Canada should deport immigrants that illegally occupy, intimidate, and spout anti-Semitism

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

 

Presumably we've progressed somewhat in the last 80 years or so since we last turned refugees away because we hated them -  especially now that we can see where the consequences can lead.

That was a one-off deal. The Jews were persecuted at the worst time possible. The majority of North American Jews came from the Russian Empire during the pogroms and antisemitism there during the late 19th century up until WW1. By the 1930's most countries had drastically reduced immigration due to the Great Depression.  However, Jews, like many other groups, have always contributed to Canadian culture, and as a whole, have not brought their wars to their new homeland.

The Palestinians have a horrible track record of this. From personal experience, nearly all the Palestinian-Canadians I have met, hate Jews in general. They also,a s a collective, celebrated 9/11, and openly waved Palestinian flags from overpasses just a couple of hours after the October 7 massacre began.  Until these people can leave their wars and prejudice behind from where they came from, I am against any immigration from that part of the World.

What does it say, when even other Arab nations build walls, preventing Palestinians from entering their countries?

[Five of swords]

3 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

The US refused to give refuge to Jews, considering it was the Great Depression, and most countires had tightened their immigration quotas, especially to Jews. It had literally nothing to do with being "spies" as the persecution of Jews was well known to the Western World.   

Illegals are not "flooding" Canada. It's non-permanent residents that the Government has let in.

Well here https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/us-government-turned-away-thousands-jewish-refugees-fearing-they-were-nazi-spies-180957324/

3 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Actually, they have already published exact numbers. Canada has agreed to admit 5,000 Palestinian refugees, no more than that. No country is foolish to take in anywhere near 1,000,000 Palestinians.  99.9% of the Canadian population would be completely against a number over 50,000, and it would be political suicide to admit that many refugees, considering the backlash of admitting 2.3 million people to Canada since 2022.

So about as popular as forced integration of schools was in the US south.

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6 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Well here https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/us-government-turned-away-thousands-jewish-refugees-fearing-they-were-nazi-spies-180957324/

"Government officials from the State Department to the FBI to President Franklin Roosevelt himself argued that refugees posed a serious threat to national security. Yet today, historians believe that Bahr's case was practically unique—and the concern about refugee spies was blown far out of proportion."

The "official Government narrative" and the reality of the situation did not align. FDR and the US Government had knowledge of the Holocaust by 1942, and persecution of the Jews of Germany throughout the 30s.  There was even a movement to boycott the 1936 Olympics in Berlin.

The Government did not want to say that they did not care about the plight of the German Jews. Feeding the press the "spies" narrative, was easier to accept on moral grounds.

Edited July 22, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[Five of swords]

6 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

"Government officials from the State Department to the FBI to President Franklin Roosevelt himself argued that refugees posed a serious threat to national security. Yet today, historians believe that Bahr's case was practically unique—and the concern about refugee spies was blown far out of proportion."

The "official Government narrative" and the reality of the situation did not align. FDR and the US Government had knowledge of the Holocaust by 1942, and persecution of the Jews of Germany throughout the 30s.  There was even a movement to boycott the 1936 Olympics in Berlin.

The Government did not want to say that they did not care about the plight of the German Jews. Feeding the press the "spies" narrative, was easier to accept on moral grounds.

There was no knowledge of the holocaust in 1942, according to the official history. You seem to get a lot of things wrong.

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22 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

So about as popular as forced integration of schools was in the US south.

Worst.

Comparison.

Ever.

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15 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

There was no knowledge of the holocaust in 1942, according to the official history. You seem to get a lot of things wrong.

 

From the July 2, 1942 edition of the New York Times:

https://www.nytimes.com/1942/07/02/archives/allies-are-urged-to-execute-nazis-report-on-slaughter-of-jews-in.html

from November 25, 1942:

https://www.nytimes.com/1942/11/25/archives/himmler-program-kills-polish-jews-slaughter-of-250000-in-plan-to.html

From December 18, 1942:

https://www.nytimes.com/1942/12/18/archives/11-allies-condemn-nazi-war-on-jews-united-nations-issue-joint.html

Your hatred of Jews hinders your ability to debate properly.

Edited July 22, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[Five of swords]

1 minute ago, DUI_Offender said:

Worst.

Comparison.

Ever.

Well it is well known that public opinion had never informed public policy in any 'democracy'. 

[Five of swords]

1 minute ago, DUI_Offender said:

 

From the July 2, 1942 edition of the New York Times:

https://www.nytimes.com/1942/07/02/archives/allies-are-urged-to-execute-nazis-report-on-slaughter-of-jews-in.html

 

Your hatred of Jews hinders your ability to debate properly.

