one can force you to admit that more people died of covid in 2022 than 2020, so you don't. You purely ignore that info. If someone talks about it you clam up or talk about something else. 

Watch this...

In 2022 we had 24% more covid deaths than in any previous year, yet media coverage of covid and covid deaths was down by about 95%. The media had almost completely stopped talking about covid that year. Isn't that a bit strange, DUI? 

Now, the simple fact of the matter is that you will never address ^that^. If you talked about covid for 2 hours a day for the next 20 years you will completely neglect the facts above every single time. Yet you think that Fox News should have 100% adapted to the latest "info" that came into their possession exactly when they got it. That's just hypocrisy coming from you.

FYI everyone has their own timeline for verifying, corroborating, etc, and this timeline for Fox was down to a few weeks. Not "4 years", like with Russian collusion. Not "I will never acknowledge facts I don't like", the way you do with covid. The election was in Nov and the mostly peaceful protest at the capitol was on J6. Just two months later.

You're trying to say that "IT'S UNACCEPTABLE THAT FOX DIDN'T START SAYING DIFFERENT THINGS ON THE VERY FIRST DAY THEY GOT NEW INFO!!!!" but you will never admit that vaxed people even die of covid. And CNN??? OMG dummy, Van Jones admitted that Russian collusion was a big nothingburger almost 2 years before they finally stopped pushing that false narrative. TWO YEARS! But Fox should have changed their story on day 1 when new info came in. And TBH, Dominion was just one small part of a much wider story of the integrity of the 2020 election. It's almost impossible that the Dems didn't cheat because they lie and cheat all the time. It's literally all they do is lie or cheat. And now we're all supposed to pretend that they didn't lie and cheat on that one day? Gimme a break. 

You know that CNN lied about collusion for years but you contend that Fox News should have been up to speed on the Dominion story within ten seconds of getting new info. 

You're just such a hypocritical id10t that it's ridiculous to even talk to you. 

FYI this info isn't here because I think that one day you'll understand, it's so that other people know how full of sh1t you are when you run your id10t mouth. 

This is why you have zero credibility of the internet. In spite of a court of law ruling there was enough evidence that FOX News allowed a false narrative that was unsubstantiated to proceed, and FOX getting scared, and giving Dominion Voting nearly a billion dollars, and firing Tucker Carlson, you still stubbornly cling to a false narrative that has been proven to have no merit.

You are in your own little world, favouring some YouTube videos, or conspiracy theorists, rather than a court of law. You need to get out of your basement, and get some fresh air, kiddo. It's not healthy for you. If you do this, I promise not to take a dump in your mouth for an entire week.

Edited August 18, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[WestCanMan]

24 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

This is why you have zero credibility of the internet. In spite of a court of law ruling there was enough evidence that FOX News allowed a false narrative that was unsubstantiated to proceed, and FOX getting scared, and giving Dominion Voting nearly a billion dollars, and firing Tucker Carlson, you still stubbornly cling to a false narrative that has been proven to have no merit.

You have zero credibility because you use words like "fabricated" when they don't apply, and you have a completely different set of standards for Fox than CNN. 

Fabricated means "created a false story from scratch", not "changed the story by a slower rate than facts dictated."

You're comparing a 2-month timeline that you don't like to a 4-yr timeline that you wholeheartedly approve of to this day.

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You are in your own little world, favouring some YouTube videos, or conspiracy theorists, rather than a court of law. You need to get out of your basement, and get some fresh air, kiddo. It's not healthy for you. If you do this, I promise not to take a dump in your mouth for an entire week.

What was "Russian collusion"? What was "Trump referred to immigrants as animals"? What was "Trump referred to white supremacists as very fine people"? 

Those are KNOWN lies that Kamala is still repeating.  

Stop acting like one thing was "the mother of all lies" while bigger lies, which lasted much longer, are unimportant just because one was against a company that successfully sued. 

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19 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Fabricated means "created a false story from scratch", not "changed the story by a slower rate than facts dictated."

 

There were no facts. There was no issues with the Dominion Voting Machines. FOX hosts spread lies about the company, knowing full well that they were false. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

 

Actually, CNN has never had to settle for hundreds of millions due to fabricating stories, like FOX News did. Who are you trying to fool anyway? 

They absolutely did. They settled with sandman reported to be in the tens of millions, they've settled with others for millions as well, 

 

Why is everything you say wrong? Don't you look ANY of this stuff up?

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

There were no facts. There was no issues with the Dominion Voting Machines.

Of course there are always facts, dummy, it's just a matter of which way they align.

There was an actual accusation that a polling machine made a serious miscount in a rural area in one state. I couldn't find it in a Google search, but that was stated as fact just after the election, then there was speculation about whether it was a glitch, or intentional programming error, etc. 

