Make your prediction: How long until JD Vance has falling out with Trump?

[CouchPotato]

On 7/28/2024 at 3:49 PM, Matthew said:

Yep so now that we're all primed to compare age and mental faculties thanks to trump, trump now gets to be on the receiving end of those comparisons.

After watching some videos of Kamala, I seriously question her mental faculties. The lady sounds like she is on drugs sometimes. You don't talk like that just because you are ditsy.

Edited July 30, 2024 by CouchPotato

[CdnFox]

58 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

After watching some videos of Kamala, I seriously question her mental faculties. The lady sounds like she is on drugs sometimes. You don't talk like that just because you are ditsy.

I think she's just reached peak-ditz.  But yeah, the more they see her the less comfortable that people will be with her. 

She seems to be moving towards this odd tactic of claiming trump is 'weird'. First off - that really doesn't scare anyone, some of our culture's greatest figures were weird, and second damn woman have you listened to yourself?

[Nationalist]

Ahhh...the Libbie celebration of having a semi-candidate that can tell you what city she's in, is winding down.

Kamala is now stealing Brandon's thunder with the SCOTUS packing bill...which is DOA. The Libbies are scrambling to make this 2-bit political whore look relevant and strong. But the more they try, the more Kamala's nature eeks out and the more people realize that...indeed...she's nothing more than a 2-bit political whore. 

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Ahhh...the Libbie celebration of having a semi-candidate that can tell you what city she's in, is winding down.

Kamala is now stealing Brandon's thunder with the SCOTUS packing bill...which is DOA. The Libbies are scrambling to make this 2-bit political whore look relevant and strong. But the more they try, the more Kamala's nature eeks out and the more people realize that...indeed...she's nothing more than a 2-bit political whore. 

She will never be more popular than she is when people dont' really know who she is. 

[WestCanMan]

21 hours ago, Matthew said:

Joe Biden is irrelevant to the issue of Donald Trump being an elderly man in decline.

Trump isn't "an elderly man in decline".

In 2020 Biden was hiding in his basement, only giving 20-minute pre-recorded statements, and was never available for media scrums. 

In 2024, Trump has a busy schedule and he's going around the country doing live 90-minute+ rallies in front of tens of thousands of people. 

If you had to guess, what do you think would be easier: hiding in your basement and just doing 20-minute videos, or touring the country doing 90-minute rallies, sometimes multiple per day?

And Trump makes less gaffes and tells less lies in 90 minutes live than bidud  does in 20 minutes.

Comparing Trump in 2024 to Biden in 2020 is like comparing a 2022 Toyota Highlander to a 1974 Lada. One is still good to go for several years, one is already completely shot.

[Nationalist]

43 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

She will never be more popular than she is when people dont' really know who she is. 

This is true. The more they see and hear...the less they like her.

[Matthew]

21 hours ago, User said:

You literally said just because he was not as bad... in a comparison with Biden. 

I was quoting you lol. Trump is old and mentally declining all by himself without any help from Biden.

[User]

2 minutes ago, Matthew said:

I was quoting you lol. Trump is old and mentally declining all by himself without any help from Biden.

No, you were not. You keep focusing on a vague "old" argument when that isn't what the complaint was about Biden. 

"old" is subjective. Sure they are old... the issue is that Biden is suffering from an obvious mental and physical decline due to his being old. 

No, Trump is not exhibiting any of the same kinds of symptoms Biden was. This was quite evident from the debate they had, which triggered the epic coup in the Democratic party to oust Biden. 

 

[Matthew]

15 minutes ago, User said:

Trump is not exhibiting any of the same kinds of symptoms Biden was.

In your imagination, why would this comparison to Biden that you keep trying to push matter to voters in the 2024 election?

[User]

3 minutes ago, Matthew said:

In your imagination, why would this comparison to Biden that you keep trying to push matter to voters in the 2024 election?

You were the one making the argument here about being too old (age)... I am just pointing out all the flaws in it. 

[Matthew]

4 minutes ago, User said:

You were the one making the argument here about being too old

Nope.

4 minutes ago, User said:

I am just pointing out all the flaws in it. 

You're not doing that.

 

To refersh your memory. Hodad made the point that Vance as VP is all the more concerning to a president who would be old and unhealthy. You replied with an irrelevant comparison to biden being worse.

[User]

20 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Nope.

This you?
"So now that's been the main issue for years, and biden is out, we're left with suddenly old af trump with unhinged tirades about sharks and other old man nonsense."
 

21 minutes ago, Matthew said:

You replied with an irrelevant comparison to biden being worse.

I believe I pointed out that now that Biden is out, folks like him are pretending to care about how old someone is and I have continued to make the very relevant distinction that it is not the mere fact that Biden was old that was the problem. 
 