It isn't open to debate. The allies had no knowledge of the holocaust until after 1945. This is just a fact. The polish resistance made claims earlier? Okay...no contradiction.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, PIK said:

You and I and everyone else had nothing to do with it. It's been going on forever. 

It'll keep going on forever too with that attitude.

 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

That was a one-off deal.

Perpetrated by Canadian institutions that we're still responsible for.

The purpose for having official institutions is to maintain our country's values and carry them forward into the future - as such they also carry our liabilities.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

What does it say, when even other Arab nations build walls, preventing Palestinians from entering their countries?

They hate refugees for the same reason we did.

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30 minutes ago, eyeball said:

They hate refugees for the same reason we did.

That's strange. Canada has been very welcoming of the 250,000+ Ukrainian refugees. 

 

Let's just come right out and say it- some ethnic groups are more compatible with the Canadian way of life and values, than others. 

Edited July 22, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[eyeball]

29 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

That's strange. Canada has been very welcoming of the 250,000+ Ukrainian refugees.

Like I said we've made progress.

29 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Let's just come right out and say it- some ethnic groups are more compatible with the Canadian way of life and values, than others. 

Okay but so what? It has nothing to do with being liable for things.

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Like I said we've made progress.

I hate to break this to you, but it's pretty much always been this way with certain groups. Ukrainians were welcomed over 100 years ago, when they helped settle the prairies by moving on to farms, and doing agriculture work.

Edited July 22, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

I hate to break this to you, but it's pretty much always been this way with certain groups.

Sure, but not every group and sometimes that produces bad consequences.

You seem to think we can just wash our hands of them and pretend they're someone else's problem. Which is exactly how we got here in the first place.

Somethings never change.

[blackbird]

Reportedly a Canadian tried to attack Israel security forces in Israel near the Gaza border with a knife and was shot dead.

This raises a lot of questions as to who this guy was, how he became a Canadian, what he was doing there, was he a Hamas militant, and his connection with Gaza and Canada.  It also raises questions about how people immigrating from Gaza to Canada are screened.  Is it even possible to determine their beliefs, past history, and connections to terrorist organizations?

Edited July 22, 2024 by blackbird

[PIK]

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

It'll keep going on forever too with that attitude.

 

It is going to end,once hamas is eliminated and Iran is neutered. 

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Sure, but not every group and sometimes that produces bad consequences.

You seem to think we can just wash our hands of them and pretend they're someone else's problem. Which is exactly how we got here in the first place.

Somethings never change.

 

Nope.

I'm just countering your false belief that human beings have "progressed" in the last century. 

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12 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Nope.

I'm just countering your false belief that human beings have "progressed" in the last century. 

There's been no progress whatsoever?

1924 was the pinnacle of human achievement? Seriously?

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4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

There's been no progress whatsoever?

1924 was the pinnacle of human achievement? Seriously?

No progress.

Look at the US right now. 1/2 the population is going to vote for Trump. 

Do you really think we are better off than 25 years ago when most adults in N America did not have access to cell phones or the internet,  let alone lsocial media.

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13 minutes ago, eyeball said:

There's been no progress whatsoever?

1924 was the pinnacle of human achievement? Seriously?

Any talk of human progress were undone by the discovery of the death camps, and the murder of 25 million civilians in WW2.

 

Although we have committed more genocides against each other in the last 50 years than any time before,  so if that  is progress I don't know what to tell you 

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14 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

No progress.

Look at the US right now. 1/2 the population is going to vote for Trump.

The other half aren't and now they have the 1st Black/Asian woman to consider voting for.

We stumble now and then but progress is usually a case of two steps forward and 1 back.

7 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Any talk of human progress were undone by the discovery of the death camps, and the murder of 25 million civilians in WW2.

Although we have committed more genocides against each other in the last 50 years than any time before,  so if that  is progress I don't know what to tell you 

Maybe try listening for a change.

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2 hours ago, eyeball said:

The other half aren't and now they have the 1st Black/Asian woman to consider voting for.

That's not a positive.  See Clinton,  Hillary. 

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

We stumble now and then but progress is usually a case of two steps forward and 1 back.

lol...that explains the current state of the World.

 

All we are, is a bunch of Apes that are too intelligent (and selfish), for our own good.

Edited July 22, 2024 by DUI_Offender

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2 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

All we are, is a bunch of Apes that are too intelligent (and selfish), for our own good.

That's why we need to progress away from our own selfishness and towards everyone's good.

From each according to their ability and to each according to their need is something even Neanderthals likely grokked.

[blackbird]

I am not holding my breath for Trudeau or the Liberals to change the immigrations laws or number of people coming in or to deport those that commit crimes or cause a lot of trouble.  Liberals are only looking a possible votes.

LILLEY: Trudeau fails to deal with out-of-control immigration (msn.com)