I can't find articles stating whether that accusation was actually made by election officials or if someone just made it up, but the accusation was actually made back then. 

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FOX hosts spread lies about the company, knowing full well that they were false. 

Of course you will recall things however you want to, because the truth has no real meaning to you, DUI. You keep showing that over and over. 

You will just simply never acknowledge simple truths accurately - it is impossible for you. 

Just like you will never admit that we set a record for covid deaths in 2022, you will never speak honestly about the Dominion voting machines incident.  

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

I'm growing tired of your gaslighting.

I just took another dump in your mouth. 

LOL  well NOW everyone will take you seriously   

Whats the matter little guy? Did the mean nasty man use facts and reason on you again? How cruel    

I swear it's like your kryptonite -  someone proves something is true and you immediately shat yourself.  

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6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

 

In 2022 we had 24% more covid deaths than in any previous year, yet media coverage of covid and covid deaths was down by about 95%. The media had almost completely stopped talking about covid that year. Isn't that a bit strange, DUI? 

 

I haven't been able to find much on actual COVID deaths by year in the United States, but according to statista.com:

384,536 people died of COVID in 2020

244,986 people died of COVID in 2022

source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1382334/number-covid-deaths-us-by-year/

The COVID death chart shows that COVID deaths peaked in North America in January 2021, then decreased until the fall of 2021, where they once again rose to high levels. Once spring 2022 hit, the COVID death rate has been low. 

Edited August 19, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[Goddess]

This chart of covid Case Fatality Rate is from Our World in Data.

I've taken the dates off the bottom.

Would anyone like to guess at which point on the chart the covid jabs became available in the US?

[CdnFox]

27 minutes ago, Goddess said:

This chart of covid Case Fatality Rate is from Our World in Data.

I've taken the dates off the bottom.

Would anyone like to guess at which point on the chart the covid jabs became available in the US?

Well this was my point.  It's not perfectly scientific but one WOULD expect that if the vaccine was extremely effective at preventing deaths AND natural immunity wasn't spreading things on it's own, there SHOULD be a noticeable blip as the countries went bat crap crazy stabbing their citizens 

Obviosuly the average person would say that high point right at the beginning. I suspect hat's not it   Or perhaps that second blip where it looked like it was going to go up again but crashed,   

I honestly don't know but i suspect it's not going to be either. 

[Goddess]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well this was my point.  It's not perfectly scientific but one WOULD expect that if the vaccine was extremely effective at preventing deaths AND natural immunity wasn't spreading things on it's own, there SHOULD be a noticeable blip as the countries went bat crap crazy stabbing their citizens 

Obviosuly the average person would say that high point right at the beginning. I suspect hat's not it   Or perhaps that second blip where it looked like it was going to go up again but crashed,   

I honestly don't know but i suspect it's not going to be either. 

The CFR doesn’t drop consistently below the pre-vaccine CFR (.012 in December 2020) until the Omicron variant emerges. 

That means the vaccines didn’t reduce the CFR, which means they don’t prevent deaths. The shots basically had no impact.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

That means the vaccines didn’t reduce the CFR, which means they don’t prevent deaths. The shots basically had no impact.

That low point at which vaccines began rolling out could indicate the impact that non pharmaceutical interventions like shutdowns, social distancing, masks etc were having.

 

Meanwhile...

Conclusions:

Our results indicate that vaccination can have a substantial impact on mitigating COVID-19 outbreaks, even with limited protection against infection. However, continued compliance with non-pharmaceutical interventions is essential to achieve this impact.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7929033/

Keywords: COVID-19, SARS-CoV-2, vaccines, outbreak simulation, United States,

I think compliance should have been a keyword too 

Edited August 19, 2024 by eyeball

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

That low point at which vaccines began rolling out could indicate the impact that non pharmaceutical interventions like shutdowns, social distancing, masks etc were having.

 

Meanwhile...

Conclusions:

Our results indicate that vaccination can have a substantial impact on mitigating COVID-19 outbreaks, even with limited protection against infection. However, continued compliance with non-pharmaceutical interventions is essential to achieve this impact.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7929033/

Keywords: COVID-19, SARS-CoV-2, vaccines, outbreak simulation, United States,

I think compliance should have been a keyword too 

Paid for by Pfizer and the pharma industry.

 

It's also based on "models".

That means they pulled shit outta their a$$ to make their point.

It also talks a lot about a vax with 95% efficacy, which this one was well below that. Wanes into the negatives after a few months.

You really need to learn how to evaluate information. 

Find something current, as well. There's lots of current studies and datasets. We don't need modelling studies any more. We need RCTs.

Edited August 20, 2024 by Goddess