[Matthew]

36 minutes ago, User said:

This you?
"So now that's been the main issue for years, and biden is out, we're left with suddenly old af trump with unhinged tirades about sharks and other old man nonsense."

Correct, and as you can see the argument in that statement is about WHY the focus is on trumps age now.

Alrhough for the record, Trump is too old, Biden is too old, chuck grassly is too old, Nancy Pelosi is too old, chuck schumer is too old, Mitch McConnell is too old, etc.

42 minutes ago, User said:

folks like him are pretending to care about how old

Its still a dumb point though. Like *shaking fist in the air* "Why didn't you say you cared about the candidates age back when both candidates were super ancient?!"

[CouchPotato]

9 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Its still a dumb point though. Like *shaking fist in the air* "Why didn't you say you cared about the candidates age back when both candidates were super ancient?!"

Biden has dementia. It's been obvious for 3 years now. We didn't care that he was slightly older. He couldn't even leave his basement last time around. Trump does rallies all the time. Got shot at one even. Guy seems to be pretty healthy.

 

Edited July 30, 2024 by CouchPotato

[User]

6 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Correct,

Yes, you were and continued to push the argument about Trump being old... after you just tried to claim "nope" you were not... 

7 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Alrhough for the record, Trump is too old, Biden is too old, chuck grassly is too old, Nancy Pelosi is too old, chuck schumer is too old, Mitch McConnell is too old, etc.

Again, for the record, the issue with Biden was not just that he was merely old. Now that he is out, you guys care about age. As I asked you before... where were your complaints on this forum about Biden's age BEFORE he dropped out?

8 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Its still a dumb point though. Like *shaking fist in the air* "Why didn't you say you cared about the candidates age back when both candidates were super ancient?!"

It is not a dumb point at all to show that you don't really care about how old these candidates are until it is politically advantageous for you. 

[Matthew]

4 minutes ago, User said:

you don't really care about how old these candidates are until it is politically advantageous for you

Nah, polls showed that a super high percentage of democrats (like 80%) thought biden was too old, including myself and everyone I know. He's been an ok president (I give him a B-) but he was never in my top 50 of possible democrat party candidates.

If what you mean is that i don't care enough about age to vote for Donald trump, that is absolutely true. I have voted for republicans on multiple occasions. But I would vote for jar of pickles over that guy.

[User]

5 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Nah, polls showed that a super high percentage of democrats (like 80%) thought biden was too old, including myself and everyone I know. He's been an ok president (I give him a B-) but he was never in my top 50 of possible democrat party candidates.

Yeah. A poll doesn't negate your own behavior here or that of the others on the left. Also, folks can think Biden was too old... but not in any meaningful way, as they were still going to support him and still did support him the first time. 

Until he dropped out though, folks like Hodad and you, were certainly not voicing those concerns about being too old. 

7 minutes ago, Matthew said:

If what you mean is that i don't care enough about age to vote for Donald trump, that is absolutely true. I have voted for republicans on multiple occasions. But I would vote for jar of pickles over that guy.

No, what I mean is that this is a cheap and obviously partisan talking point that also ignores the real problem with Biden. 

[Matthew]

5 minutes ago, User said:

Until he dropped out though, folks like Hodad and you, were certainly not voicing those concerns about being too old. 

I still haven't, except here in response to your own unsolicited thoughts on the subject. Donald Trump's aging decline is way down on the list of his major flaws as a political leader.

Edited July 30, 2024 by Matthew

[User]

3 minutes ago, Matthew said:

I still haven't, except here in response to your own unsolicited thoughts on the subject. Donald Trump's aging decline is way down on the list of his major flaws as a political leader.

Yes, you have. The fact that it was in response to me, doesn't change that you have in fact been making an issue of his age. 

You just did again as you said it was way down on the list of his major flaws... 

[CdnFox]

49 minutes ago, Matthew said:

Nah, polls showed that a super high percentage of democrats (like 80%) thought biden was too old

By old they meant demented. 

Sorry, but that's the way it is. 

[WestCanMan]

17 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

I think Chrissy1979 is right here overall, though. If I were Trump I wouldn't bring this up. He has lots to attack her on without having to get dirty, and it happened 20 years ago or so. He just has to hammer her on the border, the economy, etc. She has no good answers for that, and she babbles when she is asked about it. Whenever they got dirty on Trump it just made him more popular.

