Killing of pre-born babies is murder and our governments support it

[Five of swords]

24 minutes ago, User said:

You can't even be honest enough to respond to what I said. 

I did not say aborting more of their babies... I said babies in general. What does aborting a baby in America or Canada have to do with a starving kid in Ethiopia? 

 

I don't believe that you are confused. And I am always honest. I could just repeat the point again that I have made a million times, that you always try to avoid. But I don't see why i should. Either address my point or give up. Stop trying to obfuscate. 

[User]

16 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

I don't believe that you are confused. And I am always honest. I could just repeat the point again that I have made a million times, that you always try to avoid. But I don't see why i should. Either address my point or give up. Stop trying to obfuscate. 

I see that you are unable to play your games anymore and are just going to avoid the question now. 

[Five of swords]

1 hour ago, User said:

I see that you are unable to play your games anymore and are just going to avoid the question now. 

No, the question was answered before you asked it. I made my point very clearly and if you need help understanding what I said, ask so.eone with average reading comprehension to help you. 

[User]

28 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

No, the question was answered before you asked it. I made my point very clearly and if you need help understanding what I said, ask so.eone with average reading comprehension to help you. 

The issue isn't a lack of understanding. It is that your position is absurd and you can't defend it. 

[Five of swords]

41 minutes ago, User said:

The issue isn't a lack of understanding. It is that your position is absurd and you can't defend it. 

Seriously, find a person of average intelligence to read the thread and explain to you my position. 

[User]

3 hours ago, Five of swords said:

Seriously, find a person of average intelligence to read the thread and explain to you my position. 

Seriously, your position isn't intelligent. 

[Yakuda]

On 8/8/2024 at 10:24 AM, Five of swords said:

Did you know that people feel pain when they cannot afford health care?

Only then? 

[Yakuda]

On 9/25/2024 at 10:58 AM, Five of swords said:

Why would they need to be stabbed? What if they just fall off a ladder?

 

If your ultimate goal Herr is some sort of jeremy benthem 'do the most goodness possible for the world' then I would think you would have different priorities.

 

Especially because the truth is, assuming scarcity is still a thing, (which is why money exists at all), then I don't think humans could possibly afford to provide for a new baby whenever sex happens. Some compromise would have to be made.

 

Are you interested in solving a problem? Or just signaling that you are ethicalenough to care about babies? (As if that is some rare quality)

So your position is killing a baby is "caring" for a baby. That's f'd up in the head. 

[Yakuda]

11 hours ago, User said:

Seriously, your position isn't intelligent. 

It's not intelligent but it is evil. That poster believes the solution to not being able to support all the babies that can be born from having sex is to kill them. When youre evil that sounds like an intelligent solution. 

[Five of swords]

22 hours ago, Yakuda said:

So your position is killing a baby is "caring" for a baby. That's f'd up in the head. 

My position is that if people decide they cannot have a baby because they cannot provide for it, then you have no solution for that problem.

 

I did not cause us to live in a world with finite resources. I merely notice and accept that I do.

 

If you want to blame somebody for forcing you to live in a world you are too soft to handle, then blame your parents. Maybe you should have been aborted.

[User]

On 9/28/2024 at 8:05 AM, Five of swords said:

My position is that if people decide they cannot have a baby because they cannot provide for it, then you have no solution for that problem.

Well, this was not your original position... but are you now saying parents should be able to kill their 5 year old child for the same reasons?

 

[Five of swords]

49 minutes ago, User said:

Well, this was not your original position... but are you now saying parents should be able to kill their 5 year old child for the same reasons?

 

This was my original position.

 

People have killed children for those reasons. In the middle ages this sort of thing was well known. Especially a disabled child. Sometimes, families simply didn't have a choice. There were not enough resources for everyone and they would leave a child in the woods to die of exposure. Royalty would also allow children to die, especially if it was the result of an illicit affair.

 

Basically in times of less prosperity, this sort of thing was also less illegal. Not because people were more evil but because they were more desperate. There simpy was not a good option available to them.

 

Likewise, in the usa, abortion is more prevalent among desperately poor people. It is easy for upper middle class snobs to judge such a thing as evil, but they don't seem to comprehend the simple consequences of how being poor can complicate decisions. Perhaps they like to pretend nobody in their country is poor. 

Edited September 29, 2024 by Five of swords

[User]

12 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

People have killed children for those reasons.

All of that long response and you didn't answer the question... 

[Five of swords]

4 hours ago, User said:

All of that long response and you didn't answer the question... 

Perhaps it did answer the question. If people have no choice but to do horrible things, then you just have to accept it.

But it does make sense to ask why people had no good option. Is it a failure of the state? For sure I have no doubt that people felt forced to kill their own children in the 'great leap forward' in mao's china...but you could certainly blame the state for that rather than those individuals...and you could then ask whether the juice was worth the squeeze. 