You make a good point: there is enough policy failure, VP appointment failure, dark prosecutorial history, and riot-support/bail fund pimping to nail her to the cross on... but just remember that after the debate is over, fact-checkers are just gonna say:

• "Those were all lies: she's a beautiful woman of colour and it's racist for anyone to even suggest any of those things just on the basis of her gender and race. She wasn't really the 'border czar', but she only almost had that post for 18 months (it doesn't have to make sense lol), she didn't personally pay any money into the bail fund, she didn't know that prisoners were kept in her jails after their terms to work like slaves, it wasn't such a big deal that she disallowed the admission of exculpatory evidence against a death-row inmate", etc.

They already say all those things are lies, despite the fact they're not.

It's actually a really big deal that she was a 29-yr-old who was sleeping with a 60-yr-old who was giving her lucrative political appointments. Huge.

 

Vance: "I had to get elected to start receiving money from the gov't. When Kamala was 29 she slept with 1 old man and got 2 high-paying gigs."

[CouchPotato]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

You make a good point: there is enough policy failure, VP appointment failure, dark prosecutorial history, and riot-support/bail fund pimping to nail her to the cross on... but just remember that after the debate is over, fact-checkers are just gonna say:

• "Those were all lies: she's a beautiful woman of colour and it's racist for anyone to even suggest any of those things just on the basis of her gender and race. She wasn't really the 'border czar', but she only almost had that post for 18 months (it doesn't have to make sense lol), she didn't personally pay any money into the bail fund, she didn't know that prisoners were kept in her jails after their terms to work like slaves, it wasn't such a big deal that she disallowed the admission of exculpatory evidence against a death-row inmate", etc.

They already say all those things are lies, despite the fact they're not.

 

Yes, they will do that. But I think that the economy speaks for itself. People feel it. And if you level a personal attack about a relationship 20 years ago, you not only risk looking very cheap -- The media will do the exact same thing and spin it the way they like. She is a wonderful person. This was a loving relationship. How dare Trump attack her on something like this?

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, CouchPotato said:

Yes, they will do that. But I think that the economy speaks for itself. People feel it. And if you level a personal attack about a relationship 20 years ago, you not only risk looking very cheap --

It's not really "20 years ago" as much as it's just "vile". 

If it was 1 appointment you could make a case that she had specific skills to be elite in one area, but it was two unrelated positions: the California Medical Assistance Commission and the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board.

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The media will do the exact same thing and spin it the way they like. She is a wonderful person. This was a loving relationship. How dare Trump attack her on something like this?

It wasn't a loving relationship lol. He loved younger women and she loved money.They both loved what they got out of that relationship but they didn't love each other.

[CouchPotato]

24 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It's not really "20 years ago" as much as it's just "vile". 

If it was 1 appointment you could make a case that she had specific skills to be elite in one area, but it was two unrelated positions: the California Medical Assistance Commission and the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board.

It wasn't a loving relationship lol. He loved younger women and she loved money.They both loved what they got out of that relationship but they didn't love each other.

I am not saying it's a loving relationship. I am saying if they can spin the other stuff, they can spin that. It's a bad look. You call a woman a skank, and they have a lot more ammo to turn her into a victim than if you attack her on the issues.

Trump is doing well enough. Nobody cares who he slept with. I'd imagine Trump had some help getting women specifically because he has money. People are not going to care that much about Kamala. Politicians having scandalous behavior isn't a shocker, especially if it's not affecting people now.

Edited July 31, 2024 by CouchPotato

[WestCanMan]

29 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

I am not saying it's a loving relationship. I am saying if they can spin the other stuff, they can spin that. It's a bad look. You call a woman a skank, and they have a lot more ammo to turn her into a victim than if you attack her on the issues.

It's a great retort to "Trump slept with a porn star".

Keep in mind, women don't want to compete with other women who sleep around to get what they want. They're not on Kamala's side when it comes to this. She DID sleep her way to the top. 

Old creepy dude: "Wanna land a movie role, toots? Just strip down to your bra and panties and put your hands on that desk. If you don't want to do it, there are twenty other girls who will."

What's feminism about if not putting an end to ^that^? Kamala was that girl. There were a lot of people in California who were more qualified for those positions than she was. A lot. Her best qualifications were her bodily orifices. 

"Medical Assistance Commission"? How about an actuary, or a doctor, or a physiotherapist, or a kinesiologist, or a psychiatrist, or a pharmacist, or a claims adjuster? WTF does being a prosecutor have to do with a Medical Assistance Commission?

"Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board"? How about someone from a trades school, or someone who worked in that dept for 20 years and had a good record for placing applicants in jobs? What is it about that position that suggests "A prosecutor would be perfect for that job"? FYI with a lawyer, chances are that you're looking at a person who was raised with a silver spoon in their mouth, and never did a day's hard labour in their lives... And in this instance, you'd be correct: her father was a professor at Stanford. 

Edited July 31, 2024 by WestCanMan