[User]

2 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

If people have no choice but to do horrible things, then you just have to accept it.

No, you didn't answer... but who determines if someone has no choice?

Every one of your arguments is just wish-washy, depraved nonsense. 

[Five of swords]

1 hour ago, User said:

No, you didn't answer... but who determines if someone has no choice?

Every one of your arguments is just wish-washy, depraved nonsense. 

So now you seem to be moving goal posts. You seem to accept the idea that people may not have a choice, but you want to pretend that you confronted me with the question of how you determine when this is the case or not, which you never mentioned. You combined that fallacy with ad hominid. You aren't very good at this.

Edited September 29, 2024 by Five of swords

[User]

4 hours ago, Five of swords said:

So now you seem to be moving goal posts. You seem to accept the idea that people may not have a choice, but you want to pretend that you confronted me with the question of how you determine when this is the case or not, which you never mentioned. You combined that fallacy with ad hominid. You aren't very good at this.

I am not the one moving goal posts here... I am just questioning whatever lame position you put up. 

I did not accept anything, I am challenging your position, getting to the depravity behind it. 

[Five of swords]

11 hours ago, User said:

I am not the one moving goal posts here... I am just questioning whatever lame position you put up. 

I did not accept anything, I am challenging your position, getting to the depravity behind it. 

I told you my position. It is very clear and simple. It is a fact...you can call it a tragic fact...that many people who get pregnant simply do not have the resources or the know how to provide for a child. In fact, from what I see, it seems most people are struggling to even take care of themselves.what do you expect those people to do? All you have to offer is 'well you cannot get an abortion because killing is wrong'. How useful is such an absolute? Would you also tell soldiers in the military that they cannot kill? You are simply putting people in an impossible situation.

 

Maybe you could at least attempt to find a realistic solution. You could say...people with less than a million dollars can't have sex. Well okay...not many people will be having sex under the age of 60, and there won't be much of a birth rate. Can the species survive this way? Lol, I have no idea. But at least that would be you attempting to solve the problem. As it stands, you offer nothing. And all I am telling you is that this is not going to work. Because it won't. And I didn't construct this reality you live in so it isn't my fault and it isn't my 'depravity' that made the world such.

[Yakuda]

On 9/28/2024 at 9:05 AM, Five of swords said:

My position is that if people decide they cannot have a baby because they cannot provide for it, then you have no solution for that problem.

 

I did not cause us to live in a world with finite resources. I merely notice and accept that I do.

 

If you want to blame somebody for forcing you to live in a world you are too soft to handle, then blame your parents. Maybe you should have been aborted.

Sure there is a solution but leftist mongrels destroyed it. 

Your intelligence is clearly finite as well 

This is a unique argument I'll give you that. Basically you're saying because resources are finite you should be able to terminate a life because you aren't responsible enough to control your behavior. I get it. Childish AND selfish. 

[User]

2 hours ago, Five of swords said:

I told you my position. It is very clear and simple. It is a fact...you can call it a tragic fact...that many people who get pregnant simply do not have the resources or the know how to provide for a child.

No, this is a new issue... but sure, lets try to play this one out. I mean, you run from and obfuscate every other argument path you have tried so far. 

So, as long as we can provide the resources needed, then you oppose abortion?

In the western world, we have a plethora of welfare programs to provide everything from housing, food, and medical care for children. So, abortions should be illegal only in cases to save the life of the mother. Right?

 

[Five of swords]

1 hour ago, User said:

No, this is a new issue... but sure, lets try to play this one out. I mean, you run from and obfuscate every other argument path you have tried so far. 

So, as long as we can provide the resources needed, then you oppose abortion?

In the western world, we have a plethora of welfare programs to provide everything from housing, food, and medical care for children. So, abortions should be illegal only in cases to save the life of the mother. Right?

 

So according to you, everyone in the western world does in fact have health care. Fyi, I dont.

[User]

1 hour ago, Five of swords said:

So according to you, everyone in the western world does in fact have health care. Fyi, I dont.

Are you a child? Where do you live?

What I said was that they have health care plans for children who need it, if not universal health care, even America has welfare plans for children in need. 

So... how many more excuses are you going to try to come up with to justify killing little unborn children?

 

[TreeBeard]

On 8/3/2024 at 9:14 PM, blackbird said:

Satan is laughing 

Who created Satan?

Edited October 1, 2024 by TreeBeard

[Yakuda]

On 10/1/2024 at 12:09 AM, TreeBeard said:

Who created Satan?

God created Lucifer, who through his own free will, separated himself from God. Evil is the absence of God. In other words Satan 

[TreeBeard]

3 hours ago, Yakuda said:

God created Lucifer, who through his own free will, separated himself from God. Evil is the absence of God. In other words Satan 

Then God is responsible to clean up His own mess   What kind of a$$hole creates evil when they could have chosen not to?